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Post by mystiroakey Thu 05 Jun 2014, 12:25 pm

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I would be inclined to play Barkley instead of Ox if he isn't fit over sterling tbh. Both strong- both run at the opposition. Sterling does off course do this but isn't quite as physically imposing- all 3 have great feet but the former two are just stronger. Sterling is the better overall player though and perhaps would be the best option v costa rica and italy but against uruguay at the least I would rather have strength in the shape of ox or barkley.

I am surprised hearing many others saying wilshire had no impact. I thought it was his best game for yonks. Nothing spectacular but he played the way CM's should play- bright , alert, took the odd player on, was forward passing on the whole. Ok he got taken down a few too many times- but 70% of the time it results in retaining possession in a free kick.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 06 Jun 2014, 4:05 pm

I think Scholes might know a thing or two on both things he discussed, as a young upcoming midfielder himself once upon time he knows exactly what Wilshere needs to do to progress and has spent years training with Rooney so knows the score on that one as well.

To be honest he was shamefully disrespected by Erikson, imagine being moved to the left to accommodate Lampard and Gerrard, that would make my blood boil too.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Fri 06 Jun 2014, 4:07 pm

mystiroakey wrote:"not a personality though because to have a personality you have to jump about like Ian Wright. "

No you just need a personality to have a personality. Its self explanatory

The problem I have with scholes is the way he expresses himself- which is probably my own failings. If one of my friends spoke in that way , I would take them to a shrink. He doesn't sound well or happy- Ever!!

Anyway. the major issue with scholes that has come to light recently as he has just popped in to the media- he has had the odd pundit job and he has started a possible career move towards the media .

Its the fact he is negative about everything. What he says may be right, but never something we dont know. Its not insightful. But what it allways is is negative. After a game of football or commenting on a team you as the person being interviewed or addressed can talk about various things. You can talk about the positives, many pundits do that to much of course, others like Keane perhaps talks about the negatives to much(this is also what scholes seems to be doing)

Ok not everyone is Gary Neville-0 who hits the nail on the head with not just insightful comments but also discusses the whole picture- negatives and positives.

Hes just a dour Manc, you must have met dour Northerners. And to be fair to him, hes not done many appearances and has said some very insightful things and given a view that not only is relatively fresh but is also backed up by a huge amount of experience for both United, England and the top levels of football.

And having a dry personality doesnt mean you have none. Nor does he have to show every aspect of it to people he doesnt know. I quite like seeing someone who is quietly assured just talk about football and answer what is asked of him. If Shearer was saying anything interesting Id have no problem with him, but hes both dull in delivery and dull in content.

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Post by Scrumpy Fri 06 Jun 2014, 4:11 pm

Shearer is a likeable chap though even if he is a little dour, Scholes is well, not!

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Post by Duty281 Fri 06 Jun 2014, 10:28 pm

Roy Hodgson is going to wait as long as possible before making a final decision on the fitness of Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.

I would say that, even if he can't play a part until perhaps the last sixteen, Oxlade should be kept in the squad as the replacements for him are so inadequate.

Keep Oxlade in Brazil - he has a fantastic name, and isn't half-bad at this footballing lark either.

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Post by Guest Fri 06 Jun 2014, 10:47 pm

Even if Oxlade broke both his legs, caught yellow fever & then was set on fire by a criminal gang, while in his wheelchair outside the hotel, I still wouldn't call up anyone to replace him, such is the depressing reality of how s*** that stand-by list is.

Absolute no-brainer for Roy to wait.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 06 Jun 2014, 10:47 pm

there is no need for anyone else in attack or midfield even if he isnt going to be fit enough. He would be replaced by a defender i would guess- if that happens

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 06 Jun 2014, 10:49 pm

If we do call up someone from the standby list I'd call up Stones or Flanagan to push Johnson rather than the awful attackers we got on standby lol
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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 06 Jun 2014, 10:57 pm

Which attackers do we even have on standby?

Stones should be in the squad ahead of Smalling.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 06 Jun 2014, 11:26 pm

Am I right in saying we've got Cleverley, Young and Carroll as attacking standby options? But Carroll's in bleedin' Dubai, so is no use.

I wish Cleverley and Young were in bleedin' Dubai!

Keep praying for Oxlade.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 06 Jun 2014, 11:28 pm

Surprisingly Young actually plays better for England than United. But even so i would cry if he replaces Oxlade. Carroll in Dubai haha that doesn't surprise me.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 06 Jun 2014, 11:33 pm

Oh and there's Michael Carrick, as well. But he's in Ibiza.

I wouldn't call any of them up if I were Roy; it would be better to fight on with just a twenty-two man squad if Oxlade's injury is tournament-ending.

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Post by Ent Fri 06 Jun 2014, 11:54 pm

Carrick, cleverly and young have served either England or hosgpsn well and don't deserve the Poopie treatment he has given them.

Don't judge a man on how he treats his equals etc

Carrick and cleverly should both be on the squad - as should Ashley cole.

Hodgson is a donkey.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 8:23 am

Lolz lolz lolz lolz epic lolz
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Post by Duty281 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:45 am

England expected to line-up tonight like this:

Hart/Johnson, Cahill, Jagielka, Baines/Gerrard, Henderson/Lallana, Rooney, Welbeck/Sturridge.

That will presumably be the team for next week as well, with the possible exception of Raheem Sterling who is suspended tonight; it is likely, however, that he will be on the bench for the Italy game.

Honduras don't look like much on paper. I imagine Hodgson will be hoping for a confidence-boosting win, no injuries and a decent performance. If Rooney can boost his own flagging confidence with a good display tonight, it will be very much appreciated as well.

I'll say 2, maybe 3, nil to England tonight.

And if you flick over to the BBC red button at around 22:30 tonight (might have to check that), you can rewind the clock by about twenty-four years and see England's heart-break at Italia 90 against West Germany in full.


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:49 am

Carroll, like he was told I may add, went on holiday with his girlfriend before coming home. In the same way Carrick was told to go on holiday. By Roy. They were not meant to stay at home and wait by the phone, they were meant to go relax but keep some fitness.

Having seen Lampard play, if I was Roy my choice would be Carrick to replace Ox.

Or he could have picked a better standby list and had someone like Curtis Davies in there, or Clyne, to add to our weak defensive choices.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 07 Jun 2014, 10:51 am

The best thing that could happen tonight is for Lampard to get injured, he'll be more of a hindrance than a help, Carrick can at least retain possession even if he's not the most creative with it.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 11:25 am

Scott Dann needs the Call Up Wink


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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 11:26 am

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Carroll, like he was told I may add, went on holiday with his girlfriend before coming home. In the same way Carrick was told to go on holiday. By Roy. They were not meant to stay at home and wait by the phone, they were meant to go relax but keep some fitness.

Having seen Lampard play, if I was Roy my choice would be Carrick to replace Ox.

Or he could have picked a better standby list and had someone like Curtis Davies in there, or Clyne, to add to our weak defensive choices.


Stones > those two anyways, he'll get rightly called up if Ox can't make it I reckon
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 07 Jun 2014, 11:53 am

Stones is fine, but hes only getting billed as being this good cos hes young. He did well, but I dont think hes as good a defender as Davies is, hasnt had as good a season and its an area where we have two young defenders in back up.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 4:06 pm

Roy Hodgson has thrown away his restraint, and has given reasons for why England can finally win the greatest prize in football for the second time.

He's also gently hinted that Sterling may start against Italy after his brilliant reaction in training, where he was "unstoppable at times".

All looking good then for three points next Saturday!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 07 Jun 2014, 4:18 pm

I'd play Sterling against Uruguay but not Italy. I think Welbeck will be a very good player to have around against Italy.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 07 Jun 2014, 4:24 pm

Welbeck is less likely to do something stupid which will be crucial against Italy plus he can hold on to the ball a bit better.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 4:53 pm

To be honest, I'd play Sterling and Lallana, because you need to attack in the wide areas where I feel Italy have a weakness. It's through the middle of the pitch where Italy have an advantage, and where England will need to stifle and hinder them at every point and turn - hence why I'd also pick Henderson over Wilshere.

I do expect, however, Welbeck will be picked and that in itself isn't a bad option.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 6:24 pm

Wellbeck has a lot to prove tonight.

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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 6:28 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Wellbeck has a lot to prove tonight.


Agreed, he has always done quite well for England but too many times he makes the wrong choice. If only he could improve by 20% on the right option. He then could be one hell of a player for both club and country.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 7:36 pm

I like Welbeck for England on the left, I feel he does a sound job there.

But maybe England don't want sound, maybe they want dynamic or inspirational.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 8:18 pm

very true. I am the first to back up welbeck when he plays on the left- He works tirelessly . But look lets be honest we didn't bring cole or carrick, so what is the point in playing defensively minded wingers but not have a proper DM or a proper defending left back when we could have! It makes little sense.

Attack , Attack Attack, win or lose I will be happy

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 8:39 pm

Probably Roy's starting XI in Manaus. Rather have England pick players that offer more than Park Ji Sung
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Post by Fernando Sat 07 Jun 2014, 8:45 pm

England starting XI: Hart, Johnson, Baines, Gerrard, Cahill, Jagielka, Henderson, Rooney, Lallana, Sturridge, Welbeck.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:01 pm

Starting XI as expected then.

After this there'll be no more friendlies, just seven games separating this England team from sporting immortality.

The chance of a lifetime, the glory that could define these players' careers, and the sweet, blessed hope that springs out of the fountain of optimism.

Come on England!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:12 pm

I don't mind Welbeck, an unpopular opinion I know. He does a good job from the left and he can chip in with a few goals now and then.
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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:18 pm

If Danny Welbeck played for Norwich he'd have 0 caps.

Chuck Smalling and Jones in that category too
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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:22 pm

GSC wrote:If Danny Welbeck played for Norwich he'd have 0 caps.

Chuck Smalling and Jones in that category too



Smalling i agree with.

Jones, a couple of years ago was regarded very highly by many. Wellbeck. Well, Fergie liked him.

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:24 pm

If Rooney is the English Pele, Welbeck is the English Park Ji Sung
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Post by Kurt N. Jurqa Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:35 pm

Football comes on the tv, wife turns to me and says 'Well this is unnecessary' and turns it to Father of the Bride 2. We'll be having words.

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:37 pm

Gf has delusions about Britain's got more talents
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:37 pm

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Football comes on the tv, wife turns to me and says 'Well this is unnecessary' and turns it to Father of the Bride 2. We'll be having words.

Horrific. Banish her
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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:38 pm

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Football comes on the tv, wife turns to me and says 'Well this is unnecessary' and turns it to Father of the Bride 2. We'll be having words.

The wife is always right Wink 

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:39 pm

Itvs coverage really lacks without the underlying tone of Keane wanting to kill Chiles
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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:42 pm

Players again not singing the anthem with pride.

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:43 pm

Kurt N. Jurqa wrote:Football comes on the tv, wife turns to me and says 'Well this is unnecessary' and turns it to Father of the Bride 2. We'll be having words.

Bin her

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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:43 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Players again not singing the anthem with pride.

Aye Alan Brazil said "what a disgrace"

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:44 pm

Tbf I'm surprised half of them can remember the words
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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:45 pm

GSC wrote:Tbf I'm surprised half of them can remember the words

 Laugh 

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Post by Fernando Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:45 pm

Roy Confirms that Sterling would of started if not suspended.

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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:46 pm

GSC wrote:Tbf I'm surprised half of them can remember the words

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:48 pm

Fernando wrote:Roy Confirms that Sterling would of started if not suspended.

Unless Wellbeck is on fire tonight, think Sterling is a nail on starter next week.

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:49 pm

Sturridge looked suspiciously like he was miming
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Post by skyeman Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:49 pm

Bright start.

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Post by GSC Sat 07 Jun 2014, 9:51 pm

Like to see more thrust
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