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Post by sirfredperry Tue 06 Aug 2013, 9:37 am

First topic message reminder :

They're all at it again on Friday. Just as England are likely to chuck in a bad performance when everyone expects them to win (Leeds 09, Perth 2010/11, Manchester 2013) they usually bounce back next Test (Lord's and Oval 09, Melbourne 2010/11).
I'm taking England to win one of the last two Tests to ensure a series victory. Onions, it seems, will come in and that could be a good move. Still think this is not a very strong Australia team. It's just that they were an average team playing poorly in the first two Test while at Manchester they were an average team playing well.
Before Manchester, we were asking if Australia could improve/get back into the series. Well they certainly achieved the former if not the latter. Now we could ask - Can England start firing on all cylinders ?

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Post by KP_fan Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:24 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
KP_fan wrote:why didn't the onfield umpire give that out ?
 
Another decision corrected by DRS. Yahoo 
Yes it's celebration time when DRS does get it right
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:24 pm

Oh and siddle is the best bowler in this series not Jimm sky just said.

And BBC were right.. Bowl first under cloud and collapse.  Look likely with engs form.  Grrr.

So many bad decisions.  Seems it could be the first match losing toss.

And holding is back on. Won't miss the old grumbles when my sky ends again next month. He used to be great but it so grumpy now.

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Post by alfie Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:26 pm

Yes , trebs. Root is either feast or famine as opener it seems. Usually famine. Though when he feasts...

Pity. Thought he had settled in pretty well today and was hoping for a good score.

Trott in now and he could do with some runs !

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:28 pm

Let him feast at 6 Alfie. He is nowhere near ready.  Thy cant let him keep failing.

Its a nonsense onions is doing everything to get picked and ignored yet they stick with a failing batsman time after time.  Sends a bad message to players.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:30 pm

I'm not sure Root should go down to 6, but he certainly needs to be more assertive coming forward. He seems too tentative on the front foot to be facing the new ball at the minute.

Bairstow is the one in serious danger. With Taylor breathing down his neck
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Post by GSC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:31 pm

Unpopular opinion but I stand by it. Root doesn't look like a test opener
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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:31 pm

England going at walking pace. Thankfully for Australia, DRS once again proved its merits, and what a vital tool it is for cricket.

Cook and Trott both under pressure, both due a score...

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:33 pm

Yes GSC you are right. Its unpopular with me and England

Root stays

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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

Give Root 6 more Tests to prove himself.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

GSC wrote:Unpopular opinion but I stand by it. Root doesn't look like a test opener
I said this in the very first inning I saw him with the new ball and a few others also noticed the same.
feet quite stuck to the crease and not coming forard enouhg...manageable with the old ball...but not quite when the ball is new in countries like Eng, Aus and NZ
 

he won't cut it in these conditions as an opener.

In sub continent thouhg he will get away as an opener also


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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:35 pm

Cook and trott- The dream team..










Yes I mean the two that will make us all fall asleep if they stay in Very Happy 

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:36 pm

Or are they dream bunnies for aussie in is series?

Now is the time to stand up and change that lads!

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Post by GSC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:36 pm

They can't really go back to Compton but he really strikes me as a middle order player
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:38 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Hoggy_Bear wrote:
KP_fan wrote:why didn't the onfield umpire give that out ?
 
Another decision corrected by DRS. Yahoo 
Yes it's celebration time when DRS does get it right
There have been more correct decisions made in this series because of DRS than would have been made without it.

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Post by alfie Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:38 pm

Maybe , trebs. But then they have to revisit the opening question.

And a trip to Australia may not be a great time to mess with the opening pair , so not much time.

I think as long as Bairstow looks like a reasonable choice at six they will not want to move Root back down. And if he fails there is Taylor.
Whereas opening ? Compton ? Not sure they will want to reverse engines like that...

But I agree one score in seven innings is not what they were hoping for. He did look better today though , against some decent swinging deliveries. Three more innings this summer.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:41 pm

Good points Alfie.

He may be running out of time.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:43 pm

Root has been a big hit and miss during the ashes this series. Not sure why people are still going on about bringing Compton back in. Taylor is next in, if one of our batting line up gets injured.

Time for Cook to get a big innings!

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Post by GSC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:45 pm

Root has been several misses and 1 fortuitous hit actually
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Post by Hoggy_Bear Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:46 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Root has been a big hit and miss during the ashes this series. Not sure why people are still going on about bringing Compton back in. Taylor is next in, if one of our batting line up gets injured.

Time for Cook to get a big innings!
But if Root were dropped, would you bring in Taylor to open?

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:48 pm

Root wouldn't be dropped - he would only be pushed back down the order!

so it would have to be taylor to open and bairstow to go

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:50 pm

Some people are never happy.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:54 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Root wouldn't be dropped - he would only be pushed back down the order!

so it would have to be taylor to open and bairstow to go
That'd be hugely unfair on Taylor though, wouldn't it. Asking a player who has hardly ever opened the batting to open in a test, so that another player, who has been opening the innings most of his career, can be protected down the order?
Not saying that Root will, or should, be moved down the order, but if it were to happen you'd have to bring in a specialist opener IMO, unless you moved Trott up to open.

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Post by chrisss Fri 09 Aug 2013, 12:54 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Root wouldn't be dropped - he would only be pushed back down the order!

so it would have to be taylor to open and bairstow to go
Yeah but if Bairstow starts to score runs moving Root down the order won't be an option.

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Post by alfie Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:02 pm

Lunch at 57/1.

England will take that , on what could have been a dangerous morning. Dare I say Trott is looking a bit more relaxed ?

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:03 pm

Good morning session IMO, could do with Cook and Trott getting a big old partnership going.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:03 pm

Good session that for England. Cook has dug in really well here, and seen off the first 2 hours. #properbatting

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Post by KP_fan Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:04 pm

Inspite of "Tortoising" it's England's morning purely because they lost just one wicket.

Australia held Siddle back for too long, Bird doesn't threaten with his line length and largely medium pace......Harris is not a 100% and not giving Lyon an over or perhaps 2 befor lunch was anotehr minor mistake.

Eng should pick up the tempo after lunch else all the good work of seeing off the new-ball comes to a naught if they keep scratching and suddenly lose 2 wicket to be 80-3
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:05 pm

chrisss wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Root wouldn't be dropped - he would only be pushed back down the order!

so it would have to be taylor to open and bairstow to go
Yeah but if Bairstow starts to score runs moving Root down the order won't be an option.
I am happy to keep it as is..

And taylor to come in for one of the older lads(bell, trott, kp) when they have run out of steam in a year or two!!


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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:06 pm

KP_fan wrote:Inspite of "Tortoising" it's England's morning purely because they lost just one wicket.

Australia held Siddle back for too long, Bird doesn't threaten with his line length and largely medium pace......Harris is not a 100% and not giving Lyon an over or perhaps 2 befor lunch was anotehr minor mistake.

Eng should pick up the tempo after lunch else all the good work of seeing off the new-ball comes to a naught if they keep scratching and suddenly lose 2 wicket to be 80-3
Surprised that you have nothing to say about the horrific decision from DRS this morning.

Oh wait a sec....

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:08 pm

Good morning session IMO, could do with Cook and Trott getting a big old partnership going.

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Post by KP_fan Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:08 pm

Duty281 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Inspite of "Tortoising" it's England's morning purely because they lost just one wicket.

Australia held Siddle back for too long, Bird doesn't threaten with his line length and largely medium pace......Harris is not a 100% and not giving Lyon an over or perhaps 2 befor lunch was anotehr minor mistake.

Eng should pick up the tempo after lunch else all the good work of seeing off the new-ball comes to a naught if they keep scratching and suddenly lose 2 wicket to be 80-3
Surprised that you have nothing to say about the horrific decision from DRS this morning.

Oh wait a sec....
yeah one odd normal par decision from DRS and everyone is expecting an applause........"look it worked as intended"
How low the exepctation bar has fallen for DRS.

shoddy umpiring that one...though
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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:13 pm

Indeed shoddy umpiring, and DRS cleared it up. Exactly why the game needs DRS.

If we were playing India, such a mistake would have gone unaltered. Indeed many poor decisions went uncorrected when England were over in India.

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Post by dyrewolfe Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:27 pm

Hoggy_Bear wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:Root wouldn't be dropped - he would only be pushed back down the order!

so it would have to be taylor to open and bairstow to go
That'd be hugely unfair on Taylor though, wouldn't it. Asking a player who has hardly ever opened the batting to open in a test, so that another player, who has been opening the innings most of his career, can be protected down the order?
Not saying that Root will, or should, be moved down the order, but if it were to happen you'd have to bring in a specialist opener IMO, unless you moved Trott up to open.
Or you could move Bairstow up to opener and drop Root back down to 4 or 5...just a thought.

Just catching up via BBC text commentary and see its been a pretty slow morning. Then again, the Aussies will be deflated, knowing the Ashes are staying here and England will be in no particular hurry.

Hope this isn't indicative of how the series will end...a bit of an anticlimax, if so.
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Post by KP_fan Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:27 pm

Duty281 wrote:Indeed shoddy umpiring, and DRS cleared it up. Exactly why the game needs DRS.

If we were playing India, such a mistake would have gone unaltered. Indeed many poor decisions went uncorrected when England were over in India.
yes that would be great if DRS cleared EVERY shoddy umpiring and did not leave it's own mess.

i would promptly get BCCI to sign up on it Wink

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Post by dyrewolfe Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:28 pm

Duty281 wrote:Indeed shoddy umpiring, and DRS cleared it up. Exactly why the game needs DRS.

If we were playing India, such a mistake would have gone unaltered. Indeed many poor decisions went uncorrected when England were over in India.
About time DRS got some good reaction, this series. Laugh
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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:29 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Indeed shoddy umpiring, and DRS cleared it up. Exactly why the game needs DRS.

If we were playing India, such a mistake would have gone unaltered. Indeed many poor decisions went uncorrected when England were over in India.
yes that would be great if DRS cleared EVERY shoddy umpiring and did not leave it's own mess.

i would promptly get BCCI to sign up on it Wink

It will never, ever be 100% accurate. But it will be, and is, an improvement on not using technology.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:31 pm

DRS is system that clearly needs to stick.. tech Isn't needed for DRS.

Tech helps - but it needs to be understood.

DRS can be improved

Tech Can be improved..

Umpiring can be imporved


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Post by dyrewolfe Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:33 pm

KP_fan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Indeed shoddy umpiring, and DRS cleared it up. Exactly why the game needs DRS.

If we were playing India, such a mistake would have gone unaltered. Indeed many poor decisions went uncorrected when England were over in India.
yes that would be great if DRS cleared EVERY shoddy umpiring and did not leave it's own mess.

i would promptly get BCCI to sign up on it Wink

You can't blame the technology...only the umpires' interpretation of the information it gives (or doesn't give, in some cases).

Ultimately, its all down to human interpretation, in the cases where DRS doesn't give a clear-cut decision.

Whats needed are perhaps some restrictions on when DRS can be used and guidelines on how umpires should treat marginal/inconclusive evidence.
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Post by hampo17 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:38 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:I thought it was a fairly obvious edge TBH. Mark on hot spot and a change in the ball's rotation, so absolutely correct to overturn it. Poor decision from Hill first up really...
To be fair to the umpire, that is something you just don't see while you're umpiring. It wasn't quite has bad as the Taylor decision last night either.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:45 pm

hampo171 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:I thought it was a fairly obvious edge TBH. Mark on hot spot and a change in the ball's rotation, so absolutely correct to overturn it. Poor decision from Hill first up really...
To be fair to the umpire, that is something you just don't see while you're umpiring. It wasn't quite has bad as the Taylor decision last night either.
The "change in the ball rotation" was more giving another reason to overturn the decision. But I stand by my opinion that "live" (on TV) it looked like a fairly straightforward nick.

Oooo Trott gets a lucky inside edge past his stumps for four.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:48 pm

The key word for this session: Accumulate.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:56 pm

good positive start by this pair after lunch, exactly what England need having (hopefully) done the hard work in the morning session.

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Post by guildfordbat Fri 09 Aug 2013, 1:57 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
hampo171 wrote:
Mad for Chelsea wrote:I thought it was a fairly obvious edge TBH. Mark on hot spot and a change in the ball's rotation, so absolutely correct to overturn it. Poor decision from Hill first up really...
To be fair to the umpire, that is something you just don't see while you're umpiring. It wasn't quite has bad as the Taylor decision last night either.
The "change in the ball rotation" was more giving another reason to overturn the decision. But I stand by my opinion that "live" (on TV) it looked like a fairly straightforward nick.

I'm with Mfc on this one. When I saw it in 'real time', I was surprised it wasn't given out by Hill.

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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:30 pm

I turned on.. Trott out.  walking as I logged in to sky go.

why.. why do I bother.

I won't miss this stuff I pay for and never watch at all furious

 England are in a bit of a bind with no more Mr Reliable.

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Post by dyrewolfe Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:36 pm

Unlucky Trott - he falls just 1 short of his fifty.

Not a great shot and England are 107-2...not bad but not great either.

If the rest of our upper order can emulate or better Trott, we'll have a decent 1st innings.
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Post by trebellbobaggins Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:37 pm

a long way short of the 400 you should get if you choose to bat first wolfie.

 
Trott seems to have lost the art of converting starts at the moment.

somebody has to stand up here.

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Post by JDizzle Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:47 pm

KP off on one here. This could be brilliant or dreadful.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:50 pm

Like JDizzle said, KP's either going to be out early here, or go on and make a massive score. He's already knocked Lyon out of the attack.

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Post by alfie Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:51 pm

Best shot Chef has played today clap 

Beautiful drive for four .

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 09 Aug 2013, 2:54 pm

Good start this by england..

lets not crumble to our almost guaranteed 320-360 score again!!


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