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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

New ball taken-- can they utilse it.. Starc got two very lucky wickets to start this innings with the new- I doubt he will get that again..

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Post by Scrumpy Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

mystiroakey wrote:oh come on knee jerk- root stays on top. he had a 30 first innings- thrid highest score and wasnt even out this innings..

Root will come good- V good

Was it not a knee jerk reaction to drop Compton?
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

compo had a lot longer than two innings Scrumpy!!

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

Prior obviously doesn't.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:31 pm

Keep it going Bell. Fight it out mate. Be the hero and us naysayers will live you alone for a week or two

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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:32 pm

Will be surprised if the selectors would make a knee jerk reversal of the change they had only just made !
One can argue they might have been wiser to start with Compton opening etc ; but having put Root up to the top they are unlikely to abandon the idea after one game.
Recent patterns suggest they will probably take the same team to Lord's whatever the result here , fitness permitting.

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Post by kingraf Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:33 pm

I generally dont believe in cricketing superstitions, LB, except for stepping onto a ground with my right foot...
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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:35 pm

Need these 2 survive until tea at least, then im becoming more confident.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:35 pm

alfie wrote:Will be surprised if the selectors would make a knee jerk reversal of the change they had only just made !  
One can argue they might have been wiser to start with Compton opening etc ; but having put Root up to the top they are unlikely to abandon the idea after one game.
Recent patterns suggest they will probably take the same team to Lord's whatever the result here , fitness permitting.
and given Lords and the Aussie record come out 2-0 down sadly.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:36 pm

kingraf wrote:Duty is an absolute superstar. Cheerleader par excellence. Probably eats an English breakfast every day, in his Union Jack boxers, watching replays of the '66 world cup...        

he is my favourite poster here OK
every nation needs die-hards like him
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:37 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Need these 2 survive until tea at least, then im becoming more confident.

if it was aussie batting then 250 might be enough but the young genius adds a ton to what you need.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:37 pm

Ian Bell Bell Bell. Ian Bell Bell Bell

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Post by Hibbz Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:37 pm

How many do people think Bell has to get for us to declare him a hero?

Obviously if he gets out before say 50 he's still crap, 50-75 then I guess he'll get credit for a good innings, 75-100 do we accept him for a couple more matches but 100+ and England win does he become an Ashes hero?

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Post by Scrumpy Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:37 pm

To be fair if it wasn't for the 3rd umpire Eng would be out of sight by now.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

I am actuallly suprised with Duty in this match. He got all pessimistic during wimbledon. Couldnt figure it out.

Glad to see him back in his element

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

Hibbz wrote:How many do people think Bell has to get for us to declare him a hero?

Obviously if he gets out before say 50 he's still crap, 50-75 then I guess he'll get credit for a good innings, 75-100 do we accept him for a couple more matches but 100+ and England win does he become an Ashes hero?

 100 and he becomes a hero - but only for a week ..

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:41 pm

Hopefully Prior bats well into the evening session
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Post by JDizzle Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:41 pm

New ball not really swinging for Starc. Chance for England and Prior to press on here with the harder ball!

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Post by Scrumpy Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

Aus should have stuck with the old ball!
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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:43 pm

Nah , trebs...even if Australia win the first Test this England team will be confident of rebounding in the remaining matches.

Australia are still on top here , and may well close this match out ; but I have not seen anything to suggest they are actually a superior team. Their advantage comes almost entirely from one swashbuckling partnership...

Anyway the 200 has arrived courtesy of a Prior boundary so perhaps there is still life in this game Fingers Crossed 

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:45 pm

no I will agree on that one alfie. Without the boys wonder innings this would be totally the other way. He might just paper over Aussie cracks that won't help them in the future.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:48 pm

I'm now not postiong on the match position for fear of the mockers...

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:49 pm

Aus are 100% rebuilding. deep down I am sure the next 3 series(including this one) is more about finding balance and a plan over wins..

obviously they are aussies and want to win. But realistically I think they were too disjointed before this and they have some great matches coming up to find themselves..

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:50 pm

England lead by 131, so to set a total of 250, we need Bell to get 70, Prior to get 50, then Swann/Broad/Finn/Anderson to add 50 between them.

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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:51 pm

I see I was a bit hasty with my 200 call...they changed the scoreboard too quickly Smile 

This is a real battle for England ...when is the last time they were still shy of 200 in the eighty eighth over ?

Perhaps suggests Australia might find a fourth innings chase harder than we are all assuming ?

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:52 pm

120 runs from here on should really be a  minimum, but this is england that love a collapse at this point

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:55 pm

Our collapses are bigger than yours, mysti. Wink
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:56 pm

I wouldnt call your last innings a collapse LB!!

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

You're aussie.. just better by divine right.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

mystiroakey wrote:120 runs from here on should really be a  minimum, but this is england that love a collapse at this point

Myst

That's been the issue with England in the last couple of years - could be all out for 60 more or Bell and Prior could add a couple of hundred in reasonable time. 3 or 4 years ago we'd have found a way to get the runs (even if it relied on Broad and Swann), but I just don't have faith in their ability to do this any more.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:58 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I wouldnt call your last innings a collapse LB!!

It was until Skippy the wonder boy transformed world cricket in an hour.

Dummy, definitely, in the time around and before the last Ashes we were a very good side. Very much in decline now as the young players just aren't at the same level. Not yet anyway.

I think Root will be, not sure JB ever will.


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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:58 pm

mystiroakey wrote:I wouldnt call your last innings a collapse LB!!

 5 for 9? Doesn't get much better than that.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:59 pm

I feel the same Dummy. Its a lottery at this point, no faith in the batting at middle order

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 2:59 pm

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mystiroakey wrote:I wouldnt call your last innings a collapse LB!!

 5 for 9? Doesn't get much better than that.

 then 170 for 1 Whistle

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:01 pm

Blame DRS/3rd umpire for that. Whistle

Prior looking so settled. C'mon Sidds... some chin music please.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:02 pm

Well regarding collapse England lost their last 4 wickets for just 2 runs and Aussies were never upto the mark in the first innings leaving the last partnership. Still 100 more runs and chase would be difficult for Australia.
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:04 pm

Prior naughty slash.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:06 pm

The Beeb put up a stat yesterday, that there have only been 3 occasions in test cricket where the 10th wicket partnershp has more than doubled the score. Obviously, Hughes and Agar did, and one of the other cases was the Aussies recently going from 21-9 to 47 (iirc).

The third case was the unlikely partnership of Peter Willey and Bob Willis putting on well over 100 between them. Now, I know PW was a decent all rounder, but big Bob's batting is most fondly remembered for his coming on to the field minus a bat - the way he used it, many would argue it wouldn't make much difference. So the fact (sorry FACT ) that he was involved in a century stand in a Test has to be one of cricket's biggest surprises.


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Post by mystiroakey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:08 pm

Agar is a batsman- he looked to good not to be. So more of an error in position over a freak result for me.. He will never do it again. But that is because he will never bat last again

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:10 pm

He may well do it again but not at No. 11. Talk of him batting 7 or 8 (next Test)
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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:14 pm

Remember that one , dummy...secured a fighting draw against a very strong West Indian outfit ...Bob was actually surprisingly hard to get out sometimes : put the big foot down the wicket and and prodded...

He had the most not outs in Test history when he retired , I believe.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

Linebreaker wrote:He may well do it again but not at No. 11. Talk of him batting 7 or 8 (next Test)

Second innings , lb ?

Or don't you think you'll need him ? Whistle 

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Agar is a batsman- he looked to good not to be. So more of an error in position over a freak result for me.. He will never do it again. But that is because he will never bat last again

and they will plan and prepare for him. His real test starts from now.

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Post by dummy_half Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:18 pm

alfie wrote:Remember that one , dummy...secured a fighting draw against a very strong West Indian outfit ...Bob was actually surprisingly hard to get out sometimes : put the big foot down the wicket and and prodded...

He had the most not outs in Test history when he retired , I believe.

I remember Willis only had one attacking shot - an attempted cover drive that went through midwicket off the inside edge...

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:18 pm

prior fails and it's game over.

frustrating game.  agar aside this could have been a reasonable total but it isn't and they've been hammered.

I really do fear they won't bounce back from this, feels like one of "those" moments that starts the aussies being all over England for decades.

England need players who don't gift wickerts and who apply themselves. feels like they need a total reshuffle or new coaching.

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:19 pm

Trebs your logic astounds me. Australia struggled to 117-9 and you think a target that's currently 153-6 is 'game over'? Madness.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:20 pm

alfie wrote:
Linebreaker wrote:He may well do it again but not at No. 11. Talk of him batting 7 or 8 (next Test)

Second innings , lb ?

Or don't you think you'll need him ? Whistle 

 ha ha. We need all batsmen to take a leaf out his book if possible. Many are struggling to overcome psychological problems with their batting. We just need one or two to click but tbh I'll believe it when I see it. Cowan needs to score runs... so too Watto and Clarke.
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Post by alfie Fri 12 Jul 2013, 3:21 pm

Prior pretty well had to play that way...someone had to actually score some runs or they would be bowled out eventually for about 230 and still two days to play.

Still might Rolling Eyes 

But at least he took the fight back to the bowlers. Might have softened them up a bit , hopefully.
Though not a lot of batting to come...missing Bresnan devil 

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