should more British players move aboard?

Tony in Blackburn believes "more English players should move abroad". Do you think this would benefit the England team? #BBC606 #ENG

this was on the 606 twitter page.

it is an a good question , you always see players from France , Italy , Germany , Spain , Holland etc moving from country to country at ease where as with England apart from only on a hand full of occasions has that happened.

so what do you think , should more move aboard?

It might benefit the player but not sure it would the team?

Its market forces mate.

If they could earn as much playing in lower leagues than sitting on the bench of top clubs they would go

If we had a massive depth of talent they would be sought after more

If we didn't have the highest paying league they would go

If we had less cl spots they would go

If we had a less competitive league they would go

Unless you are playing for a top 4 or 5 team in England, then yes, there is no harm in going to Germany,Spain or Italy where you might learn more skill and technique, which in turn might lead to you being more in demand by the teams you hitherto couldn't get in to or weren't wanted by.

I would rather the players at the top 5 clubs go to be honest- because those are the ones not getting first team football.

the further you go down the English league the more English players start.

What about the ones who do get a game? Deadbeat Gerrard stayed at the same club all his career. Could probably have gone to loads of European club.

Well you know my thoughts on gerrard.(gansta stuff blah blah..)

Ach, doubt they were serious. Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand etc the same.

Typical UK attitude. Too scared to try it.

That's what I like about Ibrahmiovic, tried loads of leagues and succeeded everywhere, instead of just staying at one second rate club like Liverpool.

Well it may not really be about Ibrah as a person, it could be a lot to do with being Swedish and having to move away to further his career, and then never settling in

BUt I am not trying to bring him down. I like Ibrah as much as you!

btw liverpool is not second rate and many would argue a better club than all of the ones he has gone to bar barca(and that was the place he had his worse record)

THey're not a team which will challenge for the title.

But they have before and won the CL in recent times.

Imagine Liverpool with Ibrah!!

So have Porto, doesn't make them a big team. Playing for Liverpool should not be the aspirational zenith of a players career.
The likes of Gerrard haven't tried hard enough.

Liverpool have had Torres and Suarez in recent years and not really challenged for the title, I somehow doubt Ibra would change that. In reality he's not any better than the pair.

Course he is. Haven't seen Zlatan go for months without scoring or receive a million match ban for being a cheating, racist, biting scumbag.

PLus his goal scoring ratio against better opposition proves he is.

We're not talking about the Torres of now we're talking of the Torres at Liverpool, the Torres who tore United to shreds on more than one occasion. I'd argue that Ibras opposition has been a lot poorer than it would be in the premier league, he's always played in team with no real challengers.

EH? He's played for Ajax, Barca, Inter, Juve, AC Milan and PSG.

Yeah, he'd have it much tougher at Liverpool

Dutch league- poor
Spanish league- two teams
Italian League- Corrupt
French league- poor

Yes he's had it so tough at the teams he's been at hasn't he SR, lets ignore his clubs have had very few rivals and very few top teams to play.

English League - Always a two horse race. Only 5 teams have ever won it.

Is Messi poor because he scores millions of goals?

I can just imagine IBrahimovic not being able to score against VIlla, Palace, Southampton, Fulham, Newcastle etc etc.

There are a LOT of very ordinary teams in England too, just as many as in Spain or Italy.

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super_realist wrote:So have Porto, doesn't make them a big team. Playing for Liverpool should not be the aspirational zenith of a players career.
The likes of Gerrard haven't tried hard enough.

He didn't try hard enough because he played for one club? Seriously? Has Messi not tried hard enough because he has only played in Spain, and not shown he can perform on a cold Tuesday night in Stoke?

Perhaps we should look at it the other way, British players haven't been good enough to play abroad in the past. Michael Owen went to Real Madrid and was a bit part player, I'm sure Gerrard looked at that and thought why bother.

super_realist wrote:Course he is. Haven't seen Zlatan go for months without scoring or receive a million match ban for being a cheating, racist, biting scumbag.

PLus his goal scoring ratio against better opposition proves he is.

His goal scoring ration is amazing, it is something like 1 goal in every 1.5 games which is incredible. His last season at milan he got 35 goals in 44 appearances including 14 assists. Last season at PSG he got 35 goals in 46 appearances including 11 assists.

He has also scored 22 goals in his last 19 international appearances including 10 goals in World cup qualification.

He also scored 9 goals in 16 champions league games for Milan and he scored 10 goals in 13 champions league appearances for PSG.

I really want to know how some people call him overrated.

Apparently Champagne, your goal scoring record is irrelevant if you don't play in the English Premier League.

super_realist wrote:Apparently Champagne, your goal scoring record is irrelevant if you don't play in the English Premier League.

O yeh I forgot, Ibrahimovic can never be world class unless he scores against Hull on a wet Thursday night in winter  

Yes lets have a go at Gerrard because he's shown loyalty to the club he loves.

Well, I interpret it as a lack of ambition.
It's like being loyal to Asda when you could go to Waitrose.

Sorry SR but the premier league is a far stronger league than any other and I wouldn't rate Ibra any higher than Suarez or Torres from 5 years ago.

Ha ha. Torres was very good for about 2 seasons. Ibrahimovic has been top class his entire career.

super_realist wrote:Well, I interpret it as a lack of ambition.
It's like being loyal to Asda when you could go to Waitrose.

Or he's a scouser playing for his boyhood team and has no desire to play for a team he doesn't love. Far rather players with loyalty like Gerrard, Carragher, Scholes and Giggs than mercenaries changing teams every other season.

super_realist wrote:Ha ha. Torres was very good for about 2 seasons. Ibrahimovic has been top class his entire career.

I must have missed most of his career then because I can't recall him performing in any big game ever.

Cast your mind back 24 hours or were all of his 281 career goals all against Calcutta Sport in friendlies.

I don't give a crap about stats, they're the tool of the ill informed and lazy, i've used my eyes and have yet to see him perform in a big game. A play off game between two second rate european teams isn't a big game.

Hammersmith that was a big game- but he has been superb in the CL this year- so there are plenty more opps for him to come very shortly

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't give a crap about stats, they're the tool of the ill informed and lazy, i've used my eyes and have yet to see him perform in a big game. A play off game between two second rate european teams isn't a big game.

The same could be said about Thierry Henry in fairness. Did you rate him Hammer?

I rated Henry very highly, I remember his goals against United vividly especially his volley and the header as well as his goals against Madrid, Juventus, Brazil, Portugal amongst others.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I don't give a crap about stats, they're the tool of the ill informed and lazy, i've used my eyes and have yet to see him perform in a big game. A play off game between two second rate european teams isn't a big game.

Surely you could say the same about anyone? I doubt you've really watched that many of his games in order to make the comparison, and because you are a fan of the English game and maybe even the team that constantly lives in the past Liverpool, you'll probably skew your opinion of how many good games Torres in 1865 or Suarez may have played at a particular time whilst being completely unaware of all the good games Ibrahimovic has scored in.

Also, if Sweden and Portugal are second rate European teams, then so must England be, because Zlatan scored 4 against them.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I rated Henry very highly, I remember his goals against United vividly especially his volley and the header as well as his goals against Madrid, Juventus, Brazil, Portugal amongst others.

Ha ha, you've just said Portugal were second rate, whilst you also mention Madrid, Brazil, Juve who Zlatan has scored goals against. So, Henry wasn't very good either then.
Genius.

Henry scored in meaningful games against them all, champions league quarter final, world cup quarter final, important league games against United. I've seen a lot of Ibra in the champions league and have never been impressed nor have I in the competitive internationals i've seen. International friendlies mean nothing to me, beating Spain 1-0 in a friendly meant nothing but losing 4-1 to Germany at the world cup did.

You seem to not understand the passage of time, Portugal in 2000 were a far better team than they currently are.

yep that 4-1 means a lot dude..

Last competitive game England lost in 90 mins!!

Christ don't mention handball Henry.

Ah, what might have been.

super_realist wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I rated Henry very highly, I remember his goals against United vividly especially his volley and the header as well as his goals against Madrid, Juventus, Brazil, Portugal amongst others.

Ha ha, you've just said Portugal were second rate, whilst you also mention Madrid, Brazil, Juve who Zlatan has scored goals against. So, Henry wasn't very good either then.
Genius.

My advice is to ignore Hammersmith, i put him on my foe list a while ago because he is just a wum. He is not trying to have a serious debate he is just trying to wind you up, the fact he said Ibrahimovic hasn't scored against any big teams and then says Henry has scored against big teams and names Madrid, brazil, juve and portugal as evidence of big teams just shows his lack of knowledge because Ibrahimovic has scored against those teams he listed as big hahah. Let him think Ibrahimovic is crap whilst the rest of us can see Ibrahimovic is quality.

A list of some of the big teams Ibrahimovic has scored against

2 goals against Arsenal in the champions league for barcelona
scored 1 goal against Arsenal in the champions league for Milan
scored in the el classico derby against  real madrid
scored 2 goals against Barcelona, once for ac milan and once for PSG in the champions league
scored in the copa del ray final in spain
scored against athletico madrid
scored in the spanish super cup
scored against inter milan in the league in the italan derby
Scored against inter milan in the italian cup
scored against lazio
scored against Juventus
scored 4 goals against Roma

he has also scored 4 goals in euro 2008 and euro 2012 he has scored against spain, brazil and portugal and scored 4 goals against england.

When people say he goes missing in the big games they are talking nonsense and probably have never seen him play. What big games has he gone missing in? The above suggests he scores in enough big games.

super_realist wrote:Well, I interpret it as a lack of ambition.
It's like being loyal to Asda when you could go to Waitrose.

A lack of ambition?

He wanted to win trophies with Liverpool and make us as a top team again. He's won everything except the league with us, and we got very close to that.

Players like Gerrard should be commended for sticking with the club they love through good times and bad.

Wasn't he threatened if were to leave?

We've all heard those rumours but that's all they are, probably made up by Everton fans.

nasisillmatic wrote:We've all heard those rumours but that's all they are, probably made up by Everton fans.

Maybe?

You can see why he wanted to stay as Rafa is/was a top coach, and had Liverpool close to be EPL winners in 2009.

We did come close that year. I think staying with Liverpool and trying to build a league winning team showed more ambition than just signing for Chelsea and walking the league with them.

Good to see players staly loyal.

Very rare in football.

I don't think Liverpool fans could have moaned too much, if Gerrard had gone abroad to Madrid etc. Chelsea may have been different?

Yes seeing him playing for Chelsea would've been horrible, much worse than watching Torres.

Yeah poor Torres... Exorbitant wages, FA CUP, Europa Cup, Champions League medals, consistent champions league football.... that decision really came back to bite him