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Post by Stella Wed 24 Jul 2013, 3:06 pm

Have I heard this right?

The new Superman film, will be him vs Batman.

Please confirm that this is a viscous rumour.
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Post by Guest Wed 24 Jul 2013, 3:11 pm

nope its confirmed as happening in the next Man of Steel movie and was announced at Comic Con

Think it was always going to happen in one way or another to get them together for the inevitable Justice League Movie

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 24 Jul 2013, 4:07 pm

Is it him vs Batman or are they in the same movie ????

How can Batman beat Superman unless he has kryptonite..

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Post by Stella Wed 24 Jul 2013, 4:15 pm

Same movie. I heard that they are against each other Tumbleweed 

Sounds sh.t
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 24 Jul 2013, 4:36 pm

You'll be staying in washing your hair and doing the Ironing instead then Stell ???

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Post by Stella Wed 24 Jul 2013, 4:38 pm

Well, may give it a go, if the reviews are ok. Was rather looking forward to seeing Lois lane and Superman continuing where they left off, and having Lex Luthor come into it, although he might?
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 24 Jul 2013, 4:44 pm

Chuck General Zod in and I might drag red adair to see it...

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Post by hodge Wed 24 Jul 2013, 5:00 pm

DC are rushing to get something out to go up against Avengers: Age Of Ultron, Superman is established and the easiest one to re-establish in short time is Batman due to the recent Nolan films as everyone know the character.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Wed 24 Jul 2013, 5:07 pm

Any ideas who should play Batman, seeing as Bale has ruled himself out?

I was thinking either Karl Urban, but he might be a bit tall, or (and don't laugh), Andrew Lincoln.
I have heard a rumour that Armie Hammer is being considered.

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Post by Bull Wed 24 Jul 2013, 5:29 pm

Dependings i like Lincoln so would take him, if it is meant to be the Batman from Nolan's universe then it should JGL! but it wont sure they will save him for the re-boot tbh.


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Post by bhb001 Wed 24 Jul 2013, 6:57 pm

I read a lot of comics and one of the best is The Dark Knight Returns which climaxes with a great fight between the two. I think you can get away with this stuff in comics, where it is just geeks arguing about it, but can't see it really being taken "seriously" as a premise in a film. Hopefully I'll be proven wrong as the geek in me wants to see this!

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Post by SecretFly Wed 24 Jul 2013, 8:12 pm

These supehero movies are getting to be a joke.  "Only getting?", I hear some people say Wink

There is absolutely no way you can have Batman and Superman in the one movie.... it's just too bizarre to contemplate.....UNLESS they get to fight Godzilla together, which would begin to make more transcendental sense!

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Post by kingraf Wed 24 Jul 2013, 8:13 pm

The problem is... How dumb would Batman have to be not to walk into a fight with Superman hiding a bit of Kryptonite? That glaring weakness makes it hard for me to take an Sup movie/comic seriously. At least Admantium is incredibly rare in the X-Men universe, Kryptonite seems to be just around every corner in DC-Universe.
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Post by SecretFly Wed 24 Jul 2013, 9:04 pm

kingraf wrote:The problem is... How dumb would Batman have to be not to walk into a fight with Superman hiding a bit of Kryptonite? That glaring weakness makes it hard for me to take an Sup movie/comic seriously. At least Admantium is incredibly rare in the X-Men universe, Kryptonite seems to be just around every corner in DC-Universe.

And I'll use the bit I found in my coal bunker if Superman comes anywhere close to Batman.  Batman had a caped sidekick.  It didn't work out.  Too much talk.  Gotham is no place for apprentices.  Take your CV elsewhere Superman.  Toss a burger, feed a gorilla, make yourself a sandwich, drink a glass of milk... Do some fukin' thing.

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Post by Skydriver Wed 24 Jul 2013, 10:14 pm

All this is a precursor to a Justice League movie apparently.

Absolutely no idea how they can make this work and I am not optimistic. Although the Comic-Con announcement quoted a bit of dialogue from the dust-up in The Dark Knight Returns as an introduction, they said they are definitely NOT adapting that. Good choice, given that this book is in its own continuity and that encounter has a very specific context.

There's another interesting clash between the characters in the Jeph Loeb/Jim Lee arc "Hush" incidentally (a bit of a side-show chapter, not really integral to the story).

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Post by hodge Wed 24 Jul 2013, 11:59 pm

3 people i'd suggest for Batman

Armie Hammer, Tom Hardy (Yes I know he was Bane....) or Ryan Gosling

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Post by Kenny Thu 25 Jul 2013, 12:05 am

I haven't read any of the comics , so can someone tell me why Superman would fight Batman ? aren't they both good guys ?
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Post by hodge Thu 25 Jul 2013, 12:42 am

Both defending something they believe the other to be threatening?

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Post by Galted Thu 25 Jul 2013, 7:28 am

Could work if it starts off with them hating each other then, to settle their differences, going away to a place such as... Brokeback Mountain.
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Post by ShahenshahG Thu 25 Jul 2013, 7:46 am

Galted wrote:Could work if it starts off with them hating each other then, to settle their differences, going away to a place such as... Brokeback Mountain.

Superman gets too enthusiatic?


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Post by bhb001 Thu 25 Jul 2013, 7:53 am

ShahenshahG wrote:
Galted wrote:Could work if it starts off with them hating each other then, to settle their differences, going away to a place such as... Brokeback Mountain.

Superman gets too enthusiatic?


Also, a terrible lover. Faster than a speeding bullet from what I've been told. Mind you, Batman is no better. With all his ninja training, he is in and out without anyone noticing.

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Post by ShahenshahG Thu 25 Jul 2013, 8:01 am

bhb001 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
Galted wrote:Could work if it starts off with them hating each other then, to settle their differences, going away to a place such as... Brokeback Mountain.

Superman gets too enthusiatic?


Also, a terrible lover. Faster than a speeding bullet from what I've been told. Mind you, Batman is no better. With all his ninja training, he is in and out without anyone noticing.

Not a great match when you consider that Superman only has a small spaceship and batmans cave is quite big. Probably why superman always intercepts rockets and nuclear missiles - has to find some way of keep the batty boy interested.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Thu 25 Jul 2013, 10:33 am

Adam Sandler for Batman I reckon..

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Post by Skydriver Thu 25 Jul 2013, 10:43 am

Kenny wrote:I haven't read any of the comics , so can someone tell me why Superman would fight Batman ? aren't they both good guys ?

The 2 comic book conflicts mentioned above take their cue from the characters being long-time friends (having worked together in the Justice League for years - this won't be the case for the film presumably) but also prepared to take each other down should they find themselves on opposing sides.

In the Dark Knight Returns (sort of set in the "future"), Superman works for the US government and is ordered to stop Batman - an old man whose reappearance after years of retirement causes trouble and unrest (thinking of old enemies also being inspired to return and escalation of gang violence).  Quite serious / political etc.

In Hush, Superman falls under the control of one of Batman's enemies (yes, Poison Ivy's allure extends to Kryptonian males).  Classically comic book silly, but entertaining.

These encounters both contrast the characters - Clark is a boy scout, through and through.  He has the power of a god, but is reluctant to harm or let anyone be harmed.  Bruce has a bit of a dark side (drawing the line at killing mind you), and uses his considerable resources and intelligence to inform his tactics.

Goodness knows what they're going to do for a movie.

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Post by Hulking_up Fri 26 Jul 2013, 12:44 pm

bhb001 wrote:
ShahenshahG wrote:
Galted wrote:Could work if it starts off with them hating each other then, to settle their differences, going away to a place such as... Brokeback Mountain.

Superman gets too enthusiatic?


Also, a terrible lover. Faster than a speeding bullet from what I've been told. Mind you, Batman is no better. With all his ninja training, he is in and out without anyone noticing.

It was a nice hot day in the DC Universe and Superman was flying over the city when he spots Wonder Woman laying naked on top of one of the buildings.
As fast as a speeding bullet, Superman swoops down, gets his end away and flys off.
Wonder Woman screams "what the hell was that?" and the Invisable Man said "I don't know, but it hurt like hell."

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Post by jimmyinthewell68 Mon 05 Aug 2013, 11:53 am

didnt superman once said about batman in the comics , he is the most dangerous man alive . he must be a bit gossipy

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Post by Guest Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:46 pm

In the Dark Knight Returns (sort of set in the "future"), Superman works for the US government and is ordered to stop Batman - an old man whose reappearance after years of retirement causes trouble and unrest (thinking of old enemies also being inspired to return and escalation of gang violence). Quite serious / political etc.
In the animated "film" isn't the president Ronald Reagan or at least a parody of him? I think Batman is voiced by Peter Weller.

As the poster above says, they're actually give good.

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Post by bhb001 Mon 05 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

DAVE667 wrote:
In the Dark Knight Returns (sort of set in the "future"), Superman works for the US government and is ordered to stop Batman - an old man whose reappearance after years of retirement causes trouble and unrest (thinking of old enemies also being inspired to return and escalation of gang violence).  Quite serious / political etc.
In the animated "film" isn't the president Ronald Reagan or at least a parody of him? I think Batman is voiced by Peter Weller.

As the poster above says, they're actually give good.

In the graphic novel, Dark Knight Returns, yes, it was very easy to imagine that the president was based on Ronald Regan.

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Post by Skydriver Mon 05 Aug 2013, 9:03 pm

Yes, the president in The Dark Knight Returns was undoubtedly based on Mr Reagan (who was the office holder at the time of publication) with a fair bit of parody thrown in. Same sort of direction (although not quite as far) as Spitting Image's bumbling war monger - but with a Superman under his control...

The idea of a nuclear trigger-happy leader of the free world also made its way into another of Frank Miller's graphic novels from memory - there's a [Richard Nixon type?] president in the very weird "Elektra: Assassin", who literally carries around a device with a big red button on it and repeatedly threatens to push it. Or at least that's what I vaguely remember.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Tue 06 Aug 2013, 3:55 am

Hoefully it will be the red son comic if superman and batman are in the same film.

In red Son superman is found in soviet russia and becomes a communist fighting against America. Batman is an ally of America.

great storyline just google red son and read it.

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Post by bhb001 Tue 06 Aug 2013, 8:11 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Hoefully it will be the red son comic if superman and batman are in the same film.

In red Son superman is found in soviet russia and becomes a communist fighting against America. Batman is an ally of America.

great storyline just google red son and read it.

Agree it would make a great film, but difficult to link it back to the last Superman film. It is suppose to be a continuance. Plus I doubt that America is ready for a red Superman on film.

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Post by jimmyinthewell68 Tue 06 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

with batman retired they prob have an older actor play him . i can't see them fighting against each other because supermans way  over the top too powerful which why i never taken to him as a kid . i was more marvel  and into spiderman .   my guess would be they some how team up  with superman criticising him over is darker character tactics throughout the film but kiss and make up and loved up at the end of the movie . unless batman dies

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Post by Skydriver Tue 06 Aug 2013, 9:39 pm

In time-honoured tradition, the plot has got to be (a) superheroes meet, dislike each other and fight, (b) they then team up for the greater good against some Big Bad [in this case, representing the seeds of the Justice League presumably].

See any "superhero v superhero" comic book and/or The Avengers movie, which gave a number of nods to the tradition.

As pointed out though, it's a ridiculous mismatch, so there has to be a contrived reason why Batman v Superman isn't a one-sided fight which would be over quicker than a speeding bullet.

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Post by westisbest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 8:18 am

Ben Affleck is to take over from Christian Bale.

Not to convinced myself.

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Post by Mr Bounce Fri 23 Aug 2013, 8:57 am

Affleck is all wrong.

To quote Mrs Bounce: "He’s smarmy and bland enough to play Superman but NOT batman! I think that pretty much sums up the values these films are going to have. Integrity not being one of them."

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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:42 am

Affleck is a dreadful actor, one film aside. He's better behind the camera.

I liked Keaton as Bruce Wayne, not as Batman.
I liked Clooney as Bruce Wayne, not as Batman.
I liked Kilmer as Batman, not as Bruce Wayne.
I liked Bale as Bruce Wayne, not as Batman.
I like Effleck as neither.

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Post by Crimey Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:51 am

That is a terrible choice, after Christian Bale who was probably the perfect Bruce Wayne and Batman, Ben Affleck is neither, he just looks the part. We've already seen him flop as a superhero once and start moving behind the camera because his acting is so ridiculed. 

I was hoping they'd go for somebody a little bit older and more rough and go down that kind of storyline, Affleck is a choice that you'd have expected the Schumacher brothers to make.

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Post by Adam D Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

Crimey wrote:That is a terrible choice, after Christian Bale who was probably the perfect Bruce Wayne and Batman, Ben Affleck is neither, he just looks the part. We've already seen him flop as a superhero once and start moving behind the camera because his acting is so ridiculed. 

I was hoping they'd go for somebody a little bit older and more rough and go down that kind of storyline, Affleck is a choice that you'd have expected the Schumacher brothers to make.
Joel, Michael and Ralf?

There is only one Batman/ Wayne and that is Adam West.

They don't even dance anymore!

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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 9:55 am

Well I feel a bit better about Capaldi as Doctor Who now that I've seen Batman ruined Laugh

Henry Cavill will be the star of this film now, I didn't think I'd say that about a film with Batman in.

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Post by jimmyinthewell68 Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:14 am

yes i just read about it . looks like its true . also the writer said Ben Affleck be the first actor to crossover from marvel to dc . i laugh at you sir and will out geek you . Ryan Reynolds already accomplish that . deadpool and green lantern . smug mode .Cool 

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Post by Crimey Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:26 am

I'm still surprised by this choice, it's been met with almost universal negativity.

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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:41 am

Almost, is there someone who likes the choice? Shocked

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Post by Stella Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:46 am

I never thought Bale would be any good, and he was. Affleck's acting is a bit wooden. Taylor made.
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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:47 am

The only way this film can work now is if Batman dies. Which would mean they cast the role to perfection.

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Post by Bull Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:48 am

Frak ben affleck mad mad mad mad mad mad mad

I am so mad with that casting, that the guy does not deserve his name to be written with correct punctuation!

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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 10:53 am

You know Bull's upset when he says Frak a lot. Ben Affrak might be his new name.

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Post by Crimey Fri 23 Aug 2013, 11:17 am

Some people are suggesting this is very similar to when Heath Ledger was cast and how negative people were about that, the difference is that Affleck is an established actor who has been around for 20 years now and is consistently pretty poor. His acting is usually panned and its only since he became a director that he's got any credibility.

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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 11:29 am

Heath Ledger was an outstanding young actor. The Patriot, A Knight's Tale, Brokeback Mountain, he put in some incredible performances before TDK.

Can't believe it's been 5 and a half years since he died!

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Post by Galted Fri 23 Aug 2013, 12:56 pm

Affleck's problem hasn't been so much a lack of acting ability as a habit of choosing sh1t films to act in. Batman isn't exactly the most demanding role either, just requires looking stern-faced at times and away with the fairies at others - Keanu Reeves could probably play him, maybe.
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Post by Guest Fri 23 Aug 2013, 1:02 pm

Galted wrote:Affleck's problem hasn't been so much a lack of acting ability as a habit of choosing sh1t films to act in.  Batman isn't exactly the most demanding role either, just requires looking stern-faced at times and away with the fairies at others - Keanu Reeves could probably play him, maybe.
Don't even say it in jest. I swear, if Affleck quits and Reeves gets the nod, I will hunt you down and steal all your tinfoil. Then what will your nipples do for entertainmemt huh?

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