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Post by GunsGerms on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 4:37 pm

The war of words rages on. Lets reopen old wounds.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/keith-wood-warren-gatland-1145455-Oct2013/

I agree with Gatland that he is a bit of a Mé Féiner plus I am impressed with his use of Irish. Nice one Gatty!

By the way in a recent interview Drico has actually confirmed that he has given Gatland a christmas card already at a recent function. Nice one Drico!


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Post by Guest on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 4:41 pm

Plus BoD gave him a Christmas card the other day, so all is well with the world.

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Post by rodders on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 5:11 pm

Guns exposes himself as a closet late late show fan.... Cool 
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Post by GunsGerms on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 5:13 pm

rodders wrote:Guns exposes himself as a closet late late show fan.... Cool 
Could have just seen the clip. I confess I did watch it that night and they did have a good lineup.

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Post by fa0019 on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 5:31 pm

In the end Wood is a patriot... he always has been from the moment he put on his jersey, whoever he played for he went at it full pelt. His heart rules his head sometimes but thats why people love/loved him. I mean I would swear I once saw him singing during the halftime break of a test international on the pitch with the crowd to jeer up his troops. He saw the player that has dragged both IRE and the Lions to respectability time and time again and questioned Gatlands motives.

I too certainly questions Gatlands 11 odd changes in the final test... has that ever happened in a RWC KO stages for example? Gatland was by no shape or form perfect in this tour, but he delivered and thats the bottom line. Hes going to eat out on that 3rd test for many years to come and hats off to him, he deserves it.... he's done something that better coaches with better squads have failed to achieve (just a shame AUS have been smashed by everyone else this season to lessen the achievement).

The current pro's are a little touchy when it comes to criticism, they don't like it when retired players question form, decisions, judgement. They have to take it... what do they expect.. an entourage ala Mike Tyson where everyone praises him and no one dares questions his authority??? That leads to nothing bar disaster.

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Post by GloriousEmpire on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 6:13 pm

Let's face it, any of the coaching candidates and many of the 606 lions selections would've done it. Australia were in a real mess and are just starting to recover now. Deans made a pigs ear of the whole show.

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Post by TJ on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 10:55 pm

I just checked what that means. thats a outrageous slur on a good man. Gatland hang your head in shame

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Post by profitius on Thu 24 Oct 2013, 11:55 pm

I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
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Post by GunsGerms on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 10:06 am

profitius wrote:I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
He was a bit of a me feiner when he played for Ireland under Gatland. He was more or less responsible for Gatland getting the boot or so the story goes. The two have history.

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Post by Sin é on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 10:45 am

TJ wrote:I just checked what that means.  thats a outrageous slur on a good man.  Gatland hang your head in shame
He also claims to have brought Andy Farrell on the Lions to spy on England. Very Happy 

Not the brightest bulb in the box!
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Post by Sin é on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 10:49 am

GunsGerms wrote:
profitius wrote:I wouldn't describe Wood as a mé féiner (which means "me, myself" ie a selfish person). Wood isn't a great pundit though.
He was a bit of a me feiner when he played for Ireland under Gatland. He was more or less responsible for Gatland getting the boot or so the story goes. The two have history.
History is that Woody (& senior players who had been on Lions) wanted Gatty to hire specialist coaches (Eddie was forced on him and Ireland started winning games with him as backs coach).

Woody wanted a defence coach then, and again Gatty didn't want one. The IRFU didn't renew Gatty's contract, EOS got the main job and Ireland got a defence coach.
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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 11:42 am

Gatland is on the Late Late show tonight apparently...might even watch it for once.

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Post by tigerleghorn on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 11:57 am

For me the guy can do no wrong....massive fan since seeing his contribution to the 97 Lions tour on the pitch and the dvd's (or videos then I suppose)

He wears his (Irish) heart on his sleeve but passion and patriotism in sport is a worthy trait imho.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 11:59 am

Wood can be a touch one eyed but I wouldn't describe him as selfish. He desperately wants his teams to do well which is a little different.

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Post by fa0019 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 12:04 pm

Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.

I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.

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Post by GunsGerms on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:07 pm

ME-109 wrote:Gatland is on the Late Late show tonight apparently...might even watch it for once.
No way!!! Find that hard to believe. That would be class.

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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:11 pm

That's what RTE are saying. Fair dues...he wont get an easy audience although Tubs probably wont be too probing in his questioning.

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Post by GunsGerms on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:23 pm

ME-109 wrote:That's what RTE are saying. Fair dues...he wont get an easy audience although Tubs probably wont be too probing in his questioning.
Tubs is a wet rag. Shame he wasnt on it last week. Now that would have been good.

Hopefully he does get an easy audience. Time to move on. Wish Drico had said nothing to be honest the more I think about it.

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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:29 pm

Probably a bit of pantomime hissing and booing and once Gatland doesn't go for some verbal diarrhoea then it will be a damp squib...

On the other hand Gats is quite capable of putting his foot in his mouth and just blowing it all up again.

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Post by profitius on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:31 pm

How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too Very Happy 
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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm

Could be a car crash waiting to happen...

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Post by Sin é on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:45 pm

fa0019 wrote:Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.

I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
That couldn't be true. He was sacked* (with the help of Woody) because he was stuck in the mud with regard to coaching methods. EOS was installed. Woody was very influential in Irish rugby (and still is - he was one of the panel that interviewed Joe Schmidt for the Ireland job).

Gatland likes his players to do what they are told. Woody (and most Irish players) wouldn't respond well to that. He suits the Welsh.

*His contract was not renewed, he wasn't sacked.
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Post by Sin é on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:47 pm

profitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too Very Happy 
And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales players Very Happy 
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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 2:50 pm

Sin é wrote:
profitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too Very Happy 
And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales players Very Happy 
Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...picard 

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Post by Knowsit17 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:49 pm

Sin é wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Gatland is just having his little moment in the sun and going back through old personal blacklisted people to take a swipe at.

I recall Wood speaking well of him as a coach in the past, saying he was too advanced for Irish rugby at the time and it was slow to accept professional change which Gatland wanted to implement.
That couldn't be true. He was sacked* (with the help of Woody) because he was stuck in the mud with regard to coaching methods. EOS was installed. Woody was very influential in Irish rugby (and still is - he was one of the panel that interviewed Joe Schmidt for the Ireland job).

Gatland likes his players to do what they are told. Woody (and most Irish players) wouldn't respond well to that. He suits the Welsh.

*His contract was not renewed, he wasn't sacked.
It's more or less a given based on past examples that in-fighting between the players and coach don't end well. In Wales it is quite broadly believed that internal conflict was what led to Ruddock's resignation, with then-skipper Gareth Thomas supposedly one of the main antagonists (who, despite being a great player, has tarnished his legacy as a result imo). This only shows your remark to be needlessly general given that it's only since Gatland came in and established some measure of stability that there has been cooperation between the coaching staff, the players and the union. It wasn't so long ago that the opposite was true. So you tell me what worked better, Gatland's approach or what came before?

For that matter tell me again which party has had more success since, Gatland or Ireland?

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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:53 pm

Well Ireland without Gatland had more success....you cant really compare. Gatland isn't a country even though he thinks he is....

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Post by Guest on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:55 pm

ME-109 wrote:
Sin é wrote:
profitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too Very Happy 
And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales players Very Happy 
Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...picard 

The one he used with Ireland? Yes, we used it against the All Blacks last autumn and scored a try from it.

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Post by ME-109 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:56 pm

Same outcome in both games though

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Post by Guest on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:58 pm

Did Ireland score a try from it ?

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Post by Engine#4 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 3:58 pm

I don't suppose this comment could possibly have been a bit of a joke taken out of all tone and context?  Gatland is an intelligent man and one who displays classic egocentric qualities so surely he would be well aware of the irony of calling someone like Wood a mé féiner?

EDIT just read the full article - disappointed. Sounds like he has imagined a personal attack from Wood based on past history and responded by launching an actual personal attack.


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Post by GunsGerms on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 4:39 pm

Griff wrote:Did Ireland score a try from it ?
No. It failed.

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Post by Guest on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 5:11 pm

Maybe more about the players than the coach/tactic then?! Run 

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Post by GunsGerms on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 5:24 pm

Griff wrote:Maybe more about the players than the coach/tactic then?! Run 
I think it was more to do with circumstance. I believe that Ireland tried it in a crucial pool game v Argentina where we needed a try to win the game and go through the pool at Argentina's expense. They defended like demons as a result.

In the Wales NZ match the Wales try was never going to effect the result of the game and NZ didnt look too bothered.

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Post by Jhamer25 on Fri 25 Oct 2013, 6:20 pm

Griff wrote:
ME-109 wrote:
Sin é wrote:
profitius wrote:How about Gats using Farrell for inside info on England! Bad enough doing it but admitting it too Very Happy 
And not noticing that Farrell would learn an awful lot more watching the Wales coach, coaching the Wales players Very Happy 
Wonder if he will ever reuse that brilliant bit of tactics of the 15 man maul...picard 
The one he used with Ireland? Yes, we used it against the All Blacks last autumn and scored a try from it.
haha stumped.

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Post by The Saint on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 1:04 am

Well said Gats! Very Happy

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 8:24 am


Is it some sort of irish custom that you personally hand people Christmas cards in the middle of october?

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Post by MrsP on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 9:04 am

Of course.

When else would you do it?

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Post by jimmyinthewell68 on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 10:41 am

bet hes got his tree up already

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Post by quinsforever on Sat 26 Oct 2013, 1:32 pm

warren gatland clip on the late late show. seemed pretty diplomatic from both interviewer and gatland. suspect the topic will die a death now.

http://balls.ie/rugby/video-warren-gatland-talks-bod-late-late-show/

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Post by aucklandlaurie on Sun 27 Oct 2013, 6:22 am

MrsP wrote:Of course.

When else would you do it?

December...In the period leading up to Christmas...

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