Barclays Premier League 13/14 Thread

[GSC]

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It was always going to be hard for Hughton.

The Norwich family never really took to him as one of their own

[GSC]

It's hilarious to me how Giroud is being put down for being a great finisher when so many clubs lack one

[compelling and rich]

id have giroud over carroll anyday for two reasons.

1- goals- his scoring record is far superior to carrolls, and its a bit simplistic to say he just scores tap ins. not giving him any credit for his movement in the box there.

2- he stays fitter, carroll always injured and if not playing week in week out struggles to maintain his fitness. get the impression he doesn't look after himself properly out of season.

[Guest]

I'm not saying Carroll over giroud at arsenal. I'm just comparing the two generally. Would Carroll score the goals giroud does at arsenal, yes. Great finisher from inside the six yard box, yes, but then many strikers are. I just believe come end of season arsenal will miss out on winning something because of the tight games where giroud misses the key chance. Giroud is not a one chance goal guy. He's a four or five chance guy, misses many opportunities just like a WBA or even yesterday that header from five yards unmarked put wide. So far so good but the difference, in my opinion, will be telling come may n in Europe. That's all.

[mystiroakey]

It's hilarious to me how Giroud is being put down for being a great finisher when so many clubs lack one

thats the truth of it- there isnt that many better really- I can only think of about 10 that are truely better - the rest seem quite similar

[mystiroakey]

Carroll does have that bit of enigma about him, he will probably get you more outrageous goals,

however could he link with arsenal's midfield as well as giroud?

[Guest]

Brings in nolan well. Kevin basically makes a career out of Carroll knockdowns. Brilliant for us. Remember Carroll terrorising man city for Liverpool, feeding players left right n centre n banging two great goals. I think your giroud (brilliant finisher) belief is going to your heads. Delusional.

[mystiroakey]

Just watching highlights of liverpool.

OMG suarez was unbelievable..

If arsernal can't get someone like that i dont see the point in them hurting their team for the benefit of a natural goal scorer that may lack technique.

[mystiroakey]

Brings in nolan well. Kevin basically makes a career out of Carroll knockdowns. Brilliant for us. Remember Carroll terrorising man city for Liverpool, feeding players left right n centre n banging two great goals. I think your giroud (brilliant finisher) belief is going to your heads. Delusional.

I dont think he is a brilliant finisher in the slightest- I think he is a good technical player, but no natural striker!

[GSC]

Carroll would be so out of place at Arsenal it isn't funny. Need technical ability to play in a side like that.

Repeating the 6 yard tap in thing over and over does you no credit. If it was that easy, every team would have a 20 goal a season striker. Giroud has very intelligent movement, and good technical ability which along with instinct allow him to be in those positions.

[mystiroakey]

I would however go for Carrol over Giroud at palace .

A big strong striker that can boss midfielders and could potentially get in the mould of drogba or ibram.

[Fernando]

You have that in Chamakh he was decent yesterday should play like that to him more often

[Guest]

Well your assuming there, no fact

Does every team have Ramsey, wilshere, ozil, cazorla providing the creativity? If they were at west ham providing Carroll, you'd be saying Carroll was brilliant.

This debate is situational. If he was there or if he was there......glad mysteroakey has admitted he ain't no natural finisher after originally posting in response to your comment of him being a great finisher. Let's not get carried away.

[mystiroakey]

He did yes.. Put on a good strong performance- you just dont back him to score though

[JamesLincs]

i think carroll will come good. and probably be an england regular in 2 or 3 years

[Fernando]

Sunderland XI: Westwood, Bardsley, Dossena, O'Shea, Cuellar, Cattermole, Colback, Larsson, Johnson, Altidore, Fletcher.

Newcastle XI: Krul; Debuchy, Williamson, Dummett, Santon; Sissoko, Tiote, Cabaye; Gouffran, Ben Arfa, Remy

[J.Benson II]

I would however go for Carrol over Giroud at palace .

A big strong striker that can boss midfielders and could potentially get in the mould of drogba or ibram.

I agree that for mid/lower tier teams, Carroll would be a better option than Giroud due to his physicality. Obviously, ability wise he' a lot closer to Chamakh than he is to a Drobga or Ibra.

[compelling and rich]

think people are getting carried away with carroll here a bit, if he were to stay fit and get a run of games he can be a handful but that just isnt happening. think he has only had two seasons where he has played the majority of games, simply not good enough. and when he comes back from injuries he's pretty awful for a while and takes quite a few games to get back match fit.

he's averaging a goal every 3.5 games and even that is bumped up by a good year in the championship. his top level scoring record is poor with his best season being 11 goals. which is pretty poor, similar to a grant holt type stats them and you could argue carrolls been in better teams

[NickisBHAFC]

Come on you Newcastle  

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Carroll has far more technical ability than hes given credit for.

Id have Carroll over Giroud at our place, Giroud over Carroll at Arsenal. Id have Carroll over Giroud at Chelsea and United, Giroud over Carroll at Spurs and City. Different teams need different players. I think Carroll would be far more important a player for anyone outside the top 8 than Giroud, Giroud would offer nothing when the going gets tough.

[NickisBHAFC]

Gus Poyet first Brighton win was against rivals Southampton in a 3-1 win managed by Alan Pardew

Gus Poyet first Sunderland win against Rivals Newcastle managed by Alan Pardew?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

This game today, Sunderland v Newcastle, is the hardest game to call this season. Anything could happen here.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

It was only going to be him

[NickisBHAFC]

Sunderland 1-0 Newcastle

Steven Fletcher header, great cross from Johnson but Newcastle defending could of been a lot better.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Pretty underrated striker for me Steven Fletcher, worth every penny of the £12m Sunderland paid for him for me

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Yup, probably worth over £20m if hes called van Fletchwinkel or something foreign

[monty junior]

Just a pity he's constantly injured

[NickisBHAFC]

He is a big player for Sunderland, if they want to stay up, having him fit for most of the season is a complete must.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Debuchy must be one of the most naive players I've seen in a while, constantly giving away silly fouls

[NickisBHAFC]

Tiote is a great player when he doesn't make stupid fouls, his passing today has been superb.

[NickisBHAFC]

Sunderland went to sleep there and have just given Newcastle an early christmas present.

This is where i used to get frustrated with Gus at Brighton as when someone like this happen, he would take too long before making tactical changes and by then it would be too late to get all 3 points or even a point.

[kingraf]

don't threads have a 21-page limit?

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Ben Arfa really beginning to become a threat Sunderland can't handle now

[CFCNick]

Sunderland looking to Chelsea reject to get them ahead again.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Papiss Cisse must be one of the worst strikers in the league at the minute. His touch is atrocious

[CFCNick]

BORINI!!!! He learnt that from Didier.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Newcastle are a ludicrous team sometimes.

Got to hope someone knocks the stuffing out of Sunderland again next week, I really want them down

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Never mind, it's Hull.

[NickisBHAFC]

What a goal by Borini, Sunderland with a huge win, but dont' forget this is how it all started for Di Canio. Poyet has a long way to go.

LOL WHO'S BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE!!!

[NickisBHAFC]

Chelsea team v Man City: Cech, Ivanovic, Cahill, Terry, Cole, Ramires, Lampard, Hazard, Oscar, Schurrle, Torres

Man City team v Chelsea: Hart, Zabaleta, Demichelis, Nastasic, Clichy, Garcia, Fernandinho, Nasri, Yaya Toure, Silva, Aguero

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Right Spurs, Chelski and West Ham, time to win me some monies

[Guest]

don't threads have a 21-page limit?

23/24 I believe.

[CFCNick]

Right Spurs, Chelski and West Ham, time to win me some monies

I did a 13 fold for £900 from £2.

Leverkusen - WON
Arsenal - WON
United - WON
Liverpool - WON
Sunderland - WON
Celtic - WON
Dortmund - WON
Bayern - WON
Swansea, Spurs, Atletico and Juve still to play but all massive favourites

and........

Marseille - LOST                       

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Right Spurs, Chelski and West Ham, time to win me some monies

I did a 13 fold for £900 from £2.

Leverkusen - WON
Arsenal - WON
United - WON
Liverpool - WON
Sunderland - WON
Celtic - WON
Dortmund - WON
Bayern - WON
Swansea, Spurs, Atletico and Juve still to play but all massive favourites

and........

Marseille - LOST                       

Don't worry yesterday Ajax failed to beat the bottom placed Eredivise side at home for me. I hate betting

[guildfordbat]

Off to the pub to see the toon, wouldn't surprise me to see us lose n make altidore look world class ...

Agree that Altidore is a long way from being a naturally talented superstar but I still quite like him. He at least seems to regularly give it his all. Involved in both of Sunderland's goals. Don't think he knew much about the lay off for Borini's winner but did well to earn the corner that led to the opener.

[Ent]

It's a mugs game betting.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

It's a mugs game betting.

That's why I do it  

[kingraf]

I once made what equates to about £500 on three bets.
Placed a tenner on Utd to lose to Vietnam XI (or whoever they faced first this season) at 9/1. Then a twenty on Citeh to lose a pre-season match at 11/1, and another tenner on Citeh losing to amaZulu at around 15/1...

My girlfriend really enjoyed my money... Good times, had a rotten run recently, but I never bet big. Jus keep betting on the underdog, and hope for the upset.

[Duty281]

Massive win that for Sunderland. Have to say, the game was absolutely dire in terms of quality.

[NickisBHAFC]

Gus Poyet 4-0 Alan Pardew

Southampton 1-3 Brighton
Brighton 1-0 Newcastle
Brighton 2-0 Newcastle
Sunderland 2-1 Newcastle.

[Bull]

Right Spurs, Chelski and West Ham, time to win me some monies

I did a 13 fold for £900 from £2.

Leverkusen - WON
Arsenal - WON
United - WON
Liverpool - WON
Sunderland - WON
Celtic - WON
Dortmund - WON
Bayern - WON
Swansea, Spurs, Atletico and Juve still to play but all massive favourites

and........

Marseille - LOST                       

Don't worry yesterday Ajax failed to beat the bottom placed Eredivise side at home for me. I hate betting

Then don't bet.

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