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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:21 am

Here are the fixtures for the UK and EIRE teams:

Group A - Wales v Macedonia (1945 BST)

Group C - Germany v Republic of Ireland (1945)

Group F - Azerbaijan v Northern Ireland (1700)

Group H - England v Montenegro (2000)



My predictions?

Wales and NI to both draw 1-1

ROI to lose 2-0

England to win 3-1

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Post by westisbest Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:29 am

Think we may score in Germany.

No doubt lose. Cant qualify.

Glad to see Reid, Stokes back in the squad.

3-1 Germany.

Wales 2 macedonia 1 or reverse scoreline.
Azerbajian 2 NI 1

England 2 Montenegro 1.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:44 am

In Roy we trust.
God Save the Queen.
No backward steps, no retreat, no surrender.
England till I die.
3 Lions with pride.

Come on England!

England to win 4-0, and Hodgson to shove two fingers up to the critics.

Rio here we come.

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:46 am

Just out of interest why do you love the queen so much Duty?

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:07 am

Because the monarchy is part of our country, and has been for over a thousand years. It links us to the great past of our nation. Our monarchy is the envy of many other nations. As is our history.

God Save the Queen.

On another note, there's quite a few rumours that Hodgson will start with Lampard in the middle, rather than Wilshere. Surely not?

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:01 pm

Fe godwn ni eto. Gorau Chwarae Cyd Chwarae

Cymru am byth

COME ON WALES Wales

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:04 pm

Yes go on Wales, try not to finish below Macedonia!

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Post by CFCNick Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:06 pm

I don't give a damn what the score is tonight. Just as long as England get the three points.

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:11 pm

Duty281 wrote:Yes go on Wales, try not to finish below Macedonia!
We are rubbish I cannot deny that

Given the way we lost our previous manager and now sadly Coleman is just not up to the job things are not going to change anytime soon either

I will still cheer on my country without having to feel mocked though ok Duty

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:12 pm

CFCNick wrote:I don't give a damn what the score is tonight. Just as long as England get the three points
England will qualify in first place

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Post by owen10ozzy Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:35 pm

I hope we lose...and I don't care if that makes me unpatriotic! The best thing to happen to our national team and football in general in this country is for us to fail to qualify! Perhaps then people will sit up and take note!

I like the fact Hodgson has claimed we will play with a high tempo and attack Montenegro, yet the starting line up in midfield will be Gerrard, Lampard, Milner! 3 of the least mobile players in the squad! May have sturridge, rooney and welbeck up front but that means nothing if they aren't given the chances and are left isolated which i think they will be.

Expect us to scrape through looking very ordinary, possibly draw...qualify and then go to Brazil with over inflated hopes of victory and a crox of 'retired' players to decide they can still cut it and offer something at International level!

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:42 pm

Steffan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Yes go on Wales, try not to finish below Macedonia!
We are rubbish I cannot deny that

Given the way we lost our previous manager and now sadly Coleman is just not up to the job things are not going to change anytime soon either

I will still cheer on my country without having to feel mocked though ok Duty
Oh lighten up Steffan. I don't complain when you put up your Brazil or Denmark flags.

In my perfect world, we'd have a Welsh football team good enough to qualify for every World Cup. I bear no malice, merely warmth and kindness.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:45 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:I hope we lose...and I don't care if that makes me unpatriotic! The best thing to happen to our national team and football in general in this country is for us to fail to qualify! Perhaps then people will sit up and take note!

I like the fact Hodgson has claimed we will play with a high tempo and attack Montenegro, yet the starting line up in midfield will be Gerrard, Lampard, Milner! 3 of the least mobile players in the squad! May have sturridge, rooney and welbeck up front but that means nothing if they aren't given the chances and are left isolated which i think they will be.

Expect us to scrape through looking very ordinary, possibly draw...qualify and then go to Brazil with over inflated hopes of victory and a crox of 'retired' players to decide they can still cut it and offer something at International level!
Never, never, never give in.

A very ordinary looking England team went off to Italy in 1990. English football was in the gutter, and Bobby Robson's name was mud.

They came back as heroes, having reached the semi-finals. England were one inch of woodwork from making the final.

This England team are far better than that one. This England team can achieve.

Believe.

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Post by owen10ozzy Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:56 pm

I admire your passion and undying belief Duty, sadly your part of the problem! Settling for an average national team and continuously allowing those in the game to think our national set up is world class and can go off and win world cups...sadly that isn't the case and until both fans and people with a real say in the game begin to stand up and tell the FA that they are a useless bunch of yes men conjured up to stroke one another's egos nothing will change!

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:02 pm

I must ask then, if our national system is that bad, how have we produced some of these highly-rated players?

Paul Scholes (Rated very highly by a lot of fellow pros)
Joe Hart (I think it's Buffon who rates him as one of the world's best)
Paul Gascoigne (No words needed)
Frank Lampard (An ever present in one of the leading clubs in Europe)
Steven Gerrard (Possibly Liverpool's best player)
Wayne Rooney (United's leading goalscorer under Ferguson)
Joe Cole (Technically superb)
David Beckham (Played for United, Madrid and Milan)

I'm sure there's plenty more as well. The likes of Owen, Terry, Cole, Rio, Neville, Waddle, Sheringham, Barnes, Robson, Charlton, Moore, Banks, etc.

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Post by owen10ozzy Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:11 pm

Lampard has never recaptured his club form on the International scene. The same can be said for Rooney who bar Euro 2004 has looked hugely average at every major tournament since.

Joe Cole was technically one of the best players we produced since Gazza, he very rarely got a chance to shine and was often played out of position when he was fit.

Their is also a case of, is it the players who are great or those around them who make them look great. You couldn't honestly sit here and tell me the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Rio and plenty of others from the Golden Generation ever looked as good for England as they did for their clubs....

Even your reasons themselves point out the fact they are all rated at club level...

Individually we have very good players, but as a unit they have never produced over the past 15 years, that for is a combination of poor tactics, ego's in the dressing room and certain players being found out when they are not surrounded by foreign talent from the clubs they turn out for each and every week!

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Post by JamesLincs Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:12 pm

we failed to qualify in 2007, has anything significantly changed since then?

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:14 pm

owen10ozzy wrote:Lampard has never recaptured his club form on the International scene. The same can be said for Rooney who bar Euro 2004 has looked hugely average at every major tournament since.

Joe Cole was technically one of the best players we produced since Gazza, he very rarely got a chance to shine and was often played out of position when he was fit.

Their is also a case of, is it the players who are great or those around them who make them look great. You couldn't honestly sit here and tell me the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney, Rio and plenty of others from the Golden Generation ever looked as good for England as they did for their clubs....

Even your reasons themselves point out the fact they are all rated at club level...

Individually we have very good players, but as a unit they have never produced over the past 15 years, that for is a combination of poor tactics, ego's in the dressing room and certain players being found out when they are not surrounded by foreign talent from the clubs they turn out for each and every week!
Exactly. We have the talent, we produce the talent. It's now a case of utilising that talent, and getting the best out of them. Something England have, so far, failed to achieve. If it is achieved, then England can do well.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:15 pm

JamesLincs wrote:we failed to qualify in 2007, has anything significantly changed since then?
We have a better manager, and a better team. Coupled with lesser expectations, I would say England have taken several steps forward.

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Post by JamesLincs Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:26 pm

absolutely love your passion, but i have to completely disagree with you. weve been standing still since the 90's and going backwards for the last 10 years. it does look like we are trying to stop that reverse motion though, but its going to take many, many years before we can be serious contenders to win major tournaments

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:08 pm

INJURY NEWS:

Tom Cleverley is out of both of England's qualifiers.

I must admit, I'm not going to cry too much!

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:36 pm

Wilshire won't be starting. 

I don't want a rigid 4 4 2 from hodgson!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:48 pm

@physioroom: (via @OliverKayTimes) #England Team : Hart; Walker, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines; Gerrard, Lampard; Townsend, Rooney, Welbeck; Sturridge

That's a team I wanna watch on the move!

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:49 pm

That is seriously attacking!

good!

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:55 pm

Roy Hodgson has lost all reservation. He's going to point at Montenegro's goal, and say attack! He's got some balls, I'll give him that. Playing a debutant in a crucial world cup qualifier. Similar to when he played Oxlade against France.

He's not negative Roy any more!

England 4 nil Eastern Europe

As I'm slightly Brahms and List right now, you can't take my opinion too seriously. Obviously.
Well done Roy.

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:57 pm

Seen this earlier and thought of you lot:

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:57 pm

If that is his team then you might be spot on! smashed or not!!

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:01 pm

I think NI , wales and england will win tonight.


Ireland have a mountain to climb!!!- but i think they will  keep it tight and last ditch defend and just lose out on a draw in the 90th minute!!(

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:06 pm

I hope this comes off ya know.

If it does then England may play woth more positive intent at the WC.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:08 pm

6 attacking players in the team plus an attacking left back shows intent(that or that Hodgson has finally lost his mind and gone completely the other way!!)

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:11 pm

And Kyle Walker.
And Cahill likes to pass the ball.

Maybe Keegan's picked the team?

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:16 pm

AZE V NI 0-0 
 16 MINS

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:32 pm

The Aze keeper is having a good day. NI on top

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:56 pm

Wales v Macedonia 0-0 so far. Come on Montenegro

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:08 pm

England have  started in good spirits. No finished article as yet , but its aggressive stuff

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:22 pm

Baines is running the show on the left!


Coe on england - make this count!

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:25 pm

All England so far. Come on Monte sort it out boys

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:27 pm

ukraine have scored late v poland, england haven't scored yet!!


Its getting a little bit less comfortable!!!

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:27 pm

Why aren't you watching wales Steffan?

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:28 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Why aren't you watching wales Steffan?
Been ill so havnt gone down to the match

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:29 pm

It must be on telly?

no?

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:29 pm

mystiroakey wrote:It must be on telly?

no?
Sky Sports. Which I dont have. 'Watching it' on BBC text plus got radio on

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:30 pm

oh ok

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:32 pm

Basically the greedy wasters at the FAW sold our soul to Sky after BBC Wales had stuck by them for years. Disgrace and now fans like me who usually go to the matches are not able to watch it unless we are there. Wasters

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Post by Ent Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:38 pm

Steffan wrote:Basically the greedy wasters at the FAW sold our soul to Sky after BBC Wales had stuck by them for years. Disgrace and now fans like me who usually go to the matches are not able to watch it unless we are there. Wasters
Get sky then.

Not sure I've ever seen England this on top in a game - yet they don't look like scoring.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:39 pm

We have to somehow try and draw them out or get a long range shot in. Monte are doing a chelsea CL special against us at the moment- well set in defence

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Post by CFCNick Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:40 pm

Sky are the evil empire. They will not get a penny from me ever again (other than the small portion they take from Virgin for me to have free SSN).

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:40 pm

ANd we did, but couldn't capitalise!!!

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Post by Steffan Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:41 pm

Ent wrote:
Steffan wrote:Basically the greedy wasters at the FAW sold our soul to Sky after BBC Wales had stuck by them for years. Disgrace and now fans like me who usually go to the matches are not able to watch it unless we are there. Wasters
Get sky then
Wont pay the astronomical fees into Murdochs pocket just for a few football matches. Money is tight as it is as well

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Oct 11, 2013 8:41 pm

we need to just keep sticking to the wings- walker and baines are ruling those areas

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