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Post by The Saint Tue 26 Aug 2014, 3:44 pm

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Will Ospreys be worst team in Wales 2014-15?

Outside of some fairly decent signings (Bernardo, Matavesi, Roberts), and their inspiring captain (AWJ) the Ospreys squad looks very average and the first team could struggle to be within the top 6 of the Guinness Pro12. Squad: http://www.ospreysrugby.com/Teams/Squad/Ospreys. Do Ospreys fans believe little was done when Ryan/Adam Jones, Hibbard declared intentions to move? I think the current squad has potential, but the current coaches will neither develop them or get the best out of them when it comes to the field of play, I think Tandy is the worst pro rugby coach in Wales and quite possibly all of Europe. The departures of the senior players will do little to help either.

Dragons have a slightly better squad this term and are lead by a good coaching panel, as are the Scarlets and Blues. The Blues also have built quite a formidable squad and look the most likely to be winning silverware this season. This is why I can see Ospreys being the worst performing team in the 2014/15 season. To go from the team most likely to win silverware for a No. of years to potentially the worst is unforgivable.


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Post by The Saint Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:08 pm

wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

I'm not changing the thread to suit another one of the blinkered Ospreys fans. I've told you a few times why don't you set up your own thread? You've also stated you aren't bothering to reply here any more so make your mind up.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:13 pm

"Who let the dogs out" lose again, but I liked young Angus at 10. Not afraid to try stuff.

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Post by wayne Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:24 pm

The Saint wrote:
wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

I'm not changing the thread to suit another one of the blinkered Ospreys fans. I've told you a few times why don't you set up your own thread? You've also stated you aren't bothering to reply here any more so make your mind up.
You need to be able to read, LIAR, I said I wouldn't bother with YOU

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Post by The Saint Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:39 pm

wayne wrote:
The Saint wrote:
wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

I'm not changing the thread to suit another one of the blinkered Ospreys fans. I've told you a few times why don't you set up your own thread? You've also stated you aren't bothering to reply here any more so make your mind up.
You need to be able to read, LIAR, I said I wouldn't bother with YOU

Why bother with the thread though dopey, all you've done is whinge because someone is doing the opposite of going down on your team.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:45 pm

The Saint wrote:
wayne wrote:
The Saint wrote:
wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

I'm not changing the thread to suit another one of the blinkered Ospreys fans. I've told you a few times why don't you set up your own thread? You've also stated you aren't bothering to reply here any more so make your mind up.
You need to be able to read, LIAR, I said I wouldn't bother with YOU

Why bother with the thread though dopey, all you've done is whinge because someone is doing the opposite of going down on your team.

Steady on.

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Sep 2014, 10:57 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
The Saint wrote:Nah it isn't Jon Evans, I've always thought he was average. Has Lyn openly stated that he thinks Evans is best? Judging by the Rees' No. of start since he joined I would say he is in the driving seat.

First two games of the season Rees is on the bench Jon Evans starts..!

Wroooongg. Do some research.

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Sep 2014, 11:00 pm

wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

Maybe we should change the title to Nigel loves Ospreys, the cop out clown. Or Ospreys fans love their armchairs.

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Post by Guest Fri 12 Sep 2014, 11:04 pm

First instinct is to comment on a faceless forum rather than enjoy your win though. Well played Wayne. Even if you were at the game, that's ten times worse that you came on here straight away. I told you it was your cup final ladies.

I'd be very concerned that your pack, even with your tired leader got mullered tonight. Thank Christ Nigel saved you and did his usual send two props off when he doesn't know what's going on.

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Post by Breadvan Fri 12 Sep 2014, 11:36 pm

Nigel saved fairbrother from getting schooled by smith. Why he sent both off I dunno. Walker deserved his card. Reckless after missing the ball yet missed the stamp on AWJ head. Just like judgement day, if we had a bit more composure and nows in the 22, the Ospreys would've  be out of sight. That obrien kid did well, thought it was written for him to score the drop goal.
Btw...thought goughy only hit women? Very Happy
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Post by Guest Fri 12 Sep 2014, 11:46 pm

That's a bit of a low dig for one of your ex players. Just watched a bit back and even on 18:48 the Jack, Stuart Davies admits we missed out on a kickable penalty for one of Wales' bright hopes standing up. I'll assume you were at the game, if you think you were on top at the scrums. Maybe the Rodney Parade dishwater beer got to you.

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Post by Welsh Magician Fri 12 Sep 2014, 11:53 pm

Risca Rev wrote:That's a bit of a low dig for one of your ex players. Just watched a bit back and even on 18:48 the Jack, Stuart Davies admits we missed out on a kickable penalty for one of Wales' bright hopes standing up. I'll assume you were at the game, if you think you were on top at the scrums. Maybe the Rodney Parade dishwater beer got to you.
And you call Ospreys fans blinkered. laughing Enjoy the point, you might not see many of them this season. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest Sat 13 Sep 2014, 12:07 am

I don't call the ospreys fans blinkered, I call them plastic and muted. Bit of a difference. Good banter though butt. Enjoy your brass band and atmosphere at moon stadium. I'd be very worried by your scrum, though you can dress it up how you like. I'll take comfort in the fact that our teenage backs will grow and we can get better. Where can you improve? You won't have Nigel to help you out all season mind.

I'll openly admit ospreys were better tonight, as they took two opportunistic tries and we created nothing, but you can't be happy that your bread and butter has gone now. I'd be gutted to see a once fearsome pack shunted off their own ball. Hope AWJ isn't too tired for the rest of the season. He did alright considering he was awoken early from hibernation, the poor dab.

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Post by maestegmafia Sat 13 Sep 2014, 12:18 am

Risca Rev wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
The Saint wrote:Nah it isn't Jon Evans, I've always thought he was average. Has Lyn openly stated that he thinks Evans is best? Judging by the Rees' No. of start since he joined I would say he is in the driving seat.

First two games of the season Rees is on the bench Jon Evans starts..!

Wroooongg. Do some research.

OK Risca...

Dragons vs Connacht: Byrne, Prydie, Morgan, Dixon, Brew, Tovey, J. Evans, Stankovich, Dee, Fairbrother, Landman, Coombs, L Evans, Cudd, Powell

Dragons vs Ospreys: Lee Byrne (capt), Hallam Amos, Tyler Morgan, Jack Dixon, Aled Brew, Jason Tovey, Jonathan Evans; Boris Stankovich, Elliot Dee, Lloyd Fairbrother, Ian Gough, Rynard Landman, Lewis Evans, Nic Cudd, Taulupe Faletau

I watched last weeks games highlights and it was definitely Jon Evans starting, as named in the line ups online and I was actually at the game tonight, saw him run on, start the game and play with Rees on the bench...

Pretty convinced my research is ok.

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Post by Guest Sat 13 Sep 2014, 12:23 am

What was the bench last week and did Richie have a calf niggle? Think your research is garbage beaut. Ah well.

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sat 13 Sep 2014, 1:07 am

Risca Rev wrote:
wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

Maybe we should change the title to Nigel loves Ospreys, the cop out clown. Or Ospreys fans love their armchairs.

Are you suggesting that our very own Nige shafted you this evening coz your team lost?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Sat 13 Sep 2014, 7:02 am

wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

Yes, let's do that two matches into a season. Congratulations on your comprehensive two-point win. OK

I was going to comment sensibly and be more gracious in defeat, but what a clown you are. Say that drop goal had gone over, do you think that would have decided the two sides' position at the end of the season? Would you have come on here and said, 'yep, fair cop, we're definitely going to finish bottom now'?

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Post by Guest Sat 13 Sep 2014, 9:23 am

Cardiff Dave wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:
wayne wrote:Perhaps we should change the headline removing Ospreys, installing Newport Gwent Dragons Again  and removing the Question Mark.  

Maybe we should change the title to Nigel loves Ospreys, the cop out clown. Or Ospreys fans love their armchairs.

Are you suggesting that our very own Nige shafted you this evening coz your team lost?

That's nothing like I suggested, but nice try.

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Post by Breadvan Sat 13 Sep 2014, 9:23 am

I nicked the gough comment off fbook, which was shouted from the terrace. Watched it on scrum v. I rarely go to away games. The Ospreys scrum will improve IMO. We were only shunted back once and Nigel never helps us out. Nige this, empty stadium that. Broken Record
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Post by Guest Sat 13 Sep 2014, 9:28 am

Nige constantly helps you out. How many penalty tries have you had over the years against us, often straight away?

I'd rather be repetitious about your stadium than make jokes about domestic abuse for sure. Classy aye.

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Post by Breadvan Sat 13 Sep 2014, 9:49 am

Oh come on rev, that was shouted from the terrace during the game, no doubt met with raucous laughter. I know the liberty is pretty soulless and I've posted countless times we need our own place. Especially after it's increased next year. 6,000 of us in a 32,000 capacity stad? Crap.
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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Sep 2014, 3:12 pm

Whilst I wasn't 100% we would win last night I did think it was our best chance for a long while given the recruitment we have made this year and the players the Os of lost.

But in the end despite the scoreline I think we were 2nd best by some way, we had lost of possession but threatened very little. It was however good to see our pack gain at least parity and early on be in the ascendance as that have been our weak point for sometime. Also when O'Brien came on 3 of our back line were 20 and 1 was 19 so whilst youth is good I now hope that the likes or Ress, Tovey Brew and Byrne can pass on their experience and help bring these young talenetd boys on.

Despite not being his biggest fan I thought Webb was the main difference last night and I would have also started Rees for us. From a Welsh POV it was good though to Rees have a very good game as we need the likes of him and Davies to really push on now this year. Another good point was Walkers performance, I hope he can have a good clear run of injuries as again we (Wales) need something different to Cuthbert and North.

Yes I was hoping for a win and am bitterly disappointed e didn't get it but given our recruitment I still think this can be our best season for some considerable time.
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Post by The Saint Sat 13 Sep 2014, 4:03 pm

I didn't think Walker had a great game like some are making out. Both of Ospreys half-backs played well, I think MOTM should have gone to either of them.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Sep 2014, 4:06 pm

Saint,

You're right wouldn't say it was great but was a very good game and looked dangerous when he had the chance and like said he is something different to the big boys we currently use. That said both Cuthbert and North have also started season well.
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Post by The Saint Sat 13 Sep 2014, 4:10 pm

I think he has a lot to do to be considered, I'm more of a Jordan Williams fan.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 13 Sep 2014, 4:13 pm

Not so sure there myself both still have lot to prove but at least we do have both them as options.
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Post by Guest Sat 13 Sep 2014, 6:15 pm

The Saint wrote:I think he has a lot to do to be considered, I'm more of a Jordan Williams fan.

Pretty sure Jordan Williams was exposed defensively by Leinster today on more than one occasion.

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Post by Cocokav Sat 13 Sep 2014, 6:25 pm

Scarlets might be the worst after today!

Barclay has obviously already gone independent as he did nothing today.

Jordan Williams, undoubted attacking talent, had the worst game I've seen him play.

Defensive pattern was non existent .

A lot of work to do!

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Post by wayne Sat 13 Sep 2014, 8:14 pm

Risca Rev wrote:First instinct is to comment on a faceless forum rather than enjoy your win though. Well played Wayne. Even if you were at the game, that's ten times worse that you came on here straight away. I told you it was your cup final ladies.

I'd be very concerned that your pack, even with your tired leader got mullered tonight. Thank Christ Nigel saved you and did his usual send two props off when he doesn't know what's going on.
This is in response to all not just you Rev, First, why would I come down to Dave Parade and put money into your coffers, when your lot wont do it because of the WRU having 50% of the stake there, and as for it being our cup final, you had practically your top 23 out there we were about 5 or 6 players short in the 23, your right about Nige, he penalises your tight head, we reset he again penalises your tighthead, we reset again and your tighthead goes down again, but Owen cann't see it and he bins both of them, the man is useless at scrum time, the one scrum that you had ascendency was highlighted IIRC at half time where it shows Evans moving up to become a THIRD PROP, he should have been penalised.
For the Walker incident, he first of all only gave a penalty, then it was shown on the screens and I'm not sure if he brought it to the attention of Bowen or was the other way round, anyway the right outcome prevailed.
LP, you say i'm not gracious, why should I be when I've shown the topic starter to be a liar on 2 different parts of this thread and after I told SS that I would not respond to him again, he comes out with ANOTHER the following day, and the ORGAN GRINDER to his monkey comes out in support of him, and every time he comes out with another LIE about the Ospreys I will pick him out again, if an Osprey supporter tells lies about your team I would expect you to do the same. I've even done it on this site myself, and as for being faceless on these boards, I've said on another thread about what I said to Ian Evans to his face politely I might say how he cost us when he got sent off last year and had a long ban, there is nothing I say on these boards that I wouldn't say to their faces.

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Post by TJ Sat 13 Sep 2014, 8:22 pm

Why are the welsh fans so bitter and nasty? towards each other especially? is this just one or two on here or is it a general thing?
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Post by wayne Sat 13 Sep 2014, 8:33 pm

TJ wrote:Why are the welsh fans so bitter and nasty? towards each other especially?  is this just one or two on here or is it a general thing?
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TJ, I'm not normally aggressive, this thread has really got me going, generally I want the Welsh teams to do well, as for it being a Welsh thing, do you not read some of the Irish topics on here?

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Post by TJ Sat 13 Sep 2014, 8:39 pm

I don't read every post. Just seems to me that the passion of the Welsh overspills into unpleasantness more than others

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Post by wayne Sat 13 Sep 2014, 8:55 pm

TJ wrote:I don't read every post.  Just seems to me that the passion of the Welsh overspills into unpleasantness more than others
TJ, the thing that gets me with this post, and I've already highlighted it is the fact it was started by a Newport supporter and the main contributors have also been their supporters and who has been far and away the worse Welsh Region in that time, which I also showed in a table is them, and finally they have their comeuppance in the FIRST Welsh derby match of the season.

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Post by dragon4life Sat 13 Sep 2014, 11:50 pm

wayne wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:First instinct is to comment on a faceless forum rather than enjoy your win though. Well played Wayne. Even if you were at the game, that's ten times worse that you came on here straight away. I told you it was your cup final ladies.

I'd be very concerned that your pack, even with your tired leader got mullered tonight. Thank Christ Nigel saved you and did his usual send two props off when he doesn't know what's going on.
This is in response to all not just you Rev, First, why would I come down to Dave Parade and put money into your coffers, when your lot wont do it because of the WRU having 50% of the stake there, and as for it being our cup final, you had practically your top 23 out there we were about 5 or 6 players short in the 23, your right about Nige, he penalises your tight head, we reset he again penalises your tighthead, we reset again and your tighthead goes down again, but Owen cann't see it and he bins both of them, the man is useless at scrum time, the one scrum that you had ascendency was highlighted IIRC at half time where it shows Evans moving up to become a THIRD PROP, he should have been penalised.
For the Walker incident, he first of all only gave a penalty, then it was shown on the screens and I'm not sure if he brought it to the attention of Bowen or was the other way round, anyway the right outcome prevailed.
LP, you say i'm not gracious, why should I be when I've shown the topic starter to be a liar on 2 different parts of this thread and after I told SS that I would not respond to him again, he comes out with ANOTHER the following day, and the ORGAN GRINDER to his monkey comes out in support of him, and every time he comes out with another LIE about the Ospreys I will pick him out again, if an Osprey supporter tells lies about your team I would expect you to do the same. I've even done it on this site myself, and as for being faceless on these boards, I've said on another thread about what I said to Ian Evans to his face politely I might say how he cost us when he got sent off last year and had a long ban, there is nothing I say on these boards that I wouldn't say to their faces.        

That post was so bias towards Ospreys if you watched the game you would see that Dragons were on top at every scrum until our replacements came on. Also no mention of when your team took our players without the ball. Who else other than Tipurc and possibly Sam Lewis were you missing?

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Post by dragon4life Sat 13 Sep 2014, 11:53 pm

Also how is Aaron Jarvis an international tight head he is almost as bad as the dragons props last year

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 12:01 am

wayne wrote:
TJ wrote:I don't read every post.  Just seems to me that the passion of the Welsh overspills into unpleasantness more than others
TJ, the thing that gets me with this post, and I've already highlighted it is the fact it was started by a Newport supporter and the main contributors have also been their supporters and who has been far and away the worse Welsh Region in that time, which I also showed in a table is them, and finally they have their comeuppance in the FIRST Welsh derby match of the season.

Been at the bow again butt? Doesn't make much sense. How have we had our comeuppance?

Don't treat TJ as a new poster. He's either dual account or a banned user returning. Not sure why he has to post on this thread and try stirring. Sadly you took the bait.

It has been established that it was a genuine question in the OP, so why are you guys so tetchy about it? Maybe you see it as a possibility, or you wouldn't have to act like it was your cup final last night. I don't get the riddle about organ grinder and monkey either. It seems a bit mixed up?

I'm also confused by what you're on about with the 50% ownership thing, as I'm sure any Dragons fan would attend home games, or they're not real supporters! It seems poorly worded again and you're talking in riddles again.

Who showed the highlight of Fairbrother? Statpad was it? He's neutral mind. I'm sure he fairly selected points of note.


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Post by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 12:02 am

dragon4life wrote:Also how is Aaron Jarvis an international tight head he is almost as bad as the dragons props last year

He's garbage. Illegally binding every scrum too. Bet statpad noticed that mind.

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Post by Welsh Magician Sun 14 Sep 2014, 12:48 am

Risca Rev wrote:
dragon4life wrote:Also how is Aaron Jarvis an international tight head he is almost as bad as the dragons props last year

He's garbage. Illegally binding every scrum too. Bet statpad noticed that mind.
As for illegal binding, if you watch the game back take a look at the ripped off Pro12 logo on Nicky Smith's arm. Wink

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Post by TJ Sun 14 Sep 2014, 2:26 am

I am neither a banned user returning nor a dual account.  I have been coming on here for a couple of years or more.  While a provocative question I know it was also meant.  Look at the scots threads - its just banter between the soap dodgers and the MFLs.  However with the welsh there appears to me that the obvious passion you have spills over into unpleasantness more.  I simply wondered why this was so.  Its obvious this is so and means that I usually avoid any thread with anything welsh in it

AS the response to me from risca shows - anything that could possibly be construed as posible critism of anything welsh gets personal attacks

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 14 Sep 2014, 9:01 am

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Risca Rev wrote:
dragon4life wrote:Also how is Aaron Jarvis an international tight head he is almost as bad as the dragons props last year

He's garbage. Illegally binding every scrum too. Bet statpad noticed that mind.
As for illegal binding, if you watch the game back take a look at the ripped off Pro12 logo on Nicky Smith's arm. Wink

Fairbrother who is quite a short lad often took a step back or dropped his knee which caused his opposing loosehead to collapse head first. He did that to Smith and Duncan Jones who were both penalised for not binding or dropping when it was Fairbrother collapsing.

I didnt think Jarvis had a bad game, scrummaged well against a very handy opponent and his interception in the last five minutes probably gave us the win.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian Sun 14 Sep 2014, 9:28 am

maestegmafia wrote:I didnt think Jarvis had a bad game, scrummaged well against a very handy opponent and his interception in the last five minutes probably gave us the win.

In the first half, if he wasn't dropping his bind he was binding on the arm. Why the assistant referee was happy to just watch it happen I'll never know.

I have to agree with Bedford's earlier post, the Ospreys did look the better side, in that they looked like they knew what they were doing with the ball when they had it. O'Brien made a difference, taking the ball to the line and throwing flat passes, but even then there was no real cutting edge. And as well as not looking like scoring a try ourselves, the two we conceded were pretty soft, especially the second. If there's one thing defences should know about Rhys Webb, it's that he's always looking to snipe.

Wayne, you still don't seem to grasp some simple concepts: first, the thread ASKS whether the Ospreys MIGHT be the worst region this season - it doesn't STATE they WILL be; second, the fact that the Dragons have been worst region most seasons in the past means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when it comes to this season, nor does it mean that Dragons fans are somehow not allowed to comment; third, the current season is two rounds old, and if you think you know how the final table will look based on two rounds of matches, I'd love to be your bookmaker.

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Post by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 12:22 pm

wayne not understanding again. Oh dear me.

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 1:31 pm

https://www.606v2.com/u2904

Guess that's pure coincidence then TJ

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Post by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 1:49 pm

I think TJ left on his own accord but then come back? Not very interesting, but TJ if your only purpose here is to whinge at the Welsh (like it was on the old ID) then bog off. Discuss the OP and you'll be welcome with open arms.

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Post by Breadvan Sun 14 Sep 2014, 2:48 pm

Annnyhoo. I think the Ospreys will be ok. Maybe the players getting a chance now will shine? It seems its everyone versus the media darling blues at the mo. Do Dragons fans think the older players like brew,Byrne etc will tire as the season wears on? Seems a huge age gap between them and the backs..
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Post by TJ Sun 14 Sep 2014, 2:57 pm

Risca Rev wrote:https://www.606v2.com/u2904

Guess that's pure coincidence then TJ

edited - looking at it I obviously ended up with a new ID in the same name.  No attempt to fool anyone or I would have used another name. the reaction to my question shows a lot tho doesn't it. Why are the welsh so touchy? I don't understand.

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Post by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 3:01 pm

Their scrum is still crumbling apart as much as you hate to admit it. Thought you guys were after a South African TH? Early signs indicate that they might do better than I thought, but it's probably better to be judged on performances against teams like Leinster, Ulster, Glasgow, etc.

Dragons need their injured players to come back, along with Brok Harris. I think we'll be more comfortable then. Byrne, etc should be good, but I don't expect them to get any rest. We have a fair few U20s in the team and they might be on Wales U20 duty when the times comes.

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Post by Breadvan Sun 14 Sep 2014, 3:47 pm

That wAs the problem last season. Started great but when it came to playing the big guns we folded like a B&M deckchair.
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Post by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 9:38 pm

Breadvan wrote:Annnyhoo. I think the Ospreys will be ok. Maybe the players getting a chance now will shine? It seems its everyone versus the media darling blues at the mo. Do Dragons fans think the older players like brew,Byrne etc will tire as the season wears on? Seems a huge age gap between them and the backs..

Byrne tires and we have his heir to his throne Amos ready and Brew is not looking very sharp anyway, so Pewtner (who was scoring alright last season) or Prydie could come in. We are okay in the backs. I think we need Ash or Leach fit as Kingsley said, or we look a bit rudderless.

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Post by Guest Sun 14 Sep 2014, 9:39 pm

TJ wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:https://www.606v2.com/u2904

Guess that's pure coincidence then TJ

edited - looking at it I obviously ended up with a new ID in the same name.  No attempt to fool anyone or I would have used another name.  the reaction to my question shows a lot tho doesn't it.  Why are the welsh so touchy?  I don't understand.

Touchy about what? Can a Scottish fan say much, when we should apparently have quotas for the Lions etc? Aye aye butt, keep trolling.

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Post by The Saint Sun 14 Sep 2014, 9:41 pm

And Wardle.

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