606V2 West 2013 – NFL.com Fantasy Football Homepage

by crazy_dave23 Sat 10 Aug 2013, 7:44 pm

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606V2 West 2013 – NFL.com Fantasy Football League Homepage
http://606v2W.league.fantasy.nfl.com (ID 346169)
https://www.606v2.com/t33655-606v2-west-2012-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2012 West League Thread)
https://www.606v2.com/t13037-606v2-west-2011-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2011 West League Thread)

606V2 East 2013 League
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https://www.606v2.com/t47217-606v2-east-league-2013-nflcom-fantasy-football-league-homepage (2013 East League Thread)
https://www.606v2.com/t34054-606v2-east-2012-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2012 East League Thread)
https://www.606v2.com/t13121-606v2-east-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2011 East League Thread)

606V2 Keeper League 2013
http://606v2k.league.fantasy.nfl.com (ID 1016967)
https://www.606v2.com/t46945-606v2-keeper-league-2013-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2013 Keeper League Thread)
https://www.606v2.com/t33954-606v2-keeper-league-2012-nflcom-fantasy-football-homepage (2012 Keeper League Thread)

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2013 Playoffs

Final
Suck My Vick No Romo (GSC) 89.50 vs 97.82 The Stormbringers (Forward Pass)

3rd Place Game
Revis and Butthead (Pr4wn) 80.94 vs 70.08 San Francisco Trams (crazy_dave23)

Semi Finals
Revis and Butthead (Pr4wn) 86.40 vs 125.86 Suck My Vick No Romo (GSC)
San Francisco Trams (crazy_dave23) 85.54 vs 91.30 The Stormbringers (Forward Pass)

5th Place Game
New York Bulls (mikeygnfl) 94.50 vs 86.74 Child Please (GB1919)

Wild Card Round
New York Bulls (mikeygnfl) 93.66 vs 107.84 The Stormbringers (Forward Pass)
Suck My Vick No Romo (GSC) 105.38 vs 99.00 Child Please (GB1919)

Consolation Playoffs
7th Place Game
Highbury Tankers (SuperTanker) 50.14 vs 93.52 Uncle Petes Adderral Stash (cherriesfan)

9th Place Game
Knights of Cydonia (CFCNick) 98.54 vs 58.08 Prestige Worldwide (RDuncan8)

Semi Finals
Highbury Tankers (SuperTanker) 125.28 vs 63.10 Prestige Worldwide (RDuncan8)
Knights of Cydonia (CFCNick) 48.00 vs 102.14 Uncle Petes Adderral Stash (cherriesfan)

11th Place Game
New England Canaries (Olly) 97.20 vs 63.94 Tony Romo and Juliet (LeedsCowboys)

Wild Card Round
Uncle Petes Adderral Stash (cherriesfan) 109.86 vs 80.06 Tony Romo and Juliet (LeedsCowboys)
New England Canaries (Olly) 55.26 vs 60.62 Prestige Worldwide (RDuncan8)

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2013 Standings

Guernsey Division:
9-4-0 (WWWWWWLLWLLWW) San Francisco Trams: crazy_dave23
6-7-0 (WLLLLLLLWWWWW) Knights of Cydonia: CFCNick
6-7-0 (LWLLWLWWWWLLL) Uncle Petes Adderral Stash: cherriesfan
2-11-0 (LLLLLLWLLLLLW) Thunder and Lightning: thunder and lightning

Jersey Division:
10-3-0 (WWWWLLWLWWWWW) Revis and Butthead: Pr4wn
10-3-0 (WLWWWLWWLWWWW) Suck My Vick No Romo: GSC
8-5-0 (WWWWLWLWLLWLW) Highbury Tankers: SuperTanker
4-9-0 (LWLLLLLLWLWLW) Tony Romo and Juliet: LeedsCowboys
3-10-0 (LLLLLWLWLLWLL) BamBams Warriors: bambamwillis

Alderney Division:
8-5-0 (WWWWWWLLWWLLL) New York Bulls: Mikeygnfl
8-5-0 (WWLLLWWWWWLWL) The Stormbringers: Forward Pass
8-5-0 (LLWWWWLWLWWWL) Child Please: GB1919
5-8-0 (LLLWWLWWLLLWL) New England Canaries: Olly
4-9-0 (LLWLWWWLLLLLL) Prestige Worldwide: RDuncan8

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League History

Awards
2013 Champion: The Stormbringers: Forward Pass (8-5-0) + (3-0-0)
2013 2nd Place: Suck My Vick No Romo: GSC (10-3-0) + (2-1-0)
2013 3rd Place: Revis and Butthead: Pr4wn (10-3-0) + (Bye, 1-1-0)
2013 Regular Season Champion: Revis and Butthead: Pr4wn (10-3-0)
2013 Highest Scoring Team: New York Bulls: mikeygnfl (1298.86)
2013 Highest Scoring Week: New York Bulls: mikeygnfl (Week 9, 152.04)

2012 Champion: New England Canaries: Olly (11-2-0) + (Bye, 2-0-0)
2012 2nd Place: The Stormbringers: Forward Pass (8-5-0) + (2-1-0)
2012 3rd Place: BamBams Warriors: bamamwillis (8-5-0) + (2-1-0)
2012 Regular Season Champion: New England Canaries: Olly (11-2-0)
2012 Highest Scoring Team: New England Canaries: Olly (1277.20)
2012 Highest Scoring Week: San Francisco Trams: crazy_dave23 (Week 16, 143.04)

2011 Champion: The Stormbringers: Forward Pass (8-5-0) + (3-0-0)
2011 2nd Place: San Francisco Trams: crazy_dave23 (7-6-0) + (2-1-0)
2011 3rd Place: New York Bulls: mikeygnfl (12-1-0) + (Bye, 1-1-0)
2011 Regular Season Champion: New York Bulls: mikeygnfl (12-1-0)
2011 Highest Scoring Team: New York Bulls: mikeygnfl (1248.82)
2011 Highest Scoring Week: The Stormbringers: Forward Pass (Week 12, 137.82)

Name Changes
Los Angeles Leopards (2012) ---> New York Bulls (2013): mikeygnfl
Beast Mode (2012) ---> Uncle Petes Adderral Stash (2013): cherriesfan
Dyslexia United (2012) ---> Revis and Butthead (2013): Pr4wn

New York Bulls (2011) ---> Los Angeles Leopards (2012): mikeygnfl

Owner Changes
Devonshire Longhorns (2011): sgb ---> Knights of Cydonia (2012): CFCNick
Team Tebow (2011): TheBrownTown ---> Suck My Vick No Romo (2012): GSC
Horwich Casuals 2 (2011): Pekchenko ---> Highbury Tankers (2012): SuperTanker
Might Mikes Marvels (2011): ??? ---> New England Canaries (2012): Olly

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2013 Draft Info

The 2013 draft took place at 8PM BST (3PM EDT) on Sunday 1st September 2013, with the 1st round order selected at random and then the snake format doing the rest.

See spoiler below for First Round Picks:

Spoiler:

Summaries of the full draft and the first three picks per team will follow below.

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2013 Draft Analysis

See spoiler below for Draft Analysis

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by **Pr4wn** Tue 08 Oct 2013, 7:44 am

Still perfect!

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 08 Oct 2013, 7:13 pm

If people would kindly stop scoring near enough 120 pts against me most weeks that'd be greatly appreciated!!!

by CFCNick Tue 08 Oct 2013, 7:26 pm

Olly wrote:Bet the week somebody scores 70 pts against me will be the week I only score like 50!!

Good luck this week. It's all going well for me. It's like I'm rushing to the airport and hitting all the green lights. 7th highest scoring team and 2nd overall.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Tue 08 Oct 2013, 7:47 pm

Yes good luck to you too, getting RG3 back off the bye should help me at least. Not like I've not been scoring decently, think I'm about 6/7th overall in points scored, just had nearly 600 pts scored against me through 5 weeks Laugh

This is where the streak begins for me Cool

by crazy_dave23 Tue 08 Oct 2013, 10:10 pm

So Ryan Matthews and Darren McFadden are both injured.... who'da thunk it

by mikeygnfl Fri 11 Oct 2013, 4:01 pm

My bench got off to a great start this weekend with 23.40 points from Brandon Jacobs.

by CFCNick Fri 11 Oct 2013, 4:16 pm

I scored 16.8 with Nicks, Bennett and Brown. Got 33.98 on the bench with Cutler and Randle!!!

by crazy_dave23 Fri 11 Oct 2013, 7:34 pm

My team sucks

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Fri 11 Oct 2013, 10:02 pm

I MIGHT WIN THIS WEEK!!!

by crazy_dave23 Sun 13 Oct 2013, 8:26 pm

What a week to hit Cam

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 14 Oct 2013, 12:53 am

Love you Kenbrell heart

by mikeygnfl Mon 14 Oct 2013, 1:21 am

It looks like I am going to lose this week. I am currently level with Forward Pass on 109.58 pts but he still has Dez Bryant to go.

I had plenty of points on my bench too with Nick Foles and Brandon Jacobs scoring 30 and 23 points respectively and TY Hilton still to go.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Mon 14 Oct 2013, 11:16 am

Solid win for me this week, finally somebody didn't put up a 120 burger against me!!

by cherriesfna Mon 14 Oct 2013, 1:18 pm

woodhead and gates better outscore richardson

looking fior my 3rd straight win to go 3-3

by mikeygnfl Tue 15 Oct 2013, 1:43 am

Disappointed to lose this week with the second highest score in the league (before Indvssd game). I will be even further disappointed if and probably when TY Hilton scores over 10 points tonight as I thinking about adding him in the flex position.

I am now 2-4. Two wins behind The Stormbringers and Child Please.

It looks like the two unbeaten runs are going to go this week unless Andrew Luck puts up 40 points.

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 10:38 am

****** Trades******

For those that send me trade requests, and I dont respond I am not ignoring you, it's just your trade is not worthy of a response. Its not that I dont like to trade I do but some of you seem to think that I dont pay attention or know who is who and will therefore trade.

Then there is the person who must think I am a little dumb and wanted to me to trade a #1 RB for a broken WR in New England and a RB thats in a RBBC with a QB who is better runner than the RB.

c'mon man be serious .

Don't be that guy

That Guy suggests insane trade offers. No, dude, I do not want to deal Eddie Lacy for Danny Amendola and DeAngelo Williams, I'm gonna try and hang tough here. If you wouldn't trade Aaron Rogers for Carson Palmer and David Wilson, why do you think I would?

Unless you'd be honestly willing to do the same trade in reverse, don't offer it.

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:02 am

Takes 2 seconds to hit reject. No need to be "that guy" that doesn't respond. I've seen trades go through that I wouldn't particularly do but both parties are happy. People can't be mind readers.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:16 am

Depending on when the Lacy for Amendola/Williams trade was offered, it isn't that bad an offer.

There is a concept of buying low, the other guy might think you aren't that high on Lacy, for a first offer its not the worst in the world. If you are open to dealing him, make a counter, if not then just reject it.

No need to publicise the offer

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:43 am

Also,
DeAngelo Williams - 46.8pts
Eddie Lacy - 34.4pts

Headscratch

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:44 am

And how fit are the wr in GB, the Golden Rule for a trade is both sides come out on top, not one ripping the other.

by GSC Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:47 am

Tbh if you don't like it, don't accept. No need for the public moan

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:50 am

It's hardly a trade to get worked up about. You would have been quicker rejecting it, leave a note saying you think Lacy is worth a lot more rather than writing the drivel/rant you did earlier.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:51 am

Yes, that's why I'm saying it depends on when the offer was made. If it was made before this weekend's games, its a decent offer, as Amendola was healthy, Lacy wasn't fully up to speed and Williams was performing as a RB2/flex.

Looking at your WRs, you need a receiver, so I think you've picked a pretty bad example of a rubbish trade offer

I generally go in with a lowish offer, if the other person is willing to trade that player and like someone on my team they will generally make a counter, so a negotiation can begin!

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:56 am

RDuncan8 wrote:Also,
DeAngelo Williams - 46.8pts
Eddie Lacy - 34.4pts

12 points difference and lacy has played 3 games less

by GSC Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:57 am

Lacy being hurt is more of a negative than a positive

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 11:58 am

Amendola is broke I may need a WR but I don't need an injury prone WR whose career has been beset by injuries.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 12:01 pm

No one is saying it was an amazing offer and you should have accepted it. I wouldn't have accepted personally, but its not bad enough to create a song and dance about, its a reasonable first offer

by GSC Wed 16 Oct 2013, 12:02 pm

It's a fairly even swap of RBs and you get a WR who's good for 5-6 good games a season on top.

I don't get why this is worth moaning about

by crazy_dave23 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 12:20 pm

As an example I though Adrian Peterson and Aaron Rodgers for RGIII in the keeper league last year was a ridiculous offer which could have been made without adding AP as it was RGIII that number-25 wanted at the time...

i still think it is ridiculous, however ultimately its what happened and both sides ended up happy with it...

it might look lopsided but it might suit the teams involved... it also might not.

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 12:28 pm

crazy_dave23 wrote:As an example I though Adrian Peterson and Aaron Rodgers for RGIII in the keeper league last year was a ridiculous offer which could have been made without adding AP as it was RGIII that number-25 wanted at the time...

i still think it is ridiculous, however ultimately its what happened and both sides ended up happy with it...

it might look lopsided but it might suit the teams involved... it also might not.

Exactly. Can't expect people to be mind readers.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 12:29 pm

Forgot about that deal, the Rams have been struggling this year, surprisingly

by SuperTanker Wed 16 Oct 2013, 2:12 pm

Leedscowboys wrote:Amendola is broke I may need a WR but I don't need an injury prone WR whose career has been beset by injuries.

so you don't rate Amendola. no need to throw the toys out. Could just have easily come back with actual counter or just rejected. I think there was trade potential there (I made the offer). Maybe you don't like Larry either. that's fine, someone else might.

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 4:17 pm

Its not a question of throwing toys out, I showed this trade to a few FF writers and veteran players, and they were all in the same agreement. Its was poor, Amendola when fit is a good WR, but the big question is when fit, he has been injured in every season he has played, he currently has torn 1 adductor muscle and has a tear in his other. In terms of fantasy football and this is what we are playing he has scored in 2/6 games 10 in the first game 5 in his 5th, he has failed to score in 4 games he is currently the 86th ranked WR behind heavyweights such as Cole Beasley, Random Doss and Ace Sanders.

Williams has rushed for 394 yards and has 94 yards in receiving scoring 46.8 pts or an average off less than 8 points per game he has scored 0 TDand loses out to Tolbert in goal line carries at best Williams 1-2nd down back who loses out in the red zone to his QB and Tolbert.

Lacy has less yards but has played 2 games less and averaged just less than 9 points, however in the last 2 games he has averaged more than 100 yards per game, with injuries to 2/3 packers WR, Lacy's work load will increase and so will his red zone carries. As it stand Lacy is now a viable #2 RB and if his current trend continues for the next 5-6 games will become a #1 RB.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 4:27 pm

The fact you had to show others to confirm your opinion shows it wasn't as bad an offer as you originally made it out to be.

When I get a terrible trade offer, I don't need someone to confirm to me that it is bad

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Wed 16 Oct 2013, 4:31 pm

Considering offering Jonathan Franklin for Lacy #yolo

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 4:47 pm

BamBam wrote:The fact you had to show others to confirm your opinion shows it wasn't as bad an offer as you originally made it out to be.

When I get a terrible trade offer, I don't need someone to confirm to me that it is bad

No it was bad, I usually show poor trades to others its a case can you believe this trade.

by CFCNick Wed 16 Oct 2013, 4:49 pm

Let's all send bum trades to everyone to wind each other up!

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 5:29 pm

Not everyone thinks the same though. Did you show the full squads to these FF writers? It's EASY to reject or counter a trade. I can't believe you went to the length of telling writers and veterans plus the rant on here all over a proposed trade. You don't like it, hit reject. Simple. Laugh

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 5:41 pm

Why would I show the squad its the players in question, the fact is you proped a poor trade hoping that I was some Mark and would jump at 2-1 offer.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 5:45 pm

Well if this trade was before this weekend, and you told your beloved writers that you were rolling out Stephen Hill as your 2nd WR and you had 3 other starting quality backs, they may have said different

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 5:49 pm

I personally didn't propose it. Of course the squads matter. If you had 2 strong rb's then Lacy's value would be less to you than someone with rubbish rb's. Another thing that matters is your record. People start planning for playoff runs/championship games well in advance. Maybe someone doesn't mind stashing someone like Amendola in the hope that he comes up big in the playoffs. Obviously that's not you but no need to publicise it. Trade proposals should be kept private within the league.

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 5:53 pm

Say different to what Amendola is poor FF wise 15 points over 6 games Is 2.5 points a game or 25 yards, whilst Hill is outscored him by 2-1.

by mikeygnfl Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:03 pm

BamBam wrote:I generally go in with a lowish offer, if the other person is willing to trade that player and like someone on my team they will generally make a counter, so a negotiation can begin!

Same here. Bid low then haggle.

by mikeygnfl Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:03 pm

BamBam wrote:I generally go in with a lowish offer, if the other person is willing to trade that player and like someone on my team they will generally make a counter, so a negotiation can begin!

Same here. Bid low then haggle.

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:04 pm

When do you think Amendola will come good? He is not a Crabtree/Harvin/Cobb an elite WR who will see 6+ games. Amendola is a slot WR a poor mans Weller who holds value in PPR leagues, but he will never stretch the field or be red zone threat even if healthy.

I published it because it was poor, laughable, in my initial post you will note I say if you offer a weak trade I won't even respond. The fact I called the trade out for being weak and perhaps making other players wary of getting in a trade. It was poor at best and trying to justify somehow that an injury prone wr who has scored 15 points in 6 games and only once hitting double digits ff score wise is a good trade for a consensus teams #1 RB with a bit part other RB makes it even.

by BamBam Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:08 pm

No one said you had to accept it because it was such a brilliant offer, I even said I wouldn't have accepted it either.

I just don't think it was bad enough for you to post a rant about it, especially when you are naming the manager involved by stating which players were involved

by CFCNick Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:10 pm

Leedscowboys wrote:When do you think Amendola will come good? He is not a Crabtree/Harvin/Cobb an elite WR who will see 6+ games. Amendola is a slot WR a poor mans Weller who holds value in PPR leagues, but he will never stretch the field or be red zone threat even if healthy.

I published it because it was poor, laughable, in my initial post you will note I say if you offer a weak trade I won't even respond.The fact I called the trade out for being weak and perhaps making other players wary of getting in a trade. It was poor at best and trying to justify somehow that an injury prone wr who has scored 15 points in 6 games and only once hitting double digits ff score wise is a good trade for a consensus teams #1 RB with a bit part other RB makes it even.

You did respond though. Gently remove your tampon and stop acting like a bitchy woman.

by RDuncan8 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:12 pm

All your opinion, which is fine. How does he know that you rank Lacy so highly? Lets say you were open to trading Lacy, why not negotiate back and ask for a better WR or reject it and tell him privately that you think it's rubbish. Surely a better way to handle things rather than deliberately not responding (d1ck move) or calling it out publically (d1ck move).

by Leedscowboys Wed 16 Oct 2013, 6:23 pm

I stand by post bitchy or otherwise. Hence don't be that guy.

by twelve283 Wed 16 Oct 2013, 7:00 pm

Visiting from the East, just stuck my head in to see what was going on in the West...

The topic of trading + trade etiquette is a favourite of mine. Not responding to a trade offer is usually seen as bad form and low-ball offers are often seen in a similar bad light.

As far as low-ball offers go everyone's done it but it doesn't make you look very good. There are plenty of good reasons for why it's bad business to low-ball.

If I reject a trade because the values are different from my own or I have no interest in dealing a player i'll try and write a note explaining this. This is good etiquette IMO.

I find it's difficult to get right because, in my experience, everyone overvalues their players and no one wants to end up on the wrong side of a trade. Rather than looking for mutually beneficial trades everyone wants an edge. I have no problem admitting I suck when it comes to trades and much prefer to manage my roster through the WW, especially in deep leagues like we have here.

My $0.02 FWIW.

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