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Post by Biltong Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:27 pm

Please continue here guys.


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Post by TopoftheChops Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

Bresnan out, bairstow to speed up innings now

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:29 pm

Maybe we should give Bell the chance at getting a 3rd ton on the bounce?

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:32 pm

Lots of time left in this game so I think Bell is the right man t be out there now.

Big applause for Bresnan and a brilliant contribution. clap clap

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:33 pm

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=7362;type=series

Ian Bell far out ahead in the race for most runs. Stuart Broad is 2nd!

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Post by GSC Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:33 pm

BestoftheBres trundles his way to 38
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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:35 pm

Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:35 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2013/engine/current/match/593504.html

2/74 at over 4 an over. Finn's statistics in a CC game against Sussex. Not very good, Steven.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:35 pm

I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply. mad 

trebellbobaggins wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

Slow and steady as she goes...



with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.
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Post by GSC Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:36 pm

Tbf Duty he does have both centuries scored in this series
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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:36 pm

GSC wrote:BestoftheBres trundles his way to 38

Thats another good name...I notice you haven't changed yours yet. Wink
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:38 pm

Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating

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Post by GSC Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:39 pm

TB was a slow pitch.

Pattinson struggled with his line so slowed it down I guess
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Post by GSC Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:40 pm

He didn't get a fifer Sad
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:41 pm

there is one thing to consider duty- if let em in on this track early then they will have much easier conditions to bat in than day 4 or 5- basically up the rate slightly- hit 500 and stick them in at 6:00pm

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Post by liverbnz Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:41 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply. mad 

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dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

   Slow and steady as she goes...



with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

It's not pointless. The match is over as a contest. Australia will not chase 350 and won't bat 2 days for a draw. The only thing for England to do now is run them ragged in the field and trample any bit of spirit they have left well into the dirt. That might sound cruel, but that 5-0 was only 6 years ago.

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Post by GSC Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

What about

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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating
Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:42 pm

GSC wrote:He didn't get a fifer Sad
Yeah the 1st Test

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Post by Duty281 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:43 pm

liverbnz wrote:
dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply. mad 

trebellbobaggins wrote:
   
dyrewolfe wrote:Lead passes the 350 mark. Another 100 should do it.

   Slow and steady as she goes...



with Bell, Bairstow and the rest to come you could even hope for another 150 (or is that greedy?).

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

It's not pointless. The match is over as a contest. Australia will not chase 350 and won't bat 2 days for a draw. The only thing for England to do now is run them ragged in the field and trample any bit of spirit they have left well into the dirt. That might sound cruel, but that 5-0 was only 6 years ago.

Cook, Bell, Pietersen, and Anderson probably remember it well! No mercy.

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Post by Liam Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:43 pm

Good accurate stuff here for Harris. Keeping it nice and tight and not allowing England to get away too quick. If England can keep these two together till tea, they can then push on afterwards and put them in for the last half hour/40 mins of the day. Hopefully pick up a wicket or two.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:44 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating
Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!




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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:45 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:I HATE when threads get locked JUST at the moment I post a reply. mad 

Not so much greedy as rather pointless.

Australia aren't going to be able to chase 450 - let alone 600, so simply accumulating runs for the sake of it, seems like a waste of time.

Plus the Aussies may simply try to bat for a draw if we leave it too long. We're scoring very slowly at the moment and it could take us the rest of the day to get the lead we want.

I'd prefer to have plenty of time in my pocket in case of some unexpected resistance.

 oops. .I think I worded that badly.  I meant 150 from here.

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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:49 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating
Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!



laughing picard 

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating
Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!



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Oh dear!!

lesson for you.

on average lets say for the sake of it they are 5% down. lets say they averaged 89 in india and 85 here. if india aveargaed 82 in india going by my comment(calibaration out) they would average 78. not in the 60- 70s!!!

even if the difference is more like 10% out(which it isnt) india would still be around the 74 mark based on my comment!!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 20 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

Go on young Joe
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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:05 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:Can someone explain where James Pattinson(and Mitchell Starc) extra pace has gone?

Recently in India, relatively slow pitches, both where clocking 145-150 kph.

So far in this series neither have shown that blistering speed.

Indias speed guns need caliberating
Highly debatable.

Even in the West Indies, Pattinson was over 90mph

The Indian seamers weren't exactly clocking much over 80mph either. So going on your theory indians seamers where bowling 60-70mph...

maths isn't your strong point is it!



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Oh dear!!

lesson for you.

on average lets say for the sake of it they are 5% down. lets say they averaged 89 in india and 85 here. if india aveargaed 82 in india going by my comment(calibaration out) they would average 78. not in the 60- 70s!!!

even if the difference is more like 10% out(which it isnt) india would still be around the 74 mark based on my comment!!
It was sarcasm... Never mind...

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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:06 pm

Pattinson has struggled to maintain his accuracy right from the word go in this series, and I feel perhaps he has cut down on his pace to try and address that. However, I have to say he hasn't been quite successful that way either.

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Post by Gerry SA Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:07 pm

So Steve Smith takes a catch, but the third umpire says its a bump ball.

Umpiring standards are very ordinary these days.

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Post by liverbnz Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:07 pm

Oh great, more umpiring controversy.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:07 pm

The truth is the calibration may be out or may not be.

Or there is something about the english weather and conditions which make it a lot harder to bowl fast. Everyone boals slower here and its not just the aussies, that or our calibration is out or others are!

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:08 pm

Well, well, well...

More controversy and Bell is lucky to still be there. Looked a catch but the review says otherwise.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:09 pm

That was close.

I don't think it's too easy out there so anything 450+ looks a nice total if you can set it.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:10 pm

Thought that was a catch to be honest
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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:10 pm

The speedguns used in the IPL were funny and ones showed Morne Morcle clocking close to 180 KPH. However the ones used in the tests were much better, and Pattinson actually was bowling pretty sharp. It was not just in India, when India toured Australia during his debut series, and then later in the West Indies, he seemed to bowl a little bit quicker than what he has managed here in this series so far.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:11 pm

Well catch or not this one is immaterial. It won't stop it being brought up and probably rightly so- Is this another crazy decision by the tv umps??

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:12 pm

Commentators are saying part of the problem is that TV cameras tend to foreshorten pictures and don't give the depth of field the human eye has.

Umpire should have called it correctly in the first place.

Not that the decision is likely to have any bearing on the final outcome of this game. Hope thats of some consolation to Australia.
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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

Bell certainly luck to be still there!. The umpiring standards in this series seem to be collapsing much quicker than the Australian batting here. Really mediocre. Tony Hill was pathetic in the recent Zimbabwe Bangladesh, his umpiring was bordering on the obnoxious there, and as a sign of recognition of that, the ICC promoted him to the elite panel, and the game has become poorer for that stupid decision from the ICC.

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Post by Liam Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:16 pm

Falling asleep here, very dull day of cricket so far. This is where you need KP still to be in so he can attacking later on in the day.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:18 pm

Liam tbh these should actually start attacking at some point. there is no reason to hang about any more. But then I can understand why root is- He wants his first opening ton! and fair play

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:21 pm

I don't mind us playing slow up until tea, wear them down, keep these two in, let Root get to his hundred. Then after tea we can go, then Bairstow and Prior, Broad/Swann could come in and have a swing
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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:21 pm

I was hoping India's excellent use of the DRS during the CT might convince a few more people to go for the system. But these high-profile howlers has given further ground to those who say no. Perhaps its just a matter of perception, but it will be very difficult to move the BCCI on this issue for some time now. Unfortunately, its some horrendous umpiring that is creating more trouble for the UDRS rather than technology itself, though there is significant room for improvement there as well.

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Post by Liam Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:23 pm

I don't mind Root playing his normal game to get a hundred, he should imo. Bell got his hundred, he should be taking the pressure off root and keep the scoreboard ticking over.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:24 pm

TBH I don't really understand any arguments against DRS this series- I can see how it could be improved but never scraped. It has been the umpiring not the DRS system

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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:24 pm

The 150 up for England. Perhaps they can press on a bit more.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:25 pm

Hopefully Root and Bell will start to swing their bats more, once Joe gets his ton.

150 up for England and the lead is 383. Would hope we declare with another 70 or so on the board.
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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:27 pm

mystiroakey wrote:TBH I don't really understand any arguments against DRS this series- I can see how it could be improved but never scraped. It has been the umpiring not the DRS system

Exactly!

And the use (or misuse) of the review system. Use it well and you profit. Use it poorly and you pay for it.
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Post by msp83 Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:27 pm

Bell starting to get a move on. Would make for a bit more exciting cricket. Not that I have anything against grinding the opposition down kind of an approach, but England started off in a massively advantageous position, then slipped a bit and recovered. Now they can press on a bit to completely outplay the Australians here.

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Post by dyrewolfe Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:36 pm

Cracking boundary from Root takes him into the Nervous 90s.
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Post by mystiroakey Sat 20 Jul 2013, 3:40 pm

Smith looks alot better than agar in the bowling stakes tbh!


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