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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 1:02 pm

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England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

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Post by hampo17 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:30 pm

I can see your point KP but you get bad decisions in cricket and you get good luck. If you walk 10 times a season for edges behind you can guarantee you'll get more bad decisions. Things like that don't even themselves out.

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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:31 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I think Broad should have walked.. But well he hasnt... so

Never walk against Australia , roakey Smile 

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Post by Gerry SA Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:31 pm

Aleem Dar joining forces with Asad Rauf?

Dreadful umpiring

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:31 pm

Broad for a 98 Whistle

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Post by JDizzle Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:32 pm

I don't walk. I respect people who do, but it's the umpires job to make a decision so I let him do that. As long as you don't complain when you are given out when you haven't hit it then I have no problem with not walking.

It's decisions like that that add creedence to letting the thrid umpire be in charge of the DRS. Because that is what is what brought into changem howlers like that.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:33 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Broad should have walked...unbelievable lack of cricketing spirit here

I've never believed in walking. Let the umpire do his job. If he makes a howler, use one of your reviews. Don't waste your reviews either.

marginal cases OK
thick edge to first slip......pretending he didn't know he was out..is just unbelievable
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:34 pm

they were happy to ask for Trott to go when he hit a ball. It evens out.

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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:34 pm

Never walk in professional cricket full stop. The bowlers ain't gonna invite you back in to bat again if you get a stinker the other way so don't be giving yourself out.

It wasn't an edge to first slip either KP, came off the keepers gloves.

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Post by hampo17 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:35 pm

Only went to first slip because of Haddens glove.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:35 pm

hampo171 wrote:I can see your point KP but you get bad decisions in cricket and you get good luck. If you walk 10 times a season for edges behind you can guarantee you'll get more bad decisions. Things like that don't even themselves out.

there is diffrence between marginal lbws/ bat pads/ feather nicks...........where you can pretend that you didnpt know
thick edge ot first slip.....unbelivable betrayal of spirit of cricket
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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:36 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Broad should have walked...unbelievable lack of cricketing spirit here

I've never believed in walking. Let the umpire do his job. If he makes a howler, use one of your reviews. Don't waste your reviews either.

marginal cases OK
thick edge to first slip......pretending he didn't know he was out..is just unbelievable

DRS is there for howlers, such as that one. Clarke wasted his on two, well techinically three, speculative appeals. Not what DRS is meant for. England and Australia are now even for Steve Waugh not walking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poVMqALM7Rg

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Post by JDizzle Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:36 pm

He didn't edge it to first slip KPF. He edged it to Haddin who palmed it to first slip.

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Post by liverbnz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

It was NOT an edge to first slip.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

I suppose KP_fan doesn't like Broad at the best of times. Whistle 

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

I do agree with KP tbh. i would have walked, minor knick never- because it may not have even happened. but that was to blatent.

However I am also happy he didnt walk. because no one would walk against us and that is the sad truth of pro sport these days

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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

Every team appeal for LBW and then don't review meaning they clearly didn't think it was out in the first place. Are they cheating by appealing?

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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHw3fdhFo4

I suppose this Indian chap should have walked as well, right kp_fan?

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

He should have walked, no doubt about it.
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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:40 pm

My opinion of Nasser increases yet further. Honesty to go with wit and intelligence now. I just wish Warne was on...........

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Post by Scarpia Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:42 pm

I think it was the Ozzies under Chappel who first started the trend to not walk.

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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:44 pm

Amazed the umpire missed that. Presume Broad didn't really expect to get away with it ...but hardly going to 'fess up after he is given not out.

Aussies probably won't clap his fifty Smile 

Can't feel too sorry for them though : I have been living and playing here for years , and none of the b......s ever walk off my bowling...

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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

Lead up to 242 right now. Cook and KP remained unbeaten through the evening yesterday, can Bell and Broad (*cough*) do the same?

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:45 pm

Hibbz- How would you feel if a golfer got away with moving a ball , not penalising himself, signing the card and still winning an event?

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:46 pm

That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:47 pm

GSC wrote:That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.

 Make your mind up..(I cant either tbh)

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:48 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
GSC wrote:That said, Broad is entitled to stand his ground and wait to be given out.

 Make your mind up..(I cant either tbh)

Oh I'm fully in the camp of he should've walked. Just hes hardly breaking rules to do so.
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Post by JDizzle Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:48 pm

I remember Clarke punching it up in the air in Adelaide last time off KP and not walking. Difference was England hadn't wasted their reviews.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:49 pm

"People have 'not walked' since the game began."

I think they have mate!

but yes offcourse no one should or will get banned for it- It is the normal thing to do (not to be confused with right thing to do)

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Post by JDizzle Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

I want to hear Athers view on this.
'When in Rome, dear boy.'

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm

2 wrongs don't make a right, but England have been on the end of some 'harsh' umpiring decisions (with the aid of technology) recently.
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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:51 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Hibbz- How would you feel if a golfer got away with moving a ball , not penalising himself, signing the card and still winning an event?

If they were all at it and the consensus was you do what you can get away with as in cricket and it was a professional event I'd have no issue. The fact that few if any cheat makes it a level playing field in golf and nobody is at a disadvantage by being honest.

You ever avoid paying any business taxes Mysti?

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:51 pm

mystiroakey wrote:"People have 'not walked' since the game began."

I think they have mate!


That's what I'm saying.
Nicking it and not walking is nothing new.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:51 pm

Oh and something's just struck me. In the last Ashes series, I think it was Adelaide, Clarke edged the ball, just as much as Broad did, it was a huge inside edge, onto his thigh and it ricocheted to short leg where a catch was taken. He didn't walk, and the umpire somehow missed it. The difference? England didn't waste their review, and utilised it successfully. No fuss with that one.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:52 pm

I pay to much much corp tax mate- I just skimp on NI like most small business owners do..

To be honest I probally pay more than Starbucks do

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:55 pm

The rate has slowed right down..

but we are not budging

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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:56 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I pay to much much corp tax mate- I just skimp on NI like most small business owners do..

To be honest I probally pay more than Starbucks do

Precisely, you do it because everybody else does, you can get away with it and to not would put you at a disadvantage in your profession.

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

In the same vein, without a generous 3rd umpire call, Australias deficit would be closer to 350 right now.
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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:58 pm

England settling for the close
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm

Come on bell get your Ton!!

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Post by Gerry SA Fri 12 Jul 2013, 5:59 pm

You know the pitch is dead when mental midget Bell is approaching a 100...

It's not like him to normally show any bottle.

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:01 pm

Something tells me 'The Broad Appeal' won't be receiving many donations Down Under
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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

Anyway, this series was a bit too nice for an Ashes test anyway. Now Siddle needs to lamp someone
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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

I must say its nice Broad seems to have rediscovered how to bat
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Post by hampo17 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:07 pm

Try to keep this one friendly guys.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:09 pm

Lead past 250, England rocking. Fabulous partnership between these 2 to take the game (hopefully) beyond the Aussies.

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:10 pm

Aye.

Will Agars 98 keep him in the side? Hasn't really looked the part when bowling.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:10 pm

Very good lead this one from the position we were in. I do feel its been a bit marred by the broad incident. But I will get over it Smile

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Post by Gerry SA Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:11 pm

Nothing in the pitch

Clarke will smash 150* insult removed-BB

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Post by Biltong Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:11 pm

Ok, I have cleaned up, GerrySA, please contribute in a positive manner, no need to use derogatory terms and insults to the English players.

Other guys, you know where the report button is, no need to escalate things.

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Post by GSC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:11 pm

Lead past 250. You'd figure with Swann out the rough, and Anderson and Finn having had a rest they've got a pretty competitive score. Anything over 300 will be very tough for Australia, so they'll need to blow the last 4 away sharpish tomorrow.
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