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Post by Stella Thu 24 Oct 2013, 10:18 am

First topic message reminder :

Unfortunately the world cup will be without two of the best , and more importantly entertaining players, thanks to Sweden meeting Portugal in the play-off.

It's a damn shame but who would you rather see gracing the premier footballing tournament nest summer?

Zlatan or Ronaldo?


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Post by MIG Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:43 am

I'm pretty sure if Ronaldo was still playing in the PL he'd still be getting the same results.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:47 am

Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter. Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games. Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly. In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:53 am

mystiroakey wrote:Oh right yeah.

But anyway- it says just as much about the quality of defending in the pl as it does for roanldo

he scored 2 goals against man u this season.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:54 am

MIG wrote:I'm pretty sure if Ronaldo was still playing in the PL he'd still be getting the same results.
His scoring record for Man United would suggest not, he had a superb record for us but has taken it to a new level in the less defensively sound spanish league. Look at

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:55 am

MIG wrote:I'm pretty sure if Ronaldo was still playing in the PL he'd still be getting the same results.
I very much doubt it

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:56 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:59 am

mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.

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Post by Sand Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:11 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
MIG wrote:I'm pretty sure if Ronaldo was still playing in the PL he'd still be getting the same results.
His scoring record for Man United would suggest not, he had a superb record for us but has taken it to a new level in the less defensively sound spanish league. Look at
Look at his scoring the season before he left to go to Madrid. No doubt in my mind he's a better player since Man U and would definitely be getting the same results if he was still there now. EPL is so over-rated its not real!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:12 pm

I well aware of his scoring record for us and the 42 goal season he had but scoring 60+ goals in a season simply wouldn't happen in the PL. Suarez and Van Persie two brilliant players are lucky if they get near 30.

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Post by Sand Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:13 pm

mystiroakey wrote:5 times more than what dude??

but yes - crazy good polayer
There was a stat on Twitter last night. Ronaldo has scored 66 goals in the calendar year. More than every other EPL team has collectively. Liverpool have the most at 61 for the calendar year. Phenomenal player Ronaldo.

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Post by MIG Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:19 pm

Ronaldo isn't just doing it in Spain though he's doing it in Internationals now too.  I just think he's got even better.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:21 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:24 pm

A quick run through of his international goals suggests he doesn't score against the best teams, he has three goals against Netherlands but no other top team. Not entirely his fault because Portugal have tended to play too conservatively.

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Post by MIG Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:33 pm

Ok he also does it in the Champions League

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:37 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
I dont think he mentioned he has only seen one game dude.

You are the only person bringing up the one game analogy!


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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:39 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
Ibras goal scoring and assist record is better than probably any other striker and he has been a success goal scoring in 4 different leagues and in the champions league and at international games. The guy is probably the best striker in the world.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:40 pm

It was an emphasis on the point. C_S's dismissive attitude towards an opinion ventured by someone that hadn't watched hundreds of Zlatan's games. I've not seen hundreds, but it's not like I've only seen 1 either. I've seen some, sufficient in my view, to derive an opinion from what I have seen.

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Post by Stella Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:41 pm

Ronaldo was awesome last night, but Sweden played into his hands with such a high line. I know they had to win, and hence leave space, but Sandra Bullock would have got lost in that much.
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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:42 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
Ibras goal scoring and assist record is better than probably any other striker and he has been a success goal scoring in 4 different leagues and in the champions league and at international games. The guy is probably the best striker in the world.
Assume you're not counting Ronaldo as a striker then?

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:43 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
Ibras goal scoring and assist record is better than probably any other striker and he has been a success goal scoring in 4 different leagues and in the champions league and at international games. The guy is probably the best striker in the world.
Assume you're not counting Ronaldo as a striker then?
He plays Left wing, unless you are classing messi as a striker too?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:46 pm

Ronaldo and Messi are wing forwards not wingers and quite often play up top.

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Post by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:46 pm

In the aftermath of the last night's game, FIFA announced that voting for the Ballon d'Or, which had been closed, would now be open until November 29th. In addition, any player, coach or journalist who had already voted will be allowed to alter their votes.

It's easy to see what is happening, the goalposts are being moved so that Ronaldo is crowned the world's best player, with previous favourite Franck Ribery now expected to miss out. On first glance this looks like typical FIFA skulduggery, however, just for once their underhand, machiavellian scheming is entirely justified.

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Post by Stella Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:47 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Ronaldo and Messi are wing forwards not wingers and quite often play up top.
Yep, not exactly wingers ala John Robertson.
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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:49 pm

In 549 appearances ZI has 280 goals and 107 assists for his club(s).
In 539 appearances CS has 348 goals for his club(s).

I don't know how many assists Ronaldo has but I'm guessing it's a lot less than 107.  However it'd only need to be 40 to better ZI overall.

I know which 'striker' I'd rather have in my team.

Also, for someone apparently so amazing, he does seem to get shifted around a lot.  Ajax is the only club he's stayed 4 seasons at, he did 2 for Juve, 2 for Inter, 2 for Barca, 2 for AC and now into his second for PSG.

Nobody seems that keen on keeping him around.

EDIT: according to ESPN Ronaldo has 120 assists (114 for club only). So 'Mr Selfish' is also ahead of Zlatan on that metric.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:55 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
Ibras goal scoring and assist record is better than probably any other striker and he has been a success goal scoring in 4 different leagues and in the champions league and at international games. The guy is probably the best striker in the world.
Assume you're not counting Ronaldo as a striker then?
He plays Left wing, unless you are classing messi as a striker too?
No, I was just checking, as this debate comes up quite a bit. Some people say he's a striker, some a 'forward', some a midfielder.

I find his position quite hard to define, hence the query. Similar with Messi.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:57 pm

John wrote:In the aftermath of the last night's game, FIFA announced that voting for the Ballon d'Or, which had been closed, would now be open until November 29th. In addition, any player, coach or journalist who had already voted will be allowed to alter their votes.

It's easy to see what is happening, the goalposts are being moved so that Ronaldo is crowned the world's best player, with previous favourite Franck Ribery now expected to miss out. On first glance this looks like typical FIFA skulduggery, however, just for once their underhand, machiavellian scheming is entirely justified.
Exactly.

Would be a travesty if Ribery won it over Ronaldo.

Though it would be the first time in a while (that I can think of) that the Ballon D'Or wasn't won by someone who'd just won the last CL. The last time Ronaldo won it was after United beat Chelsea.

Did Messi win it after Mourinho's Inter won it?

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Post by Stella Wed 20 Nov 2013, 12:59 pm

messi won the award last year, but not the CL.
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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:12 pm

My memory is terrible! Of course! Forgot the Chelsea bus won it.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:27 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:In 549 appearances ZI has 280 goals and 107 assists for his club(s).
In 539 appearances CS has 348 goals for his club(s).

I don't know how many assists Ronaldo has but I'm guessing it's a lot less than 107.  However it'd only need to be 40 to better ZI overall.

I know which 'striker' I'd rather have in my team.

Also, for someone apparently so amazing, he does seem to get shifted around a lot.  Ajax is the only club he's stayed 4 seasons at, he did 2 for Juve, 2 for Inter, 2 for Barca, 2 for AC and now into his second for PSG.

Nobody seems that keen on keeping him around.

EDIT: according to ESPN Ronaldo has 120 assists (114 for club only).  So 'Mr Selfish' is also ahead of Zlatan on that metric.
I don't class Ronaldo as a striker, to me he is a winger and plays left wing for RM. Some people class him as a striker but not me.

I don't know why you are comparing ronaldo to ibrahimovic when deciding who is the best striker because it is different positions. You need to compare ibra to Van persie, suarez, neymar, benzema, tevez etc. Ibra is better than all of them.

He moves for big money each time 40 million plus eto'o at barcelna and even at the age of 31 PSG paid £20 million for Ibra.

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:30 pm

20 million was a friecking bargain as well

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:31 pm

mystiroakey wrote:20 million was a friecking bargain as well
Tell me about it, I only wish Arsenal would buy him, he is class.

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 1:35 pm

If Arsernal had him- Nailed on champs

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Post by sirfredperry Wed 20 Nov 2013, 2:46 pm

Ronaldo could have the sort of definite world cup where he wins it almost on his own. Maradonna pretty much did this in 1986 and Eusebio (1966) and Cruyff (1974) almost did it but not quite.
  Kempes goals were instrumental in Argentina's success in 1978.But in recent years the key players have had relatively disappointing WCs. SA in 2010 was a desperately awful WC, with an awful final (the worst?), not helped by the ridiculous noise from those infuriating vuvuzuela things, or whatever they were called.
  Brazil will be better. It will be hotter for a start, so defences might not be able to dominate.

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Post by mystiroakey Wed 20 Nov 2013, 3:21 pm

You could argue messi more so IMO

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 20 Nov 2013, 3:25 pm

Cruyff in 1974? The dutch had an awesome team back then.

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Post by Liam Wed 20 Nov 2013, 5:10 pm

Ronaldo was sensational last night and should hands down be crowned best player in the world.

Would like to also point out the two passes for his first two goals, absolutely sensational. Who made them anyone know?

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Post by Guest Wed 20 Nov 2013, 7:36 pm

It was Joao Moutinho - Classy operator & passer provides everything for Ronaldo usually

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Post by TopHat24/7 Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:00 pm

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:In 549 appearances ZI has 280 goals and 107 assists for his club(s).
In 539 appearances CS has 348 goals for his club(s).

I don't know how many assists Ronaldo has but I'm guessing it's a lot less than 107.  However it'd only need to be 40 to better ZI overall.

I know which 'striker' I'd rather have in my team.

Also, for someone apparently so amazing, he does seem to get shifted around a lot.  Ajax is the only club he's stayed 4 seasons at, he did 2 for Juve, 2 for Inter, 2 for Barca, 2 for AC and now into his second for PSG.

Nobody seems that keen on keeping him around.

EDIT: according to ESPN Ronaldo has 120 assists (114 for club only).  So 'Mr Selfish' is also ahead of Zlatan on that metric.
I don't class Ronaldo as a striker, to me he is a winger and plays left wing for RM. Some people class him as a striker but not me.

I don't know why you are comparing ronaldo to ibrahimovic when deciding who is the best striker because it is different positions. You need to compare ibra to Van persie, suarez, neymar, benzema, tevez etc. Ibra is better than all of them.

He moves for big money each time 40 million plus eto'o at barcelna and even at the age of 31 PSG paid £20 million for Ibra.
Well, 3 reasons mainly.

1) I thought it was the purpose of the thread, everyone was comparing Zlatan or Ronaldo;
2) His position is something of great debate. Whenever his EPL scoring record was discussed on this forum his favourers would point out all his goals from midfield and all his detractors would say he wasn't a midfielder but a de facto striker;
3) Even if you don't define him as a striker, who cares? What difference does your definition make? He's someone who scores loads more goals and gets more assists, whatever position you or others think he gets them from.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Wed 20 Nov 2013, 11:46 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:In 549 appearances ZI has 280 goals and 107 assists for his club(s).
In 539 appearances CS has 348 goals for his club(s).

I don't know how many assists Ronaldo has but I'm guessing it's a lot less than 107.  However it'd only need to be 40 to better ZI overall.

I know which 'striker' I'd rather have in my team.

Also, for someone apparently so amazing, he does seem to get shifted around a lot.  Ajax is the only club he's stayed 4 seasons at, he did 2 for Juve, 2 for Inter, 2 for Barca, 2 for AC and now into his second for PSG.

Nobody seems that keen on keeping him around.

EDIT: according to ESPN Ronaldo has 120 assists (114 for club only).  So 'Mr Selfish' is also ahead of Zlatan on that metric.
I don't class Ronaldo as a striker, to me he is a winger and plays left wing for RM. Some people class him as a striker but not me.

I don't know why you are comparing ronaldo to ibrahimovic when deciding who is the best striker because it is different positions. You need to compare ibra to Van persie, suarez, neymar, benzema, tevez etc. Ibra is better than all of them.

He moves for big money each time 40 million plus eto'o at barcelna and even at the age of 31 PSG paid £20 million for Ibra.
Well, 3 reasons mainly.

1) I thought it was the purpose of the thread, everyone was comparing Zlatan or Ronaldo;
2) His position is something of great debate.  Whenever his EPL scoring record was discussed on this forum his favourers would point out all his goals from midfield and all his detractors would say he wasn't a midfielder but a de facto striker;
3) Even if you don't define him as a striker, who cares? What difference does your definition make? He's someone who scores loads more goals and gets more assists, whatever position you or others think he gets them from.
I said ibrahimovic was the best striker and you then started talking about ronaldo being the best striker. ROnaldo is not a striker, it is not even a debate, he lines up as a left winger for madrid.

If you were just discussing ronaldo v ibrahimvic in terms of the thread to see who was better than there was no need to quote my post.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:42 am

YOU say he's not a striker. I know you have a massively inflated self-opinion and don't think you can ever be anything but 100% right, but start a thread to test it.

Is Ronaldo a left winger/midfielder? You'll get a lot of responses to the contrary.

I was comparing them as players, as per the OP, but I can just as equally compare them as strikers and then also ask the more overall question - who'd you prefer in your team? It's all much of a muchness, you're the only one getting your knickers in a twist.

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Post by Stella Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:44 am

Ronaldo is not your traditional number 9, or your traditional number 11, but I'd say he was more of a forward than a winger.
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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:45 am

Also, having just checked back quickly, it was YOU that quoted ME.

I came onto the thread an posted an entirely fresh comment, re the OP, totally unrelated to anything you'd said. You then went after me with snide little remarks.

So, basically, get over yourself kiddo.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:54 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:YOU say he's not a striker. I know you have a massively inflated self-opinion and don't think you can ever be anything but 100% right, but start a thread to test it.  

Is Ronaldo a left winger/midfielder? You'll get a lot of responses to the contrary.

I was comparing them as players, as per the OP, but I can just as equally compare them as strikers and then also ask the more overall question - who'd you prefer in your team? It's all much of a muchness, you're the only one getting your knickers in a twist.
Why would I start a thread as pointless as that?

One look at RM starting line ups and 90% of the games Ronaldo is on the left wing.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:55 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:Also, having just checked back quickly, it was YOU that quoted ME.

I came onto the thread an posted an entirely fresh comment, re the OP, totally unrelated to anything you'd said.  You then went after me with snide little remarks.

So, basically, get over yourself kiddo.

you quoted my comment

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 21 Nov 2013, 9:57 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:
Champagne_Socialist wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:Ronaldo hands down for me. And he proved it last night, if not the last two nights.

Zlatan is a drifter.  Moments of magic but I've seen him disappoint too many times when it matters, on the really big stages in big games.  Great players rise to the occasion and Ronaldo does that.  

Chuck in how few headed goals he gets for a man of his stature and Zlatan simply doesn't cut it for me.

He's basically a much better version of Berbatov for me.

Mysti can quote the England game, where he did indeed score a wonder goal, but was Sweden's resurgence not after England had subbed about 6 players?? And that was a friendly.  In the competitive fixture he played a full game, didn't score, and England left with all the points.
dude watch that clip i posted up!!

But no i cant be considered as good as messi or ronaldo.. but still an amazing player when on form
You can tell Tophat rarely watches ibrahimovic if he is making comments like the above.
Rarely would be an accurate description, never would not.

And from what I have seen (which is more than just 1 solitary game) I've never been consistently blown away.

Still, I did enjoy the irony of your comment.
Ibras goal scoring and assist record is better than probably any other striker and he has been a success goal scoring in 4 different leagues and in the champions league and at international games. The guy is probably the best striker in the world.
Assume you're not counting Ronaldo as a striker then?
You quoting my comment....

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 21 Nov 2013, 10:14 am

And if you follow up the chain you get to my original comment, answering the OP, which you jumped on.

You're the one chasing me around, poor little thing.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 21 Nov 2013, 10:15 am

Champagne_Socialist wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:YOU say he's not a striker. I know you have a massively inflated self-opinion and don't think you can ever be anything but 100% right, but start a thread to test it.  

Is Ronaldo a left winger/midfielder? You'll get a lot of responses to the contrary.

I was comparing them as players, as per the OP, but I can just as equally compare them as strikers and then also ask the more overall question - who'd you prefer in your team? It's all much of a muchness, you're the only one getting your knickers in a twist.
Why would I start a thread as pointless as that?

One look at RM starting line ups and 90% of the games Ronaldo is on the left wing.
Pointless?

Well the first person that responded to the point disagreed with you. So I'm clearly not fantasizing.

Don't get me wrong, I've no doubt you won't test those waters as your ego couldn't take the hit.

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Post by Champagne_Socialist Thu 21 Nov 2013, 10:17 am

TopHat24/7 wrote:And if you follow up the chain you get to my original comment, answering the OP, which you jumped on.

You're the one chasing me around, poor little thing.
I actually want to discuss your original commet. You said Ibrahimovic goes quiet in the big games and fails to live up to expectations against the big teams etc. A few people on here have said the same thing and I would like to know what games you are talking about that he has gone missing in. In a different thread I listed some of the big teams Ibrahimovic has scored against and the list includes Barcelona, Rel madrid, Arsenal, Athletico madrid, inter milan, roma, juventus, Spain, portugal, england and brazil among many others.

What big games have you seen him in that he has gone quiet in?

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Post by sodhat Thu 21 Nov 2013, 10:30 am

The term winger is a bit of a fallacy these days.

The better description for Ronaldo would be a wide forward. He is for all intents and purposes a forward, but they utilise him from a wider area initially so he can cut in and hit shots with his favoured foot.

Winger suggests he gets down the flank to the byline and crosses it. I can probably count on one hand how many times he does that in a given match. He is wide without the ball but central with it.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Thu 21 Nov 2013, 10:54 am

sodhat wrote:The term winger is a bit of a fallacy these days.

The better description for Ronaldo would be a wide forward. He is for all intents and purposes a forward, but they utilise him from a wider area initially so he can cut in and hit shots with his favoured foot.

Winger suggests he gets down the flank to the byline and crosses it. I can probably count on one hand how many times he does that in a given match. He is wide without the ball but central with it.
So that's 3 now......

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