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Post by Hoggy_Bear Mon 18 Aug 2014, 7:02 pm

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Alastair Cook (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Jos Buttler, Steven Finn, Harry Gurney, Alex Hales, Chris Jordan, Eoin Morgan, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes

No Bopara, Carberry or Bresnan, Hales in, but nothing too radical.
Thoughts?

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Post by GSC Wed 27 Aug 2014, 6:23 pm

I never liked Botham. Always tends to shout others down
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 27 Aug 2014, 7:31 pm

Cook's had a moan about Swann's comments

Someone really needs to give him some PR lessons (or the ECB for that case)
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Post by Dorothy_Mantooth Wed 27 Aug 2014, 7:39 pm

GSC wrote:I never liked Botham. Always tends to shout others down

He's mainly full of hot air, great player but very average commentator.

A couple of years he went on what felt like a fifteen minute tirade on modern players being "soft" etc. When England were looking at resting players from Tests. He was lecturing that players shouldn't miss Tests, all the time forgetting that there are many of us who still remember Botham himself missing whole tours.......to do Pantomimes!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 30 Aug 2014, 10:08 am

Finn in for Jordan the only change. England batting first
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 30 Aug 2014, 11:55 am

Cook doing what Cook does in ODI's, gets in slowly and doesn't accelerate
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 30 Aug 2014, 12:28 pm

England doing a typical England ODI innings here, at least Buttler will get time to get in early
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 30 Aug 2014, 12:53 pm

Do people remember that summer when alastair cook proved all his critics wrong by losing three series out of four and failing to score a hundred?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 30 Aug 2014, 1:25 pm

"@JohnSunCricket: England hit one boundary between the 18th and 44th overs. Astonishing."

That makes me really sad
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Post by kingraf Sat 30 Aug 2014, 5:35 pm

It's all good to critique Cook... but The Chosen One aka Hales is having a mare himself... #CookOut
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 11:05 am

"@ECB_cricket: Eng T20 Squad: Morgan Ali Bopara Bresnan Buttler Finn Gurney Hales Jordan Root Roy Taylor Tredwell Woakes #EngvInd http://t.co/hcOUA5iR79"

Bresnan in t20's still? Seriously? He's worse than Dernbach!

Good to see Roy and Taylor in though
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Post by Pal Joey Sun 31 Aug 2014, 11:57 am

Already looking beyond the ODIs I see Olly.

Will be interesting to see how Taylor, Roy and Gurney go in the T20. Would you put any of them in the final 2 ODIs or stick with the same team? Finn didn't do much better than Jordan but I sense he is on the outer now, yeah?
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 12:11 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:Already looking beyond the ODIs I see Olly.

Will be interesting to see how Taylor, Roy and Gurney go in the T20. Would you put any of them in the final 2 ODIs or stick with the same team? Finn didn't do much better than Jordan but I sense he is on the outer now, yeah?
I don't understand how Taylor isn't in the ODI squad anyways LB, he's been the best list A batter for a few seasons now! Roy maybe not yet. The team needs changing, Cook is not an ODI batsman

Jordan's just lost his form, he'll bounce back. Happens
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Post by Mike Selig Sun 31 Aug 2014, 12:49 pm

To be fair to Cook he wasn't batting in the middle-overs this time around when manifestly the main problems happened (didn't watch the game) so I think some of the criticism he's copped over this particular defeat is pre-targeted and unfair.

On the other hand, no way should he be in the side IMO.

Hales is a talent but needs to figure out how to score more fluently in the middle.

England collectively need to sort out how to play spin.

Thing is I don't think England are inherently bad at this one-day stuff. Just not picking the right guys in the right places or using the right tactics.

Re T20 squad, disappointed no Vince, but I can live with Roy Hales Taylor Root Morgan Buttler Bopara Treds Woakes Finn Gurney/Jordan
or similar...
if on the other hand Roy doesn't play I will be a bit cross...

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 31 Aug 2014, 1:07 pm

How the hell isn't Luke Wright in that team? Did the ECB not to see the 2nd half of the tournament? Including his 153 against Essex. Complete idiots.

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Post by chrisss Sun 31 Aug 2014, 1:21 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:How the hell isn't Luke Wright in that team? Did the ECB not to see the 2nd half of the tournament? Including his 153 against Essex. Complete idiots.

It's probably something to do with the fact that he's played 50 t20 internationals and only averages 18. And according to cricinfo, if Notts' Royal London Cup semi final on the 6th needs to use the reserve day, Taylor will stay with Notts and not join up with the Eng squad.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 1:31 pm

Yeah we've seen how the Luke Wright experiment ends
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Post by Mike Selig Sun 31 Aug 2014, 1:52 pm

basically cos Luke Wright is a bit rubbish at international level. Not enough release shots given the number of dot balls he plays out, can't play the short ball and can't play decent spin. Can slog the medium pacers OK which is why he is consistently good at county level.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 1:59 pm

Jason Roy had to retire hurt and is going for an xray on his hand after being hit while batting today.

That'd be some cruel cruel luck
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 3:15 pm

"@surreycricket: Result of X-Ray on Jason Roy's right thumb is badly bruised but no fracture"

Phew
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Post by Mike Selig Sun 31 Aug 2014, 4:17 pm

Badly bruised still might be touch and go, and even if fit it might still affect him.

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Post by freemo Sun 31 Aug 2014, 4:54 pm

Would like to see Gary Ballance get in this odi side, at 3....leave for bell for test cricket..

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Post by JDizzle Sun 31 Aug 2014, 7:36 pm

You won't find anyone who loves some JT action more than me, but T20 is his weakest form.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 31 Aug 2014, 11:32 pm

Reports that they're gonna drop Morgan

Imagine, just imagine looking at that batting line up and going, "yeah Morgs you who's scored the most ODI runs in the last twelve months, you're the issue".

Or the conspiracy in me wants to say they're removing the guy who's the biggest threat to cook's captaincy in this form............
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Post by king_carlos Mon 01 Sep 2014, 2:37 am

Root to be dropped as well from reports.

1.Cook
2.Hales
3.Bell
4.Ballance
5.Ali
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Stokes or Jordan
8.Woakes
9.Tredwell
10.Finn
11.Anderson

Not certain about the batting. Agree Root deserved to be dropped but Morgan for all his lack of big scores still offers something very few batsmen in England do. Plus he is usually an excellent player of spin. It feels a bit like selection on the basis of 'can things get worse'.

For what it's worth I want us to be looking towards something like this for the WC:

1.Hales
2.Bell - Let him open and attack with ball coming onto the bat.
3.Taylor
4.Ballance
5.Morgan
6.Buttler (wk)
7.Bopara - or Ali in Sri Lanka
8.Woakes - Broad to come in when fit
9.Tredwell
10.Anderson
11.Finn

Plus - Root, one of Vince or Roy, Foster, Stokes and Jordan.

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Post by Mike Selig Mon 01 Sep 2014, 10:03 am

Ballance can't nurdle it well enough to bat 4. He's either top 3, or down the order to give it a bash. Your number 4 has to be a bit more versatile, at the moment Root, Morgan or Taylor are the only realistic options there IMO.

I haven't watched England playing ODI cricket that much recently (I'm bored of watching the same sides play each other over and over in meaningless encounters; mind you test cricket is shortly going the same way as well) but it seems like Root has really been struggling whilst Morgan has had trouble converting starts. Surprised about Root who has all the attributes to be a good ODI player, perhaps he needs to be more positive?

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Post by GSC Tue 02 Sep 2014, 10:22 am

Bell injured so Ballance comes in at 3.

Ali for Tredwell and Gurney for Stokes the other changes.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:09 pm

Olly wrote:Do people remember that summer when alastair cook proved all his critics wrong by losing three series out of four and failing to score a hundred?

Lol
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Post by jimbohammers Tue 02 Sep 2014, 12:10 pm

JDizzle wrote:You won't find anyone who loves some JT action more than me, but T20 is his weakest form.

Totally agree. Its almost like the England selectors don't watch cricket

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue 02 Sep 2014, 4:43 pm

Well if that doesn't open the selectors eyes I dunno what will
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Post by JDizzle Tue 02 Sep 2014, 5:07 pm

Our only hope is they send an inexperienced side to SL, on the pretence of resting/not good prep for matches in Aus/NZ and they smash SL. The selectors haven't seen sense for the past 10+ years, so I've good no faith they'll see it now.

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Post by freemo Tue 02 Sep 2014, 5:39 pm

Gurney wont be good enough...can see him getting smashed round the park in OZ...i know he got the wicket today, but it was a dreadful full bunger!

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Tue 02 Sep 2014, 7:30 pm

The sky team were saying afterwards its now too late to change before the World cup

Errr what???

Pull your fingers out England, you moved the 50 comp to the end of the season to coincide with the ODI's and haven't picked the guys blowing it up like Taylor!! Mental

Cook should not be in the side as a batsman, 100% shouldn't be skipper of it. Stop being so bloody stubborn
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Post by guildfordbat Fri 05 Sep 2014, 3:12 pm

Mike Selig wrote:Badly bruised still might be touch and go, and even if fit it might still affect him.

The word from Surrey via a local cricket journalist I know and regard highly is that Roy has "recovered" and is "expected" to play.

Whilst I'm extremely keen to see him in England colours, I do hope he is fully fit and does himself justice. As well as his destructive strokeplay, he's a wonderful fielder, both close in and on the boundary.

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Post by temporary21 Sun 07 Sep 2014, 12:38 pm

Hales did OK in the end, its a good call as we need to be able to score more quickly

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