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Post by Welly Sun 20 Jul 2014, 3:23 pm

3 Clermont players (Kayser, Pierre and Rougerie0 were attacked by around 10 people with knives, machetes and sabres. Kayser and Rougerie suffered arm damage whilst Pierre was hit in the hip and requires surgery.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2013-2014/top-14-les-clermontois-kayser-pierre-et-rougerie-hospitalises-apres-une-agression_sto4332582/story.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbenjamin%2Bkayser%2Brougerie%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D773

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Post by HammerofThunor Sun 20 Jul 2014, 3:39 pm

WTF??

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sun 20 Jul 2014, 3:54 pm

Hopefully they all have complete and swift recoveries. Horrendous incident.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sun 20 Jul 2014, 4:01 pm

I still can't believe this, its not exactly something you expect to read happening anyway, but to be an attack on 3 pro sportsmen as well.

Hope they all have quick recoveries, and that the people responsible get dealt with asap.
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Post by Notch Sun 20 Jul 2014, 4:51 pm

Crazy.
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Post by justified sinner Sun 20 Jul 2014, 5:38 pm

All the best to them. What the hell is going on in Clermont?

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Sun 20 Jul 2014, 6:26 pm

It happened in Milliau about 200 miles south of Clermont.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 20 Jul 2014, 7:42 pm

I'm not sure if I quite understand: was this a mugging or were they attacked by rival fans or what?

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Post by BigTrevsbigmac Sun 20 Jul 2014, 7:59 pm

They had been to a nightclub in the town and were walking back at about 0300 hours

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sun 20 Jul 2014, 9:54 pm

Seen elsewhere, 15 Clermont players stepped in to protect a girl in a club, and upon exiting were abushed
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Post by ChequeredJersey Sun 20 Jul 2014, 10:19 pm

What a bunch of scumbags
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Post by Majestic83 Sun 20 Jul 2014, 10:22 pm

Yep from what I have heard one of the clermont players stepped in to help a girl being attacked in the nightclub. When them 3 players left the club the 'gang' were waiting outside for them and it kicked off from them.

The cowards who did it are lucky Jamie cudmore wasn't there!

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Sun 20 Jul 2014, 10:24 pm

More to the point they better hope the police get to them before Cudmore does, for everyone's sake
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Post by doctor_grey Sun 20 Jul 2014, 10:32 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:More to the point they better hope the police get to them before Cudmore does, for everyone's sake
Why?  Jamie could save the French people the cost of a trial.  

Machetes and Sabres?  Just look at the news today. - society is losing the plot.  Why is this crap legal?

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Post by Notch Sun 20 Jul 2014, 11:38 pm

I'm pretty sure it's not legal to attack people with Machetes Doc- even in France  Shocked 
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Post by doctor_grey Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:06 am

French society must have advanced in the last few years.....

Last time I had to deal with machete wielding natives was on peacekeeping duty in east Africa in the early 1990's. And that was a ruddy disaster. The 3 lads are fortunate they got out with their skins.

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Post by GLove39 Mon 21 Jul 2014, 2:32 am

doctor_grey wrote:French society must have advanced in the last few years.....

Last time I had to deal with machete wielding natives was on peacekeeping duty in east Africa in the early 1990's.  And that was a ruddy disaster.  The 3 lads are fortunate they got out with their skins.  

Rwanda? How utterly horrific.
How did you keep your head when surrounded by such butchery?

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Post by doctor_grey Mon 21 Jul 2014, 7:41 am

Sierra Leone and Liberia, which was bad enough.  I knew people who went to help in Rwanda, which was probably as low as humans can get.  Quite a few were in real bad shape when they came back.
(I meant west Africa, It was late when I typed that message)

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Post by GeordieFalcon Mon 21 Jul 2014, 8:23 am

Doc how long were you in Liberia and where abouts. I was brought up in Liberia...in land from Monrovia....in the Bong Region.

My dad went to work there as an engineer, but had to come back home when it all kicked off. I remember it...was seriously scary at times.

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Post by Jimpy Mon 21 Jul 2014, 8:43 am

doctor_grey wrote:Sierra Leone and Liberia, which was bad enough.  I knew people who went to help in Rwanda, which was probably as low as humans can get.  Quite a few were in real bad shape when they came back.  
(I meant west Africa, It was late when I typed that message)
 
Sierra Leone was a hoot. The natives did get quite irate at times, but it was easily solved by simply shooting them. Not in a life threatening way you understand, but in a way that would ultimately prove detrimental to their ability to reproduce. My last active tour before leaving the mob in '02. Ah... those were the days.


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Post by lostinwales Mon 21 Jul 2014, 10:20 am

To be honest I would suspect the 'machetes and swords' bit of the quote may be a combination of an exageration and translation. Doesnt make what happened that much less dangerous. Utterly crazy

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Post by jimbopip Mon 21 Jul 2014, 10:45 am

doctor_grey wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:More to the point they better hope the police get to them before Cudmore does, for everyone's sake
Why?  Jamie could save the French people the cost of a trial.  

Machetes and Sabres?  Just look at the news today. - society is losing the plot.  Why is this crap legal?

Doc, I usually love your postings BUT.....
You choose to domicile yourself in a country where any nut job can legally buy just about any fire-arm imaginable. Remember: Guns don't kill people- Americans kill people.
Mind you I choose to live in Essex where the English language is mutilated almost every time someone opens their mouth.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:06 am

Sabres could be blunt fencing sabres, no? Machetes are easy to get, can easily see them being real
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Post by lostinwales Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:10 am

ChequeredJersey wrote:Sabres could be blunt fencing sabres, no? Machetes are easy to get, can easily see them being real

My bet would be meat cleavers

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Post by bluestonevedder Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:41 am

There really are some sick, twisted, and malevolent little degenerates out there. 12 armed men against 3? For standing up and protecting a vulnerable woman? What is the world coming to.

Sometimes it feels like we need another world war to help cleanse society of people who somehow skip the grasps of natural selection.

I sincerely hope that they get what's coming to them.

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Post by lostinwales Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:51 am

bluestonevedder wrote:There really are some sick, twisted, and malevolent little degenerates out there. 12 armed men against 3? For standing up and protecting a vulnerable woman? What is the world coming to.

Sometimes it feels like we need another world war to help cleanse society of people who somehow skip the grasps of natural selection.

I sincerely hope that they get what's coming to them.

One of the (infinite ) many problems with big wars is that the guys who go fight and get maimed and killed are most likely to be the rugby players. The knife wieding little shi ites are likely to be the ones staying at home.

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Post by Majestic83 Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:59 am

lostinwales wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Sabres could be blunt fencing sabres, no? Machetes are easy to get, can easily see them being real

My bet would be meat cleavers

I would imagine it probably would be machetes. They are easily available in France and can be bought in shops in most towns along with items like stun guns, electric cattle prods, cross bows and various things like that.

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Post by HammerofThunor Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:27 pm

Aye. My cousin bought a sword while out there on holiday. Easy to get

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Post by Cyril Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:44 pm

Hang on, you can buy most of this stuff no problem in the UK. It's hardly a 'French' issue in terms of the availability of these items.

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Post by HammerofThunor Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:48 pm

It was more a case of saying these things are available in France. Whether they're more available or not than here isn't (shouldn't) be the point. You can buy swords in France so it shuldn't be a massive shock if someone uses them in an attack.

Anyone remember guys talking about buying nunchucks and throwing stars in the France? Was that all cowpat or has the internet get rid of that reason to visit the continent?

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Post by whocares Mon 21 Jul 2014, 12:55 pm

you can add baseball bats, knives, pickaxe handles and shovels to the list of "weapons" that I have seen mentionned for this incident (I think that by sabre they mainly mean katanas). 4 suspects are already being detained and being heared by the police.
coward acts like that are unfortunately more common in France and rugby players (specially pro ones) are easily targeted eventhough they are the first to avoid any fights. that said, I was surprised it happened in a small town like Millau not really famous for his suburban violence. if it was in Marseilles, the other guys would probably have showed up with AK47...

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Post by doctor_grey Mon 21 Jul 2014, 11:59 pm

jimbopip wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:More to the point they better hope the police get to them before Cudmore does, for everyone's sake
Why?  Jamie could save the French people the cost of a trial.  

Machetes and Sabres?  Just look at the news today. - society is losing the plot.  Why is this crap legal?

Doc, I usually love your postings BUT.....
You choose to domicile yourself in a country where any nut job can legally buy just about any fire-arm imaginable. Remember: Guns don't kill people- Americans kill people.
Mind you I choose to live in Essex where the English language is mutilated almost every time someone opens their mouth.
At least you don't live in Birmingham. Who knows wtf they are saying.

A mild defense of my current residence: In New Jersey it is very hard to purchase a gun, and most police are staunchly against both people having ready access to weapons as well as the states which do allow ready access to weapons. In fact, the NJ state police are fairly well known to pull over cars with southern US license plates on their cars, just because.....

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Post by doctor_grey Tue 22 Jul 2014, 12:17 am

Jimpy wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Sierra Leone and Liberia, which was bad enough.  I knew people who went to help in Rwanda, which was probably as low as humans can get.  Quite a few were in real bad shape when they came back.  
(I meant west Africa, It was late when I typed that message)
 
Sierra Leone was a hoot. The natives did get quite irate at times, but it was easily solved by simply shooting them. Not in a life threatening way you understand, but in a way that would ultimately prove detrimental to their ability to reproduce. My last active tour before leaving the mob in '02. Ah... those were the days.
Bloodyhell, what a party. Didn't you forget to mention the 12 year old lads stoned out on khat and carrying a serious armoury, the occasional village hostile to a few poor lads a long way from home, the local witch doctors, the fact we were not (supposed to be) armed in the bush, getting dropped in the arse-end of nowhere, contaminated water, and so on. Let's not forget the local gentry who didn't subscribe to the notion of peacekeepers. If that wasn't bad enough, not a pint in sight. Was there for 16 weeks in 90 and about the same in 91 (plus a month in rehab). Jimpy, you remind me of a bloke I was paired up with outside Kenema......

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Post by doctor_grey Tue 22 Jul 2014, 12:29 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:Doc how long were you in Liberia and where abouts. I was brought up in Liberia...in land from Monrovia....in the Bong Region.

My dad went to work there as an engineer, but had to come back home when it all kicked off. I remember it...was seriously scary at times.
Geordie,
Never really properly visited because by 1990 Taylor was already up and after Doe at the time. I think Taylor might have been in Bong area back then, but don't really remember. Were you out by then? Was in Liberia twice. Crossed the border from SL once, avoiding a few angry sorts who didn't like me, eventually arriving in Tubmanberg. Second time was being asked to spend two weeks in Monrovia doing the doctor thing. Things were falling apart there at the same time as Sierra Leone.

Maybe you and I lived some of the same things growing up. Dad worked for the Foreign Service and most of my youth until age 14 was spent on his assignments usually in Kenya, Uganda (where I learned to defend myself and also drive really fast over crap roads and trails), eastern Congo/Zaire, and a few lovely spots in south Asia. Never really lived in England until I was 14.


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Post by Jimpy Tue 22 Jul 2014, 8:02 am

doctor_grey wrote:
Jimpy wrote:
doctor_grey wrote:Sierra Leone and Liberia, which was bad enough.  I knew people who went to help in Rwanda, which was probably as low as humans can get.  Quite a few were in real bad shape when they came back.  
(I meant west Africa, It was late when I typed that message)
 
Sierra Leone was a hoot. The natives did get quite irate at times, but it was easily solved by simply shooting them. Not in a life threatening way you understand, but in a way that would ultimately prove detrimental to their ability to reproduce. My last active tour before leaving the mob in '02. Ah... those were the days.
Bloodyhell, what a party.  Didn't you forget to mention the 12 year old lads stoned out on khat and carrying a serious armoury, the occasional village hostile to a few poor lads a long way from home, the local witch doctors, the fact we were not (supposed to be) armed in the bush, getting dropped in the arse-end of nowhere, contaminated water, and so on.  Let's not forget the local gentry who didn't subscribe to the notion of peacekeepers.  If that wasn't bad enough, not a pint in sight.  Was there for 16 weeks in 90 and about the same in 91 (plus a month in rehab).  Jimpy, you remind me of a bloke I was paired up with outside Kenema......

Oh, you might say.... i've been around.

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Post by Hound of Harrow Thu 24 Jul 2014, 1:14 am

This has gone off topic. Apparently several locals were also wounded when they went to the aid of the players.

Hopefully those responsible for the attack will dealt with appropriately.

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Post by Jimpy Thu 24 Jul 2014, 8:31 am

To be fair, it wasn't much of a topic in the first place.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Thu 24 Jul 2014, 9:19 am

Who men have been arrested (and charged I believe) on has previous for drug handling, and the other has previous for extaustion (I believe)
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Post by doctor_grey Thu 24 Jul 2014, 10:44 am

Not sure this really went off topic -  we learned a bit more about a few of us, especially Jimpy who had novel ways to scare off agitated locals.

Wonder if the French blokes will be charged with attempt to murder?

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Post by Jimpy Thu 24 Jul 2014, 11:10 am

If you assault someone with a deadly weapon, I reckon you could be charged with attempted murder by default.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Thu 24 Jul 2014, 11:41 am

DDF On ScarletFever wrote:From ESPN:


French police have charged two men with the machete attack on three of Clermont's players.

Aurelien Rougerie, Julien Pierre and Benjamin Kayser were set upon by 10 men who were brandishing machetes and knives as they left a nightclub in Millau in the early hours of Sunday morning. The trio were hospitalised but Rougerie and Kayser were released on Sunday while Pierre required surgery on the cuts he sustained to his hip.

Five men were detained on Tuesday by French officials and two have since been charged with "aggravated and premeditated group violence using arms," according to Yves Delperie, the local prosecutor. Delperie added: "They were recognised by witnesses and the victims."

According to AFP, the pair both had previous police records with the 20-year-old previously charged with extortion and the 21-year-old for drugs offences.
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