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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 12 Feb 2014, 7:23 pm

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Not sure what's going to happen in t his game..

More bothered about watching what Ox can do again..

Its not a forgone conclusion for me.

I do think Moyesball is pretty decent against possession teams..

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:04 pm

Then you have all the players leaving like Vidic, Nani, Anderson and Ferdinand amongst others who would save around £20mil+ a year in wages.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:05 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:However, any new manager would still have the players Moyes bought, and the targets will be high standard this summer

okj lets try and take the heat out of the discussion shall we lads.

who are these targets from your POV?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:07 pm

The only club with more purchasing power is Real Madrid, the rest of them varies depending on the player. We can bully a team like Dortmund just as much as Munich and we have in the past and the latter hasn't really proved their pulling power outside of Germany. Ribery and Robben have been revitalised but weren't at the top of their game when they joined.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:08 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Then you have all the players leaving like Vidic, Nani, Anderson and Ferdinand amongst others who would save around £20mil+ a year in wages.

Vidic has looked your best defender lasst two games- yes he is aging- but seriously you wont be able to replace a whole team. he could still have been a decent enough player for the next season or two.

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:09 pm

No CL would drop United a fair bit.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:10 pm

It sure did stop Juan Mata joining now didn't it.

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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:20 pm

First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:21 pm

Mata was at a low and wasn't playing any footy.

Man U offered bundles.

For some reason Mourinhio hates every other team on the planet bar Chelsea and united..

strange one from start to finish that.. anyway you have gone for big names like the below

Kroos, Fabrigas, Ronaldo.

You just wont get them.


Who do you honestly think you will be able to buy in the summer..

I say just fill the gaps, try and get a system in place that makes use of the front 3(use junazi more as well)

if you cant buy worldclass CM's. You must get average-good ones- You cant just hold out anymore. 

One winger is probally a must as well. I think Zaha will come good in a couple of years.. but to be really up there will take a couple of years at least.

You lads love knocking opinions. But you arnt giving any names your selves. Its a bit below the belt really. Its all - yteah yeah- you know nothing. But without offering a counter soloution.

Just oh yeah but we will buy Big names in the summer.

WHO???

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:25 pm

socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:26 pm

I just wish we could get rid of Moyes, or that we could jump in a time machine and never appoint him.

Going away in Europe and playing 442 with Vidic, Smalling, Cleverly, Young and Valencia i.e. 5 players who can't look after the ball and Vidic, Rio, Evra, Carrick that can't run for 90 minutes was just astounding.

I turned off after 15 minutes through choice, not done that in 15 years but I knew what was going to happen.

Just absolute madness.

Also I see people defending Vidic, he is going and shouldn't be playing, great servant that he was. He was never quick and now he has a back four in disarray around him and nothing in midfield his lack of pace is being exposed.

He shouldn't be captain either.

There aren't any excuses for Moyes, he is just doing badly. Look what he has gotten out of players this year, Hernandez is well down on his goal tally, Carrick has been awful, Cleverly looks a broken man, Kagawa (even though I don't rate him) has barely kicked a ball, the whole back four have been a shambles. Say what you like about RVP and the squad Fergie left but he got a hell of a lot more out of them than Moyes is getting.

As for buying and being prudent, we do have spending power - not on a level of Madrid/Barca or the billionaire funded clubs but we can match most others in Europe. Yes we will need to be sensible given no private backing but there is money there.

RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:28 pm

I'm not the manager Mysti nor do I know who's available, either do you despite your thoughts otherwise.

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:28 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

like who mysti? henry on loan hardly counts. flamini?

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:30 pm

"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:31 pm

I doubt Van Persie actually wants to go back to Arsenal, it's just paper chat.

He knows the majority of the that squad and wasn't impressed with them.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:31 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

like who mysti? henry on loan hardly counts. flamini?


henry does count for me..

henry run out oin you and you embraced him when he came back. Flamini was off course different- you didnt use him - then got him at a better phase.. But Henry didnt leave on good terms- yet came back on a good one.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:33 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:I'm not the manager Mysti nor do I know who's available, either do you despite your thoughts otherwise.

you can still give an opinion!!!

thats the point..

affraid of making an opinion someone will laugh at!

jeasus.

off course you can suggest players

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:33 pm

mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:34 pm

Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.
who said old players

and no its not more money because you would still need two midfielder's if not more.. It doesnt matter what club they come from

how is this so hard for you to work out


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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:34 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

He handed United the league title and maybe cost us the league this year. The guy is a rapidly depreciating asset who wants 200 k plus to play for you. Signing RVP right now is like marrying an attractive, high maintenance bitch, right before she hits the wall. Then what you are left with is a money grubbing hag with high expectations. Not me, I would go for the long haul and sign a younger striker in his prime. Loyalty and heart matter, and RVP has shown he doesn't have it.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:34 pm

Its an awful way to manage and motivate Moyes and his squad. Like the Rooney contract, you cant send out weak messages

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:40 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.
who said old players

and no its not more money because you would still need two midfielder's if not more.. It doesnt matter what club they come from

how is this so hard for you to work out

How is it so hard for you to work out that trading a valuable asset for 2 worthless ones who wouldn't grace our (admittedly pathetic) side is prudent?

Seriously.

Look at what you are suggesting, trading RVP, a genuine world class striker who has scored 67 league goals in his last 87 games for Mikel Arteta (31) and another arsenal squad player i.e. one of Flamini, Rosicky or Frimpong.

It would cost £40 plus million to replace RVP.

You are mental if you think this is in anyway a good idea.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:44 pm

Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.
who said old players

and no its not more money because you would still need two midfielder's if not more.. It doesnt matter what club they come from

how is this so hard for you to work out

How is it so hard for you to work out that trading a valuable asset for 2 worthless ones who wouldn't grace our (admittedly pathetic) side is prudent?

Seriously.

Look at what you are suggesting, trading RVP, a genuine world class striker who has scored 67 league goals in his last 87 games for Mikel Arteta (31) and another arsenal squad player i.e. one of Flamini, Rosicky or Frimpong.

You are mental if you think this is in anyway a good idea.
you have just said a deal to sign 2 players for one would cost more in wages.

what ever you do you need 2 or more midfielder's!!

why cant you work that out?

dont twist it because you realised your mistake and then get all insulting.

If RVP demands the move- get something for him- thats it and you could probally twist Wengers arm more than most and get a better deal out of him than any other club. and i am certainly not talking about useless assets...

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:46 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

like who mysti? henry on loan hardly counts. flamini?


henry does count for me..

henry run out oin you and you embraced him when he came back. Flamini was off course different- you didnt use him - then got him at a better phase.. But Henry didnt leave on good terms- yet came back on a good one.

two players is hardly so many, especially considering one was a short term loan

cant think of many clubs where a club legend comes back and doesn't get a good reception

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:47 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
compelling and rich wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
socal1976 wrote:First off I can't be happier seeing that RVP is unhappy at United and his agent is making noises in the media that he might come back to ARsenal. As an Arsenal fan I don't want RVP. We suffered through all his injuries and then during his best years he ditched the club right as Arsene's long term project came to fruition. If RVP had shown faith for one more season Arsenal would be running away with the league right now with a great young core, Ozil feeding RVP for goals, and a solid back line. Instead he wanted the short cut to success. He got his league champion's medal now comes the time that he has to pay the piper. What that means is playing in the Europa league on thursdays, trading in Moyes for Wenger, London for Manchester, the stability and young talent of Arsenal for his current over the hill teammates. Sorry RVP, I would rather have Javier Hernandez, Balotelli, Benzema, Michu, Bony, Costa etc. You got what you wanted now pay for it bumhole.

that's not really the arsernal way though is it.,

So many arsernal players come back.. and you embrace them and they normally do well again for you.

like who mysti? henry on loan hardly counts. flamini?


henry does count for me..

henry run out oin you and you embraced him when he came back. Flamini was off course different- you didnt use him - then got him at a better phase.. But Henry didnt leave on good terms- yet came back on a good one.

two players is hardly so many, especially considering one was a short term loan

cant think of many clubs where a club legend comes back and doesn't get a good reception
well exactly he would get a good reception..

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:50 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.
who said old players

and no its not more money because you would still need two midfielder's if not more.. It doesnt matter what club they come from

how is this so hard for you to work out

How is it so hard for you to work out that trading a valuable asset for 2 worthless ones who wouldn't grace our (admittedly pathetic) side is prudent?

Seriously.

Look at what you are suggesting, trading RVP, a genuine world class striker who has scored 67 league goals in his last 87 games for Mikel Arteta (31) and another arsenal squad player i.e. one of Flamini, Rosicky or Frimpong.

You are mental if you think this is in anyway a good idea.
you have just said a deal to sign 2 players for one would cost more in wages.

what ever you do you need 2 or more midfielder's!!

why cant you work that out?

dont twist it because you realised your mistake and then get all insulting.

If RVP demands the move- get something for him- thats it and you could probally twist Wengers arm more than most and get a better deal out of him than any other club. and i am certainly not talking about useless assets...

You said swapping RVP for Arteta + one other would be prudent, it would not.

2 players wages are generally more than 1 players wages, plus you lose a valuable asset.

There will be no twisting Wengers arm if RVP wants out (not true imo), Fergie hardly broke the bank for him as he knew he wanted away.

Wenger would not give us 2 of his top midfielders for van persie. We would need to spend £40 million plus on an rvp replacement and would still need to buy players that would acutally improve our midfield, we have plenty of crap midfielders no need for 2 more. Your point is ridiculous and this is the last thing I'm saying on the matter.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:54 pm

Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:
Ent wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:"RVP still has resale value, Arteta + 1 do not and will require 2 sets of wages compared to 1. This is the opposite of prudent, it is a financial loss and a squad loss - one of the worst ideas I've ever heard."


sorry can you explain where the extra wages would come from??


who doesnt realise that united need more than even 2 more midfielders to boost there team!!


it doesnt matter if you get two from one club!!!


it doesnt cost more.

2 players wages > 1 = more money

no resale value for a prized asset = money lost

It is really very simple, your idea is absolutely terrible. I agree we need to be more frugal than some think on the board but swapping one of our genuine world class players for 2 old, average players of minimal value is pointless.
who said old players

and no its not more money because you would still need two midfielder's if not more.. It doesnt matter what club they come from

how is this so hard for you to work out

How is it so hard for you to work out that trading a valuable asset for 2 worthless ones who wouldn't grace our (admittedly pathetic) side is prudent?

Seriously.

Look at what you are suggesting, trading RVP, a genuine world class striker who has scored 67 league goals in his last 87 games for Mikel Arteta (31) and another arsenal squad player i.e. one of Flamini, Rosicky or Frimpong.

You are mental if you think this is in anyway a good idea.
you have just said a deal to sign 2 players for one would cost more in wages.

what ever you do you need 2 or more midfielder's!!

why cant you work that out?

dont twist it because you realised your mistake and then get all insulting.

If RVP demands the move- get something for him- thats it and you could probally twist Wengers arm more than most and get a better deal out of him than any other club. and i am certainly not talking about useless assets...

You said swapping RVP for Arteta + one other would be prudent, it would not.

2 players wages are generally more than 1 players wages, plus you lose a valuable asset.

There will be no twisting Wengers arm if RVP wants out (not true imo), Fergie hardly broke the bank for him as he knew he wanted away.

Wenger would not give us 2 of his top midfielders for van persie. Your point is ridiculous and this is the last thing I'm saying on the matter.


well its good its your last comment on the matter because the prudent comment was to do with a completely different issue.. All you are doing is twisting the words.

and as a united fan if you cant work out you need midfielder;'s and more than 1 then you are watching  Aresrnal by  mistake. Yes i Know they are both red Wink

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:56 pm

We need good midfielders not midfielders who are no better than what we already have.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:57 pm

say you could get carzola and flamini!

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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 7:59 pm

I am with mysti on one point, from a United perspective they should get rid of RVP as fast as possible while he still has value. He has missed a lot of games this year and it is unlikely that as he gets older that will change. You are going to have to replace him in a year or two anyway and then he won't have any resell value.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:00 pm

Well we have Mata, Rooney and Kagawa so hardly think we need Cazorla, we need central midfielders who can pass so neither of them are needed.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:00 pm

they dont get resale value mate- they think united have billions and can buy anyone they want!

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:00 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well we have Mata, Rooney and Kagawa so hardly think we need Cazorla, we need central midfielders who can pass so neither of them are needed.
kagawa?

who? Wink

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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:01 pm

mystiroakey wrote:say you could get carzola and flamini!

No way is RVP worth those two players. If United sold him to us for 10-12 million then I say buy him. He has a year or two left and at best he will miss large stretches of the next couple of years with niggling injuries.

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Post by Ent on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:01 pm

We have enough money to not need to sell our top players as they get a bit older.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:01 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well we have Mata, Rooney and Kagawa so hardly think we need Cazorla, we need central midfielders who can pass so neither of them are needed.

and man up- who do you want-0 its ok i wont laugh at you- just tell me the players you think would work at united

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Post by Fernando on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:02 pm

mystiroakey wrote:say you could get carzola and flamini!

LOL Wenger wouldn't hand over 2 of our best players for Van Persie. At this point be lucky if Arsene offered 15m for him.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:02 pm

Ent wrote:We have enough money to not need to sell our top players as they get a bit older.

its not about that- the whole conversation is based on RVP going. Off course he may not force his way out. But if the rumours are true!!

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:03 pm

Fernando wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:say you could get carzola and flamini!

LOL Wenger wouldn't hand over 2 of our best players for Van Persie. At this point be lucky if Arsene offered 15m for him.

yeah io know he would be insane to but anyway- these players cant pass from a uniteds POV

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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:03 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Well we have Mata, Rooney and Kagawa so hardly think we need Cazorla, we need central midfielders who can pass so neither of them are needed.
kagawa?

who? Wink

Agree with you, Cazorla is both a better passer and will get you a lot more goals.

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Post by Fernando on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:04 pm

mystiroakey wrote:
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mystiroakey wrote:say you could get carzola and flamini!

LOL Wenger wouldn't hand over 2 of our best players for Van Persie. At this point be lucky if Arsene offered 15m for him.

yeah io know he would be insane to but anyway- these players cant pass from a uniteds POV

If they want someone who can pass go take Alex Song off Barcelona's bench.

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:05 pm

socal1976 wrote:I am with mysti on one point, from a United perspective they should get rid of RVP as fast as possible while he still has value. He has missed a lot of games this year and it is unlikely that as he gets older that will change. You are going to have to replace him in a year or two anyway and then he won't have any resell value.

or get a manager who can manage top players instead of alienating them all. if rumours are true that vidic, evra and rvp all unhappy, all senior players

of course he showed his ability to manage rooneys loyalty with the help of a world record contract of course!

we was never selling rooney to chelsea and rvp wont be going to arsenal, were not daft like arsenal and sell to rival clubs

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:07 pm

So answer for everyone now is.

We have no idea what players are needed!

but Moyes or no Moyes will fix it with 200m quid?

and arsernal players cant pass 

and chelsea and arsernal are mugs for selling you there players (that arnt performing for you any way Wink )

is that the consensus lads?

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:09 pm

i dont think we need to spend 200mil (especially if you consider some of the dead wood we could shift), with a top class manager this squad have shown they can compete at the highest level, one cm is a must preferably two for me but if you get the players playing in a system that works and fits the players we have we dont need too much

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:11 pm

yes i agree compelling- two cm's for me is a must though and one winger.

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Post by socal1976 on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:12 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
socal1976 wrote:I am with mysti on one point, from a United perspective they should get rid of RVP as fast as possible while he still has value. He has missed a lot of games this year and it is unlikely that as he gets older that will change. You are going to have to replace him in a year or two anyway and then he won't have any resell value.

or get a manager who can manage top players instead of alienating them all. if rumours are true that vidic, evra and rvp all unhappy, all senior players

of course he showed his ability to manage rooneys loyalty with the help of a world record contract of course!

we was never selling rooney to chelsea and rvp wont be going to arsenal, were not daft like arsenal and sell to rival clubs

Who said anything about selling him to Arsenal. If they sell him they should see if that psycho Perez wants to buy him that is where they will get the best money for him. Vidic is unhappy because they wouldn't pay him what he wants and frankly his form has deteriorated. Whether you keep Moyes or not is irrelevant, RVP is a fragile 31 year old forward who want 200 plus K a week in salary. Whether you have SAF, Moyes, or Jose none of them change RVP's age or injury issues. This is one problem SAF had, he didn't replace Scholes or Giggs when they were on the down slope and therefore couldn't find young players to fill those places. If Wellbeck or whoever is the future maybe you should play him in his natural position and see if he can sink or swin.

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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:12 pm

"or get a manager who can manage top players instead of alienating them all. if rumours are true that vidic, evra and rvp all unhappy, all senior players 

of course he showed his ability to manage rooneys loyalty with the help of a world record contract of course!"


sadly the first could be a direct consequence of the second.

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Post by GSC on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:14 pm

They need a new LB, 2 CBs, 2 CMs an probably 2 wingers.
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Post by mystiroakey on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:15 pm

I have no idea why moyes couldnt work his magic on baines!

he was supposedly a bigger initial target than Fellani!

They then missed the chance on shaw- Who I have feeling will go to Chelsea

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Post by compelling and rich on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:16 pm

a wingers debatable, because the current manager thinks januzaj and mata can play there, i would love to see reus. really add that bit of pace were really missing and with rooney dropping too deep all the time he could push in behind the back line and create space that way.

also think its a realistic signing, we can offer much better wages and have a bargaining piece in kagawa someone klopp likes

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 26 Feb 2014, 8:16 pm

Do you think it would be a good idea for United to sign Flamini and Arteta Mysti?

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