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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 11:44 am

TIME   BST      EVENT                ROUND

16:00 13:00 W         Javelin Throw             Final
16:15 13:15 W         4x100 Metres Relay Heats
16:45 13:45 M         Triple Jump                 Final
16:50 13:50 M          4x100 Metres Relay Heats
17:25 14:25 M         1500 Metres                Final
17:50 14:50 W         800 Metres                 Final
18:10 15:10 W         4x100 Metres Relay      Final
18:40 15:40 M         4x100 Metres Relay      Final

What are Peoples' thoughts on the action to come?

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 1:36 pm

GB women through to the final of the relay, despite some messy changes. I'm not too sure about this idea of not putting your best individual runners in the relays on the basis they haven't practised the changeovers so much. I know the baton changes are important, but no Philips or Williams weakens the team considerably surely? Same with Dasaolu in the men.

The women have an outside chance of grabbing a bronze medal, while the men probably should get it.

Best of luck to O'Hare in the 1500.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 1:54 pm

Good from the men: 38.13, somewhat surprisingly beating the Jamaicans (who obviously didn't have anything like their strongest team out). Would expect Gemili to come in for the final, surely? Could go under 38 seconds with him and a better lane.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 3:15 pm

USA make a mess of the changes and GB are 2nd handing over for the last runner, but unfortunately the French and Americans come back and GB finish 4th. Really hate to say I told you so, but had Williams or Philips been running that last leg they would probably have got second. Really don't get the point of depriving ourselves of our best two runners for a relay at all furious

EDIT: France could be in trouble there for a dodgy changeover from the second to the third runner, so GB could still sneak a medal...

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 3:46 pm

and a bronze to finish in the men's relay. HAA and Ellington make a mess of their changeover but just get it in legally, and Chambers makes a lovely finish to take bronze. Had that changeover been good GB would almost certainly have broken the British record and might well have been in the hunt for a sliver, but nonetheless it was a good performance.

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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:01 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:and a bronze to finish in the men's relay. HAA and Ellington make a mess of their changeover but just get it in legally, and Chambers makes a lovely finish to take bronze. Had that changeover been good GB would almost certainly have broken the British record and might well have been in the hunt for a sliver, but nonetheless it was a good performance.
Definitely: great Bronze but could've been Silver!

That last changeover for the US was one of the worst legal changes I've seen egg which left Bolt making Gaitlin look Doh 

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:15 pm

What is it about GB relays?

It has to be a top 2 inches thing?

Brilliant run all for nothing because of the change-overs again.

Rolling Eyes

I can see the logic of having a team which have practised the change-overs being picked ahead of our fastest 100m runner only if all the practising actually pays off.

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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:34 pm

MrsP wrote:What is it about GB relays?

It has to be a top 2 inches thing?

Brilliant run all for nothing because of the change-overs again.

Rolling Eyes

I can see the logic of having a team which have practised the change-overs being picked ahead of our fastest 100m runner only if all the practising actually pays off.
Agree; not having Dasalou in the relay was a difficult one for me. Because of a lack of practise, he could have, and should have, been stuck on the end of the relay, where there's only one changeover required, just like the lead-off, except that Dasalou wouldn't have to do the bend as the lead-off would and could run the straight, like he is used to doing for the 100m ( being a 100m speciclist and rarely running the 200m )...


My line up would have been Gemili, Chambers, Ellington / HAA ( Ellington being a 200m specialist is more used to running the bend - but HAA has the faster 100m time ), and ending with Dasalou...

Wounder Shocked and Doh and a bit of Erm and finally, some of Tumbleweed

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:41 pm

DQ for GB. First time I saw the replay it looked OK but obviously wasn't. Still not sure how France got away with theirs in the women's either.

I agree with the above that in theory it makes sense for GB to have "specialised" relay runners, but in practise it doesn't seem to work. I wonder if GB are over-intellectualising the whole changeover thing, and could they not try to simplify it instead?

I stand by my point that it makes no sense not to have your best runners in a relay in any case. The women's changeovers were OK (nothing special) but to deprive yourself of your three best runners (Onuora missing with injury) is just silly, and almost certainly cost them a medal here.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:48 pm

Strawberry Jam wrote:
MrsP wrote:What is it about GB relays?

It has to be a top 2 inches thing?

Brilliant run all for nothing because of the change-overs again.

Rolling Eyes

I can see the logic of having a team which have practised the change-overs being picked ahead of our fastest 100m runner only if all the practising actually pays off.
Agree; not having Dasalou in the relay was a difficult one for me. Because of a lack of practise, he could have, and should have, been stuck on the end of the relay, where there's only one changeover required, just like the lead-off, except that Dasalou wouldn't have to do the bend as the lead-off would and could run the straight, like he is used to doing for the 100m ( being a 100m speciclist and rarely running the 200m )...


My line up would have been Gemili, Chambers, Ellington / HAA ( Ellington being a 200m specialist is more used to running the bend - but HAA has the faster 100m time ), and ending with Dasalou...

Wounder :shock:and :doh:and a bit of Erm and finally, some of Tumbleweed
Ideally I'd have liked Gemili running the second leg (the longest and Gemili has good speed endurance, better surely than HAA or Chambers). Dasaolu is a very fast starter, so maybe have him leading off (though he's not used to running bends as you say). Otherwise Chambers, also a decent starter. Then Ellington on the bend, and Chambers/Dasaolu to finish off.

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:50 pm

I think the changeovers are a vital part of a relay but they just seem to have become a huge obstacle for Team GB. This time it did seem to be a different problem than in the past with Harry AA leaving it a stride or 2 too late to re-adjust the position of the baton in his hand.

Still, it really isn't as difficult as our teams make it look.

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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 4:58 pm

Mad for Chelsea wrote:
Strawberry Jam wrote:
MrsP wrote:What is it about GB relays?

It has to be a top 2 inches thing?

Brilliant run all for nothing because of the change-overs again.

Rolling Eyes

I can see the logic of having a team which have practised the change-overs being picked ahead of our fastest 100m runner only if all the practising actually pays off.
Agree; not having Dasalou in the relay was a difficult one for me. Because of a lack of practise, he could have, and should have, been stuck on the end of the relay, where there's only one changeover required, just like the lead-off, except that Dasalou wouldn't have to do the bend as the lead-off would and could run the straight, like he is used to doing for the 100m ( being a 100m speciclist and rarely running the 200m )...


My line up would have been Gemili, Chambers, Ellington / HAA ( Ellington being a 200m specialist is more used to running the bend - but HAA has the faster 100m time ), and ending with Dasalou...

Wounder :shock:and :doh:and a bit of Erm and finally, some of Tumbleweed
Ideally I'd have liked Gemili running the second leg (the longest and Gemili has good speed endurance, better surely than HAA or Chambers). Dasaolu is a very fast starter, so maybe have him leading off (though he's not used to running bends as you say). Otherwise Chambers, also a decent starter. Then Ellington on the bend, and Chambers/Dasaolu to finish off.
Good point regarding Gemili on the 2nd - longer - leg as a result of his speed endurance.

Chambers must be very close to retirement. Felt that this might be his last year, but does he have one more year left possibly? [ Will be sad when he retires; he'd pulled himself together and, in my opinion, made up for his earlier transgression ]

Great that we have Dasalou and Gemili. There are a number of others about, but none standing out like these two. Will be interesting to see who out of the rest is able to pull themselves up to contend. Will most definitiely help the 4 x100m relay for sure...

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 5:12 pm

...but only if they can get the blooming baton round the track legally!!!!!

Doh 

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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 5:22 pm

MrsP wrote:...but only if they can get the blooming baton round the track legally!!!!!

Doh 
Doh indeed Very Happy 

Now that we've found a nice little loophole in the 606v2 universe, perhaps we should set up regular Athletics threads here in the Other Sports section? We have the rest of the Diamond League season ahead, and think there will be some performances and head-to-heads worth noting ( especially some of our up-and-coming young athletes )

Time to grab a cuppa and some cake 

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 5:32 pm

Indeed.

Maybe we could even persuade the mods to give us an Athletics section again?

3 more Diamond Leagues and some great age group stuff like Bedford, YDL and UK School Games still to come should give us some good stuff to talk about. Are you guys involved or just spectators?

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Post by Dave. on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 7:11 pm

Well...at least the ladies won a medal! The French are DQ'ed, funny when it looked like the American changeover was dodgy.

3 Golds, 3 bronzes, 7th in the table. Some might say there's an over reliance on Mo/Christine but most countries do that - Jamaica's 6 golds all came from Bolt and SAFP. A special mention for Rob Heffernan - legend, and I hear good things about the Letterkenny athlete, English.

Future is bright!

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Post by Strawberry Jam on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 8:05 pm

MrsP wrote:Indeed.

Maybe we could even persuade the mods to give us an Athletics section again?

3 more Diamond Leagues and some great age group stuff like Bedford, YDL and UK School Games still to come should give us some good stuff to talk about. Are you guys involved or just spectators?
Spectator ( have been a fan ever since I was old enough to be interested in any sport ). Had a go at middle distances when I was younger. But never much good.

Just recently got involved in a project with Birchfield Harriers, so learned a lot about the history of the club, and the work they're doing now...but that's as far as it is presently...

Had a correspondence with the Mods a few months back. They're not in a rush to reinstate the original Athletics thread, though they're not against the idea either. Worth lobbying for though OK 

Anyway, I'm a huge athletics fan and enjoy opportunities to watch and discuss / debate Smile 

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 8:25 pm

Mark English has had a super season. Ran 1.44.84 in the Diamond League in London in July .Rose- Anne Galligan also broke Sonya O'S's long standing record with a 2.00.58 in the same meet.


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Post by Dave. on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 8:29 pm

I'm a watcher of it too - never really been good at any sport.

My Dad likes it, and it followed from there. First memory - probably Sally Gunnell at Atlanta 96, albeit patchy. Sonia as well that year - didn't go well for either of them.

Since then, always loved it.

MrsP, this will be an age related question (sorry!) , but do you remember the 1982 UK Champs at the Antrim Forum? My dad went there, saw Ovett (he was an Ovett fan), still regrets not getting his autograph.....

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 8:40 pm

No I don't remember those champs. I was still at school at that stage and more interested in Hockey and Gymnastics.

I do remember a fairly big meet at MPT while I was at Uni. A guy a bit ahead of me was competing and there were a lot of biggish names there. Hopefully we will see a few more meets of that standard at the new track now it has been refurbished and is of international standard. Certainly the athletes who did compete at the International Opening Event were seriously impressed and felt it was a track that would prodice some really fast times.

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Post by Dave. on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 8:53 pm

Well that is good. I've left Queen's now but the president of QUB athletics did my course - they didn't have the track last year.

Is James McIlroy still running?

Ahh that reminds me. I've met Dame Mary. At a school prize-giving, a really nice person.

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Post by MrsP on Sun 18 Aug 2013, 9:04 pm

I have not seen James on the track, he may do some road running, but there are a crowd of younger McIlroys from BAAC competing. They are probably too old to be his kids but they must be related I would think.

Certainly one of them is a very good Shot Putter and sprinter which is an unusual combo. He is a good rugby player too from what I hear.

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Post by MrsP on Fri 23 Aug 2013, 11:52 am

Perri Shakes-Drayton ran 300m of her 400m Hurdles with a ruptured ACL!!!!!

If you watch the race see seems to land a bit awkwardly off the second hurdle and is limping after that. How on earth she managed to run at all let alone hurdle is a bit of a mystery.


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