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Post by Duty281 Thu 28 Aug 2014, 12:21 pm

First topic message reminder :

Onwards, we go. Latest England squad has been named for the friendly against Norway, and the opening qualifier versus Switzerland.

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Joe Hart (Manchester City)
Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Calum Chambers (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Everton)
Midfielders: Jack Colback (Newcastle United), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal) Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Liverpool), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United)

You know, such a squad does not fill me to the brim with optimism!

Best side we can muster out of that, assuming Roy takes a 4-2-3-1 shape, would probably be:

Hart, Stones, Jagielka, Cahill, Baines, Henderson, Wilshere, Sterling, Rooney, Oxlade, and Sturridge.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm

Doesn't look like a diamond team to me, standard Hodgson 433 but could be wrong.

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Post by sportform Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:11 pm

Not sure I would have gone three in midfield against Lithuania. Surely Carrick and Henderson could cope? Why not play two wingers and two up top? Then try 433 out against Italy.

I would have gone:-

Townsend, Henderson, Carrick, Young (should have been picked)

Rooney

Kane

Against Italy I would have tried:-

Henderson, Carrick, Delph

Walcott, Rooney, Sterling
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Post by Stella Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:16 pm

Welbeck deserves his place, based on past England performances.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:25 pm

4-3-3 against Lithuania with the leading goal scorer in the league on the bench. I've lost faith in woy
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:33 pm

I know we'd all have liked to see Kane start, but reallistically Wellbeck was always going to be ahead of him at this stage (with reasonably good cause it must be said). I really really hope Kane gets a chance in the second half though, great way to ease him into international football in what should be a relatively pressure-free environment.

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Post by Stella Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:52 pm

Welbeck and rooney at it again.
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Post by Duty281 Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:53 pm

Ah yes, it is 4-3-3, I do apologise.

Comfortable start for England as well.

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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:54 pm

good work by Wellbeck there, average goalkeeping really. Just the start England wanted.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 27 Mar 2015, 7:54 pm

So far so good.

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Post by sportform Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:20 pm

I would like to see England play with two wide players and try to stretch Lithuania. There is so much space wide. So far England have been playing far too narrow.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:24 pm

Hurrikane would've had a hat trick by now
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Post by mystiroakey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:28 pm

We need to score another quick . As it's the only way I feel HURRIKANE will come on.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:30 pm

Sweet.

Kane should come on now.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:31 pm

mystiroakey wrote:We need to score another quick . As it's the only way I feel HURRIKANE will come on.

#HURRIKANE
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Post by Mad for Chelsea Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:34 pm

all a bit slow and ponderous from England at times, looked at their most dangerous when Wellbeck or Sterling have been having a run at the defense, and Henderson't played a couple of fine passes, but overall you feel England should really be more than 2 goals to the good.

Having said that, Wellbeck has probably justified Hodgson's faith in him. Clyne has been a bit below par for me, given the ball away too easily. Carrick keeping things ticking over nicely, but not the sort of game where he can make a real statement.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 27 Mar 2015, 8:35 pm

Easy enough for England, breezing to their seventh victory in a row.

Lithuania are sub-standard; poorer that I thought they would be.

Hope Harry Kane gets the entirety of the second half or, at least, the last thirty minutes.

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Post by Duty281 Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:01 pm

Cute Raheem gets the third.

Time for Harry Kane?!

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:03 pm

Come on Woy ffs

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Post by Fernando Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:10 pm

Barkley & Kane coming on (nick jst cummed himself - Clean up in aisle gay)

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Post by Fernando Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:12 pm

Henderson & Rooney off

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Post by Fernando Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:14 pm

Now Nick has just spunked across the half of England

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Post by Crimey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

Surely that's got to be the quickest debut goal for England?

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

On my god.

His first ever england touch.

HURRIKANE

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Post by Duty281 Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

Hmmm....couldn't have scripted that better!

Gorgeous touch by Sterling, though.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:16 pm

INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!! 

This guy is God.

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Post by mystiroakey Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:16 pm

Actually no it wasn't his first touch it was his second.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:17 pm

IT'S THE HURRIKANE
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Post by Fernando Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:18 pm

Walcott on for Welbeck.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:19 pm

Time for everyone to be depressed now.

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Post by Fernando Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:22 pm

Sterling has crippled the LB seemingly.

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Post by Lowlandbrit Fri 27 Mar 2015, 9:29 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Actually no it wasn't his first touch it was his second.
#overrated

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 27 Mar 2015, 10:10 pm

I feared international football at peaked when Germany scored that fifth against Brazil before 30 minutes - little did I realise there was a HURRIKANE on the horizon

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Post by Guest Fri 27 Mar 2015, 10:18 pm

We've got KANE & the top goalscorer in the qualifying campaign in Welbeck. What could possibly go wrong? picard

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Post by Guest Fri 27 Mar 2015, 10:25 pm

Another good win, but let's face it, it's more difficult not to qualify than actually qualify for 2016, given these groups. Welbeck being top goalscorer across Europe tells us everything we need to know about this opposition. Pleased Kane scored, would like to see him against Italy from the start & see the problems he can give them & be able to judge him against the kind of level that we will face come Euro 2016.


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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:37 am

Rooney motm

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Post by Duty281 Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:51 am

Crimey wrote:Surely that's got to be the quickest debut goal for England?

Surprisingly not, it was only the third fastest.

The quickest was by Bill Nicholson in 1951 after nineteen seconds - he never played for his country again, interestingly enough.

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Post by westisbest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 8:06 am

How did Delph play?


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Post by NickisBHAFC Sat 28 Mar 2015, 10:27 am

He was a passenger

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sat 28 Mar 2015, 10:58 am

westisbest wrote:How did Delph play?

Like most Aston Villa players - couldn't hit a barn door from 2 yards away
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Post by Guest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:19 am

baines, jones & delph are the ? for me. i would put welbeck in that category but scoring vs minnows has made people delusional about him, therefore he will remain in the team, only to inevitably fail at the euro's vs the top teams, when you only get one or two chances & not seven or eight a game.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:24 am

LiamB wrote:baines, jones & delph are the ? for me. i would put welbeck in that category but scoring vs minnows has made people delusional about him, therefore he will remain in the team, only to inevitably fail at the euro's vs the top teams, when you only get one or two chances & not seven or eight a game.

Are Switzerland minnows?

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Post by mystiroakey Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:26 am

Bertrand is being called up . So could start v italy.

Jones is getting better again. I think he could be ok.

Welbeck is going back home so we should see a starting line up of rooney and kane. That could prove to be vital come tournament time.

The defence at last should get a work out. It's strange when the friendly is more important than the qualifying game.

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Post by Guest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:34 am

Duty281 wrote:
LiamB wrote:baines, jones & delph are the ? for me. i would put welbeck in that category but scoring vs minnows has made people delusional about him, therefore he will remain in the team, only to inevitably fail at the euro's vs the top teams, when you only get one or two chances & not seven or eight a game.

Are Switzerland minnows?

Welbeck just bangs goals vs weak opposition & him scoring vs these little teams is bad news for us because it delusionally makes Roy think he's good enough for the higher level of the Euro's.

I'd class Switzerland as minnows, what have they achieved.....nothing. They get this ridiculous tag as being a good team & just because they get ridiculously seeded no.1 for a tournament, people class them as being decent. They aren't. France annihilated them in the WC, so did we a few months ago & they aren't even second or on our tails in this group. Apart from Shaqiri, they don't have too much quality.

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Post by alfie Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:38 am

Duty281 wrote:
LiamB wrote:baines, jones & delph are the ? for me. i would put welbeck in that category but scoring vs minnows has made people delusional about him, therefore he will remain in the team, only to inevitably fail at the euro's vs the top teams, when you only get one or two chances & not seven or eight a game.

Are Switzerland minnows?

In fairness to Wellbeck , the whole team failed against the good teams at the WC. He couldn't do much more than play well against the "minnows" when minnows are all that is currently being served up...and scoring against them is surely preferable to not scoring ? Doesn't make him an undroppable superstar but until several better players prove themselves he surely deserves his spot ; and he should get some credit for today.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 28 Mar 2015, 11:51 am

LiamB wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
LiamB wrote:baines, jones & delph are the ? for me. i would put welbeck in that category but scoring vs minnows has made people delusional about him, therefore he will remain in the team, only to inevitably fail at the euro's vs the top teams, when you only get one or two chances & not seven or eight a game.

Are Switzerland minnows?

Welbeck just bangs goals vs weak opposition & him scoring vs these little teams is bad news for us because it delusionally makes Roy think he's good enough for the higher level of the Euro's.

I'd class Switzerland as minnows, what have they achieved.....nothing. They get this ridiculous tag as being a good team & just because they get ridiculously seeded no.1 for a tournament, people class them as being decent. They aren't. France annihilated them in the WC, so did we a few months ago & they aren't even second or on our tails in this group. Apart from Shaqiri, they don't have too much quality.

If Switzerland, one of the best thirty-two teams in the world, are minnows, then what does that make teams such as Moldova, San Marino or Luxembourg?

And, out of interest, are Portugal and Sweden minnows as well?

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Post by Crimey Sat 28 Mar 2015, 12:41 pm

I thought Delph played well, his energy is good and something that nobody else in the squad in that position really offers. I think he did himself no harm with his performance, the more he plays the more settled he'll be.

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Post by Guest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:01 pm

daily mail headline

How can Arsenal solve the Welbeck riddle? He's Euro 2016's top goalscorer but still has much to prove at his club... Wenger must find key to unlocking Danny's direct and deadly international form

Welbeck riddle???? There is nothing to solve, it's quite clear. In qualifying campaigns you face absolutely woeful sides, that give you 10 chances a game. In the PL, whereby the opposition is much, much tougher, Welbeck is anonymous, because he doesnt get the 10 chances a game he needs to bang away a couple of goals. Simple.

Vs minnows - bangs plenty
vs PL sides - pretty much anonymous, misses bagful of chances
vs top sides at international tournaments - massively found out, given only one chance per game, inevitably can't take it.


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Post by westisbest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:43 pm

Olly wrote:
westisbest wrote:How did Delph play?

Like most Aston Villa players - couldn't hit a barn door from 2 yards away

Dont have that problem when we play Norwich Whistle

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Post by Guest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:44 pm

only makes things worse when you read this ''England's performances since the 2014 World Cup will have "frightened" other nations'', says captain Wayne Rooney. picard

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Post by westisbest Sat 28 Mar 2015, 2:46 pm

Crimey wrote:I thought Delph played well, his energy is good and something that nobody else in the squad in that position really offers. I think he did himself no harm with his performance, the more he plays the more settled he'll be.

Ah good, a grown up answer.

Cheers crimey.

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