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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

Now the actual comment itself, no harm whatsoever in my mind. Blown completely out of proportion by the media.

But apparantly there was a player who leaked this, which leads to the question of who?

Now the player who leaked joke to press must be a) already comfortable/cosy with journos and b) have reasons for grudge w/ Hodgson.

Story came out in The Sun, one would assume the player would have connections with them. He might have a history of doing it. I can;t see one of the younger players risking themselves either.

I think the signs point to Super Frank personally. Wouldn't be the first time he's kicked up a fuss after being benched *cough* AVB *cough*
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Post by super_realist Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:50 pm

You get the point though.

People are just determined to make tenuous links for the sake of a pathetic story.

It's akin to making a statement that someone must be gay because they were seen in a pink shirt. That's how ridiculous this whole thing is.


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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:55 pm

Does anyone want my opinion?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:04 pm

super_realist wrote:You get the point though.

People are just determined to make tenuous links for the sake of a pathetic story.

It's akin to making a statement that someone must be gay because they were seen in a pink shirt. That's how ridiculous this whole thing is.

I think people use racism as a way to just get attention eg newspapers can sell more copies if they print stories of racism even if no racist incident happened and certain groups gain more publicity by arguing that a famous person said something racist.

The newspapers and the groups dont care about racism they just care about making money.

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:06 pm

azania wrote:Does anyone want my opinion?
Actually, yes, I'd be very interested in your opinion as someone who is a) actively opposed to racism and b) the only poster that I'm aware of who is black.

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:51 pm

Much ado about nothing. Media mischief. Any intelligent person would have understood what Hodgson was saying. So that narrows it to the 22 man squad and the coaching staff.

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Post by spencerclarke Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:11 pm

Well said az. To be honest mate reading this thread I thought you were going to come along and say the opposite. I'll hold my hands up I was wrong. Just like my boxing predictions :-)

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:17 pm

It does worry me that I appear to be on the same side as a neo fascist like duty. On the same side but for widely differing reasons. 'He' sees nada wrong with referring to a black man as a monkey.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:30 pm

Azania isn't it enough that you embarrassed yourself on another thread in the boxing forum?

Although I am actually curious, I must admit, to why 'he' is put in quotations.

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:46 pm

Because neo fascists are sub human.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:49 pm

Good thing I'm not one then.

Azania's childish response coming in 3, 2, 1...

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:53 pm

If you say so. Your views are certainly similar to theirs. But you say you're not so I'll accept it.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:58 pm

Whatever you say Azania.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:59 pm

azania wrote:It does worry me that I appear to be on the same side as a neo fascist like duty. On the same side but for widely differing reasons. 'He' sees nada wrong with referring to a black man as a monkey.
Why do you ruin every thread with your childish insults? You are meant to be a fully grown man yet you feel the need to insult Duty on every thread who is a teenager who has just turned 18.

just grow up!!!

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:03 pm

Oops my stalker has found me. But to be blunt; shut up.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:05 pm

azania wrote:Oops my stalker has found me. But to be blunt; shut up.
I really don't get you, this thread was creating some great discussion and everyone was being pleasant talking about a sensitive issue and you come along and start calling people racists and fascists and start telling people to shut up.


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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:08 pm

So how are you improving it? I'm not telling people to shut up, I'm telling you to shut up. So pipe down and comment on the thread as opposed to commenting about me.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:10 pm

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
azania wrote:Does anyone want my opinion?
Actually, yes, I'd be very interested in your opinion as someone who is a) actively opposed to racism and b) the only poster that I'm aware of who is black.
It's probably best not to invite AZ to share his view next time as it basically just gives him a licence to ruin threads.

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Post by azania Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:28 pm

You respond to someone else yet still mention me. Comment on the OP.

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Post by Duty281 Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:41 pm

azania wrote:So how are you improving it? I'm not telling people to shut up,  I'm telling you to shut up.  So pipe down and comment on the thread as opposed to commenting about me.

Cheers
So why were you commenting on me and not the thread?

Oh the irony.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:43 pm

SOMEBODY CALL A MOD, THE KIDS ARE RUINING IT FOR US ALL

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Post by Rowley Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:55 pm

Fear not dolphin I am here now. Is as reassuring as knowing John Mclaine is kicking around when things get a bit rowdy.

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Post by Guest Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:02 pm

No fu**ing s**t lady, do I sound like I'm ordering a Pizza? Very Happy 

This whole ridiculous story is boring. Basically we all know what's going to happen. Fly to Brazil, day before the first group game, journalist reveals the 'leak' or a rival paper finds out & it all gets published. It's typical media, typical England 'blow up in our faces' moment just before the action really starts, that will probably derail the team & end up sending us home early.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:03 pm

Can we not just ban azania forever already? I mean he's made a good point then he goes and descends the whole thread for no reason whatsoever. Ridiculous
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:24 pm

If you ban him, you're racist. Probably.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:05 pm

This thread is just as stupid as this whole incident.

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:06 am

Why would I not invite Azania to offer his view, when I think it's likely to be interesting and offer a different perspective on the debate? Surely that's the purpose off a forum?

As for the charge that he's ruined the thread, I think you've played your own party in that too. Yes, Azania made a cheap remark about Duty. However, why did you need to jump in? If Duty was offended, I'm sure he's more than capable of replying, or of letting the mods know.

The main problem this forum suffers from is members carrying vendettas from thread to thread. I would include Azania, you and Duty in their number. That not only sees threads descend as this one has, but also stifles debate.

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Post by Duty281 Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:22 am

I have no "vendetta" against Azania. I never say anything to provoke him; it's just him.

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Post by Rowley Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:27 am

Can we move on and discuss the topic rather than each other?

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Post by super_realist Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:42 am

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:Why would I not invite Azania to offer his view, when I think it's likely to be interesting and offer a different perspective on the debate? Surely that's the purpose off a forum?

As for the charge that he's ruined the thread, I think you've played your own party in that too. Yes, Azania made a cheap remark about Duty. However, why did you need to jump in? If Duty was offended, I'm sure he's more than capable of replying, or of letting the mods know.

The main problem this forum suffers from is members carrying vendettas from thread to thread. I would include Azania, you and Duty in their number. That not only sees threads descend as this one has, but also stifles debate.
Let's stop all this synthetic outrage and faux-fence shall we lads? That's exactly how this entire Hodgson-Monkey situation arose.

No one, journalists, Society for Black Lawyers are offended in the least. They just pretend to be for a number of reasons.

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Post by Duty281 Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:02 pm

Oh I wasn't offended; rather I was slightly annoyed that Azania was trying to derail the thread - like last time.

And back on topic, I see Andros Townsend has called it "negative, silly news" which is surely more than enough to consider this matter closed. Of course, I doubt the media will drop this story and I doubt it'll be the last we hear of it. As John says, it'll be mentioned just before the world cup.

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Post by super_realist Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:31 pm

Whether it is mentioned or not before the World Cup is pretty irrelevant, it won't make a difference to England.

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Post by Duty281 Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:18 pm

Now Greg Dyke is having to defend the commission because it's all-white and all-male.

In a perfect left-wing Labour party world, you'd have an equal number of men and women, an equal number of straight and gay people, and an equal number of white and non-white people. You'd have lots of token appointments.

Sensible people will realise that regardless of colour, religion, race, gender, sexuality - you pick the best people for the job and you don't give a flick about personal traits.

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Post by CFCNick Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:26 pm

I think it's fair to say that just because the panel are all white and all male doesn't mean they'll stop coloured people play for England for Christ's sake! There's more non whites in the England team.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:00 pm

I read that Welbeck told Rio ferdinand and then Rio told the papers to get some revenge on Roy due to Roy dropping him in favour of Terry for the Euros.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:00 am

Duty281 wrote:Sensible people will realise that regardless of colour, religion, race, gender, sexuality - you pick the best people for the job and you don't give a flick about personal traits.
No such thing as sensible people nowadays. It's like disabled people being given a guaranteed interview, regardless of their suitability for the role. The world is now lost to idiots.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:16 am

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Sensible people will realise that regardless of colour, religion, race, gender, sexuality - you pick the best people for the job and you don't give a flick about personal traits.
No such thing as sensible people nowadays. It's like disabled people being given a guaranteed interview, regardless of their suitability for the role. The world is now lost to idiots.
I beleve that there should be more ethnic minorities and females and disabled people in positions of power or with higher roles within businesses but I don't think discriminating against white people or men or able-bodied people is the way to do it. You can't fight discrimination by discriminating.

I believe the way to address the lack of ethnics or women or disabled people in the above roles is to increase social mobility. More funding for primary schools in disadvantaged areas, more schemes like EMA which incentivise education for disadvantaged teenagers and more grants for students at university who come from a disadvantaged background.

Large businesses have become so international and so money driven that in 95% of cases they will employ the best person for the job so that the company can succeed and make more money. If you give people from an ethnic background or disadvantaged background more opportunities to get educated then in the long run that will result in more people from ethnic or disadvantaged backgrounds getting higher jobs.


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Post by Duty281 Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:13 pm

Roy Hodgson and racist Rio have now joined the FA commission.

No longer all-white, but it's still all-male.

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Post by CFCNick Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:29 pm

They couldn't have gotten a smarter black player then I take it? Dear lord. Rio's intelligence is about the depth of a children's paddling pool. They were gonna put Clarke Carlisle on as the PFA rep but obviously he's retired but don't understand why they couldn't have included him.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:33 pm

Rio is a bad choice due to the fact he snubbed playing for england and he also was racist towards ashley cole calling him a choc-ice.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:57 pm

Duty281 wrote:Now Greg Dyke is having to defend the commission because it's all-white and all-male.

In a perfect left-wing Labour party world, you'd have an equal number of men and women, an equal number of straight and gay people, and an equal number of white and non-white people. You'd have lots of token appointments.

Sensible people will realise that regardless of colour, religion, race, gender, sexuality - you pick the best people for the job and you don't give a flick about personal traits.
I spoke about this whole commission on the latest football podcast! Yet again it's something set up which will serve no purpose what so ever! How many times does a country require a commission to decide upon and come up with solutions to the countries international wilderness!

Hoddle was appointed to appease the media and fans and detract attention from the fact the rest of the commission was made up of people vastly out of touch with both international and modern football!

1 day after someone speaking out about a lack of black people on the panel we strangely get Rio joining the panel. I am actually just as frustrated with him as I am with the FA given he will no doubt just become another yes man of the FA, earning his crust and happily nodding his head like the dog from churchill!

Our whole set up is so vastly behind times its not only scary but embarrassing to boot!

Black, White, Female, Transexual I couldn't care less just set up a panel which will actually spend all the time which this one will and end up with some kind of resolution, which this one wont! I am sick to the back teeth of money being spent on commissions that do sod all!

I am sick to the back teeth of a group of yes men and suits who have no idea what to do and purely join because they can gain some chump change...if truth be told the best thing to do for the sake of our countries national team is to give control of it to the Premier League...given ultimately they decide the fate of the team.

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Post by Duty281 Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:14 pm

The FA are quite possibly talking to Hope Powell now to join the commission - it won't be all-male then!

On the subject of the commission, like you say Owen, it will serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever as it quite simply will not achieve anything meaningful...or anything at all. Waste of money. Waste of time.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:03 pm

Rio Ferdinand shouldn't be there IMO as he is still an active player.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:06 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Rio Ferdinand shouldn't be there IMO as he is still an active player.
Why is Roy Hodgson on an fa committe to improve the national team when he is the manager of the national team? surely his job as manager of england should be to improve england!!

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Post by Duty281 Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:23 pm

Two jobs at once - Roy can do it all!

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Post by Rowley Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:41 am

Have to say coming when it did Rio's appointment does smack ever so slightly of tokenism. However can't eally say he is a worse appointment than many of the others on the panel. O'Grady is clearly a fine coach but is 72 and has zero experience of coaching or managing at the very highest level. As for Howard Wilkinson, he has been involved in the FA set up for god only knows how long now, one would have to think over those years he has had enough platforms to put forward his ideas and did he have some magic formula for us succeeding he may have suggested it already.

As Ozzy has said I really could not care the colour gender or anything else of the panel, only their competency should be a concern and I struggle to see how the names involved will acheive anything or cause any great leap forwards

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:32 am

NickisBHAFC wrote:Rio Ferdinand shouldn't be there IMO as he is still an active player.
I think he's a great appointment. Who better to advise on what players need than a player? And he's learned from Sir Alex, a succession of England managers, he's doing his coaching badges, and he's intelligent.

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:20 pm

Azzy Mahmood wrote:
NickisBHAFC wrote:Rio Ferdinand shouldn't be there IMO as he is still an active player.
I think he's a great appointment. Who better to advise on what players need than a player? And he's learned from Sir Alex, a succession of England managers, he's doing his coaching badges, and he's intelligent.

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Post by Guest Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:21 pm

In terms of football. Not in terms of intellect Laugh

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Post by super_realist Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:24 pm

Seems a bit odd to set up a commission with the remit of improving England's fortunes and then fill it with people who have routinely failed to manage that in the past.

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Post by CFCNick Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:39 pm

Let's face it. With Rio included not only have they fulfilled the black quota they've also shown equality to retards.

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