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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Fri 20 May - 7:29

48 hours til fight time, it's been discussed enough on here but nows the time to make your official prediction - who, when and why?

Has to be DeGale for me, have been a fan of his boxing since he turned pro - seems to have a multitude of attributes, slick southpaw skills, good defence, speed, accurate punching. Groves can box too, but not as well as JD, although he's a better puncher and has guts. There are some variables that make me think it wont be all degale. Firstly, the more I see him the more I question whether he has the physicality to go to war at 168 - he looks slight in comparison to the likes of froch and dirrell etc. - even to groves. Also JD isnt a huge puncher, if GG feels he can walk him down he may be able to take degale to the trenches - unchartered territory for him.

Reckon with so much pride on the line it'll start cagey, not get going til maybe the 3rd, when GG will start trying to put the presure on. If DeGale decides to fight fire with fire it could be anyone's game, but I dont see this being a war. I see DeGale being a bit too evasive, a bit to quick and accurate with his hands and groves being a bit too wide open.

Am gonna go with DeGale via unanimous decision.

PS Hope I'm wrong, have gone off DeGale in the build up and wouldnt mind seeing Groves take him down a peg or two.
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Post by Fists of Fury Fri 20 May - 7:31

Official head prediction: Degale Pts or late TKO
Official heart prediction: George to know the arrogant swine the hell out

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Post by AdZacO Fri 20 May - 7:37

Fists of Fury wrote:Official head prediction: Degale Pts or late TKO
Official heart prediction: George to know the arrogant swine the hell out

Not much of a prediction in late KO or PTS.

DeGale KO 8th

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Post by licence_007 Fri 20 May - 7:38

DeGale KO 10th.

I hope Groves wins though.

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Post by Young_Towzer Fri 20 May - 7:41

DeGale 3rd round, too fast and a much better fighter. However, i wouldn't be surprised if he finished it in the 1st round to be honest

Cleverly to beat the bum he's fighting within 4

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Post by Liam_Main Fri 20 May - 7:43

Degale TKO 7

Degale to pick him off before going in for the finish.
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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Fri 20 May - 7:48

DeGold to KO the ugly kid in rounds 6-8.
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Post by sonic_boom10 Fri 20 May - 7:48

Groves inside 6 rounds

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 7:50

Groves UD

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Post by BALTIMORA Fri 20 May - 7:57

Last third stoppage for Degale. Much as I'd rather otherwise.

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Post by Marky Fri 20 May - 7:58

Groves in the 9th, after surviving a DeGale onslaught in the opening couple of rounds.

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 7:58

Just seen the Groves/Anderson fight.

Respect to Groves. He showed guts and heart. I hope he has tightened up his defense and stop the reflex based slipping all the time. If he does that I think his body punches will sap Degale's strength and I believe he is a better puncher than Gale.

But.....Groves is a small SMW. He should drop down to MW.

Still I have this feeling he will take DeGale.

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Post by Fists of Fury Fri 20 May - 8:05

AdZacO wrote:
Fists of Fury wrote:Official head prediction: Degale Pts or late TKO
Official heart prediction: George to know the arrogant swine the hell out

Not much of a prediction in late KO or PTS.

DeGale KO 8th

Ok, Groves TKO 10. Yeah that's right!

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Post by Scottrf Fri 20 May - 8:10

DeGale stoppage around the 9th.

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Post by Boxtthis Fri 20 May - 8:15

Degale late KO - I'll go for the 10th

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Post by Day V Lately Fri 20 May - 8:32

If a painfully slow Anderson can get to Groves, cant see Degale having too much trouble, I think Degale will box his head off, and it will be stopped in the 7th.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack Fri 20 May - 9:02

Degale TKO 6. Too fast, too sharp and just too good all around.

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 9:06

Day V Lately wrote:If a painfully slow Anderson can get to Groves, cant see Degale having too much trouble, I think Degale will box his head off, and it will be stopped in the 7th.

Anderson used his strength to bully Groves. DeGale is not a physical fighter. Groves plants his feet and offloads. DeGale should win, but he wont. He wants to please the fans by being flashy. Groves is the more professional person and will win.

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Post by Day V Lately Fri 20 May - 9:12

Granted I'm not sure Degale can force Groves back like the tough Anderson did, but Groves vulnrabilities will still be there, hes easy to hit, and Degale is slick and sharp on the inside, can make people miss.

The bet worries me though, if Groves loses, how will he pay his tailor?

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Post by Imperial Ghosty Fri 20 May - 9:16

People do seem to be paying too much attention to the Anderson fight but completely ignoring the fact he's a strong, tough and physical fighter which Degale is not, he's quick but still not sold he has the power to trouble the top fighters.

Groves within 8

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Post by Scottrf Fri 20 May - 9:31

I think DeGale is a decent puncher, and is improving as he adapts to the pros.

Finishing combo here (10 min58):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEoqBWFeYmI#t=10m58s
The uppercut against Smith (36 min 10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8RvaVQp_Ms#t=36m10s

The Anderson fight wasn't Groves' only poor performance recently, he didn't look good in America.

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Post by joeyjojo618 Fri 20 May - 16:34

DeGale TKO 9

we will have to wait for his next step up until we see some sense slapped into DeGale (imo.)

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Post by shenglong1983 Fri 20 May - 18:34

Warren will tell both men to make a "show of it" no 1st round KO's, as the PPV thing is now a complete sham, and SKY would go down the tubes if this is a one round fight.

So expect a late DeGale KO,

Round 9.

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Post by captain carrantuohil Fri 20 May - 18:41

I'm still rather assuming that Groves isn't chinny and that in any case, DeGale doesn't hit hard enough to expose any flaw that may be there. Therefore, Groves to outwork DeGale, who still looks too amateurishly pleased with his handiwork at various points of his fights.

Groves by close, and possibly unpopular, decision.

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Post by joeyjojo618 Fri 20 May - 18:47

I think the ref will stop it to be honest, Groves will take a fair bit of punishment unless hes picked up a defense from somewhere.

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Post by Rowley Fri 20 May - 18:47

captain carrantuohil wrote:I'm still rather assuming that Groves isn't chinny and that in any case, DeGale doesn't hit hard enough to expose any flaw that may be there. Therefore, Groves to outwork DeGale, who still looks too amateurishly pleased with his handiwork at various points of his fights.

Groves by close, and possibly unpopular, decision.

It's a ballsy prediction Capt and one I dearly hope is correct. Have no problem with cocky fighters but have to admit Degale's infantile blatherings calling Groves an ugly ginger kid with bad breath leaves me absolutely cold. He lacks neither the charisma, wit or intelligence to pull this particular act off.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 20 May - 18:48

I only wish the people picking Groves would go down the bookies!

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 18:50

Scottrf wrote:I only wish the people picking Groves would go down the bookies!

Here's my bet. If JD wins, I wont comment on old timers for a month (or criticise them censored ).

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Post by HumanWindmill Fri 20 May - 18:52

azania wrote:
Scottrf wrote:I only wish the people picking Groves would go down the bookies!

Here's my bet. If JD wins, I wont comment on old timers for a month (or criticise them censored ).

I was rooting for Groves until you wrote this. I will now be praying for a DeGale victory.

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Post by captain carrantuohil Fri 20 May - 18:57

As it happens, Scott, I have done so. I am a betting man, although rarely on boxing, where value is usually hard to find. However, with betfair offering better than 3-1 for Groves to win at all, and a general 9-1 on offer for a points victory, I think that I have found some. A modest interest, mind. I've no quibble with DeGale being favourite, but Groves is not a 3-1 shot and 9-1 for a points win really does make some appeal. Sentiment doesn't come into it here, although I don't deny feeling that a setback to DeGale might be just what the doctor ordered insofar as modifying his character is concerned.

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Post by Fists of Fury Fri 20 May - 19:03

9-1 certainly is a cracking price, think I may have a flutter. I really think that if Groves can keep a tight defence whilst outworking Degale we may just see the points win. I, for one, will be hoping so!

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Post by Scottrf Fri 20 May - 19:06

Captain - There are certainly still questions to be answered and it probably has swung too far in DeGale's favour. I'd agree he might not be a 3/1 outsider but that's a long way from me thinking he'd win. He's too vulnerable in my opinion and with the speed edge and not insignificant power I don't think Groves will be walking through him. As for a points win, I'm unconvinced Groves can outwork him through 12, he only really started to against Anderson when Kenny started to tire early.

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 19:14

Scottrf wrote:Captain - There are certainly still questions to be answered and it probably has swung too far in DeGale's favour. I'd agree he might not be a 3/1 outsider but that's a long way from me thinking he'd win. He's too vulnerable in my opinion and with the speed edge and not insignificant power I don't think Groves will be walking through him. As for a points win, I'm unconvinced Groves can outwork him through 12, he only really started to against Anderson when Kenny started to tire early.

Azania - Good lad. Think of a suitable punishment for me and I'll match your bet.

Anderson tired because of the energy sapping body punches Groves landed. Groves is more varied in terms of style and all round ability imo. The Smith fight made JD look good but styles make fights. GG will win because he is better.

Dont worry, I'll think of a suitable punishment/bet WHEN GG wins.

Agreed with rowley. JD is too stupid to be funny. Just cringe worthy and daft. He cant even remember his script.

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Post by Fists of Fury Fri 20 May - 19:17

Yeah, it was embarassing watching his clown of a trainer mcdonnell having to whisper things to say to JD when he was on the mic. Muppets the pair of them.

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Post by wow_junky Fri 20 May - 19:32

I really want Groves to win, even though I think DeGale has more chance of being a world champ and has the better skillset.

However, I dreamt that DeGale won by 10th round KO, so I have to go with my subconscious on this one.

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Post by Eyetoldyouso Fri 20 May - 19:38

DeGale by TKO before Rd 6.

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Post by Sugar Boy Sweetie Fri 20 May - 21:46

According to SSN DeGale was 176.5lbs on tuesday. Weigh in could be interesting today...
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Post by coxy0001 Fri 20 May - 22:26

Have got Degale UD as part of a double with Pascal UD....

But nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Groves knock Degale the buck out!!!!

C'mon Groves, spank him sideways!!

What time is the weigh-in? And i'm going to go on the hunt for a live stream.... if anyone has one lemme know yeah?!

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Post by Guest Fri 20 May - 22:34

Degale was able to unload at will against Paul Smith and still couldn't put him down. What is there to suggest he can hit Groves hard enough to put him down and keep him down? Groves had a bad night against Anderson and I'd be mightily surprised if he fought the same way on Saturday.

DeGale will try and unload a few flashy combinations and get the ref to step in like he did against Carl Dilks. In that final combo, there was nothing of any real significance landed and yet the ref still jumped in. yes, Dilks was out of his depth but he wasn't badly hurt and whilst covering up, was still protecting himself.

My prediction is that the referee ****s this one up mightily by being too scared to let them get on with it and DeGale will win, then go on to proclaim himself the greatest of all-time to the biggest chorus of boos a winner has ever rec'd since Audley won on the Khan/Prescott undercard.

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Post by Day V Lately Fri 20 May - 22:46

Smith is a tough lad who's never been stopped before, Degale still had his eyes rolling round the back of his head with some shots. I also think it will be volume rather than a massive one bomb that stops the fight, but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be stopped, an it starting to sound like sour grapes besfore the fights even started Dave!

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Post by Guest Fri 20 May - 22:55

Smith is a tough lad who's never been stopped before
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Day V, who'd he faced of any real note? Warren sacrificed Smith in order to get DeGale that strap and try shift a few more tickets for future "title" fights.

I'm only going on previous experience in fights that have been stopped prematurely. Not getting into the argument about whether it's right or wrong, I'm simply saying, DeGale's had a couple of fights that, in the minds of some, HAVE been stopped a tad too early. Now, despite the fact this ISN'T for a major bauble, there's a lot at stake for both fighters and I think whoever the referee is, they should give both guys a reasonable chance. As I say, all being equal, DeGale should get the win but if he really has to get it, I'd rather it was all fair and square rather than leaving a sour taste in the mouth.

Personally, I'm rooting for Groves as I really do not like DeGale even though I do appreciate he does have some talent.

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Post by jimdig Fri 20 May - 23:14

Degale is bookies favourite but pitting Groves for the upset, I think he'll have taken this fight more seriously, he'll know how much work he'll have to do to improve on the anderson performance. And sparring with Dirrell should have prepared him for anything that Degale could throw at him.

There is no way that Degale got the same quality of sparring as Groves, but then there is always the chance that Groves just got bet up sparring.

Tough call - Groves.

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Post by Small Time Fri 20 May - 23:37

Degale ko in the 4th.....easy nights work, as much as I'd like Groves to shut him up.

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Post by Scottrf Fri 20 May - 23:50

What era counts as 'old timers' Az?

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Post by azania Fri 20 May - 23:54

Scottrf wrote:What era counts as 'old timers' Az?

Pre 1999 Very Happy

Nah, pre Dempsey I'd say.

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Post by BALTIMORA Fri 20 May - 23:56

Scottrf wrote:What era counts as 'old timers' Az?

Anything prior to last Thursday.

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Post by azania Sat 21 May - 0:07

BALTIMORA wrote:
Scottrf wrote:What era counts as 'old timers' Az?

Anything prior to last Thursday.

Ha. As far as that? Ooops, that's yesterday Shocked

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Post by Scottrf Sat 21 May - 0:15

Someone wrote:
Groves: 11st 13lbs 7oz
DeGale: 11st 13lbs 6oz

Apparently Clev and his opponent made weight.

Anyone have SSN on?

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Post by coxy0001 Sat 21 May - 0:36

Scottrf wrote:Someone wrote:
Groves: 11st 13lbs 7oz
DeGale: 11st 13lbs 6oz

Apparently Clev and his opponent made weight.

Anyone have SSN on?

Ditto..... Where's our resident deluded poster as he's probably watching it and can give a detailed and concise explanation of exactly how drained either fighter was, who's heart rate was higher (nerves), what they're thinking (mind reader as well you see) and whose body is most perfect machine like.... all from just looking at them.....

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Post by azania Sat 21 May - 0:40

coxy0001 wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Someone wrote:
Groves: 11st 13lbs 7oz
DeGale: 11st 13lbs 6oz

Apparently Clev and his opponent made weight.

Anyone have SSN on?

Ditto..... Where's our resident deluded poster as he's probably watching it and can give a detailed and concise explanation of exactly how drained either fighter was, who's heart rate was higher (nerves), what they're thinking (mind reader as well you see) and whose body is most perfect machine like.... all from just looking at them.....

And when he does post you go into one. I swear you cant live without his presence. randy

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