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Post by JAS Tue 02 Sep 2014, 6:30 am

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McLaren wrote:Right now I would rather we still had Wellbeck and little pea and that Falcao had never arrived.  Not too impressed by the signing of Di Maria either.

"We"?? I'm surprised you associate yourself to an organisation that has squandered over £135 this summer, whilst there are homeless people on the streets and starving children in the world!! They could have spent £135m on those things and left the squad alone, finishing top half would still be ok wouldn't it? Especially if so many peoples lives were improved by redirecting transfer monies to charity.

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Post by navyblueshorts Sun 16 Nov 2014, 9:46 pm

MustPuttBetter wrote:My point being just because no one's job spec includes being a role model, or just because no one signs up to be a role model, surely doesn't mean no role models exist?
True. My point being that it's naive to expect someone who isn't required to act as a role model to actually be one in reality.
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Post by MustPuttBetter Sun 16 Nov 2014, 10:13 pm

But just because you didn't sign up doesn't necessarily mean you're not one?
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 6:53 am

Who would ever see a footballer as a role model?

Largely uneducated, inarticulate, questionable taste in houses/women/cars/fashion/haircuts/on-field behaviour/off field behaviour. Why would anyone want their child to end up like one of them?

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Post by MustPuttBetter Mon 17 Nov 2014, 8:29 am

super_realist wrote:Who would ever see a footballer as a role model?

Young kids who want to be footballers?
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 8:45 am

MustPuttBetter wrote:
super_realist wrote:Who would ever see a footballer as a role model?

Young kids who want to be footballers?

Their footballing isn't the part people are basing their "role model" synthetic outrage on.

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon 17 Nov 2014, 9:18 am

super_realist wrote:
MustPuttBetter wrote:
super_realist wrote:Who would ever see a footballer as a role model?

Young kids who want to be footballers?

Their footballing isn't the part people are basing their "role model" synthetic outrage on.
OK
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Post by MustPuttBetter Mon 17 Nov 2014, 9:49 am

And that's the point isn't it. Different role models fulfill different roles, as the name implies. I don't think anyone would see a footballer as a moral role model, just as a sporting role model. Just like people who see, say Obama as a role model aren't hoping to play basketball like him.
Footballers are role models but in that particular role. People - kids really - can have more than one role model
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 9:55 am

I think the confusion is that people expect footballers to be wholesome, decent, people and it's that part that people see as the role model element.

Given the background of most players, I'm not sure why we'd expect them to be like that.

If all we expect them to do is play football and that's enough to be considered a "role model" then the rest of their life is irrelevant.

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Post by McLaren Mon 17 Nov 2014, 9:56 am

I assume some people on here will be pointing there kids towards Ched Evans for sex education?
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:00 am

Well they certainly won't be pointing them to you for spelling lessons Mac.

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Post by incontinentia Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:12 am

super_realist wrote:I think the confusion is that people expect footballers to be wholesome, decent, people and it's that part that people see as the role model element.

Given the background of most players, I'm not sure why we'd expect them to be like that.

If all we expect them to do is play football and that's enough to be considered a "role model"  then the rest of their life is irrelevant.
In theory that's very sensible super, but as we know, kids who look up to these football stars tend to pay attention to their off-field antics as well. You don't think it's reasonable to expect a certain standard of behaviour from athletes in the public eye?
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Post by MustPuttBetter Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:19 am

super_realist wrote:I think the confusion is that people expect footballers to be wholesome, decent, people and it's that part that people see as the role model element.

Given the background of most players, I'm not sure why we'd expect them to be like that.

If all we expect them to do is play football and that's enough to be considered a "role model"  then the rest of their life is irrelevant.

I agree, I would expect them to be wholesome in terms of what you might expect from a sportsperson - professional, hard working, decent with fans etc
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Post by Bob_the_Job Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:19 am

Every time anyone even remotely famous or in the public eye gets done for something we hear the cry of "But how could he/she/it do that thing to him/her/it - don't they realise they're a role model for the young!?" Well they were a role model, but now they're the poster child for getting caught and punished.

I turn it around and tell my kids "See? Don't be a tw@t like them. Don't do what they did."
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:21 am

INco, I expect people to be decent human beings regardless of whether you are a footballer or someone who cleans toilets, I don't necessarily think a footballer is someone worthy of looking up to by and large, there's nothing especially admirable about most of them (certainly the ones who end up in the media) on or off the pitch

I'm more concerned that people think a footballer is/would be a good role model in the first place.

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Post by incontinentia Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:35 am

Jimmy Bullard seems like a nice guy
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:41 am

incontinentia wrote:Jimmy Bullard seems like a nice guy

What I mean is that football isn't a noble or admirable game. It's full of cheating, dissent, disrespect, underhand tactics etc etc. Not things which are redeemable.

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Post by incontinentia Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:54 am

Yeah I was messin' super, he's on I'm a celebrity, which to my shame, I watched last night.

I agree that football isn't a noble game, a lot of today's players would do well to take a leaf out of Roy Race's book.

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Post by GunsGerms Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:58 am

super_realist wrote:
incontinentia wrote:Jimmy Bullard seems like a nice guy

What I mean is that football isn't a noble or admirable game. It's full of cheating, dissent, disrespect, underhand tactics etc etc. Not things which are redeemable.

A bit of bending the rules should be ok in team sports but football is a joke these days. Roy Keane should be banned for a year for squaring up to a linesman and eyeballing him during the Ireland v Scotland game. Disgracefuly disrespectful to a match official. Ashamed to be an "Ireland" fan.

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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 11:08 am

Very true Guns, like I said previously, what exactly is it about the game or players either on or off field which is something you ought to see as something to aspire to?

Keane is utter scum. If anything, Football/Footballers is something we should use as an example of something that you shouldn't want to turn out like.

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Post by hend085 Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:20 pm

it looked more like the ref squared up to him from what i saw?

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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:22 pm

The whole "i'm hard" thing you get from the likes of Keane, Ince etc is laughable.
I remember Duncan Ferguson throwing the self proclaimed "guv'nor" to the ground like he was Julian Clary

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Post by navyblueshorts Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:30 pm

super_realist wrote:The whole "i'm hard" thing you get from the likes of Keane, Ince etc is laughable.
I remember Duncan Ferguson throwing the self proclaimed "guv'nor" to the ground like he was Julian Clary
What they do isn't "hard", it's cowardly. Anyone can deliberately break the leg of an opponent in football if they are psychotic enough. Doesn't make it "hard", just pathetic and an assault in all but name.
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Post by GunsGerms Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:35 pm

super_realist wrote:The whole "i'm hard" thing you get from the likes of Keane, Ince etc is laughable.
I remember Duncan Ferguson throwing the self proclaimed "guv'nor" to the ground like he was Julian Clary

Keane learned the disgraceful intimidate the officials tactics from Alex Ferguson who was also IMO a scumbag and very influencial in the growth of this culture in British football.

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Post by beninho Mon 17 Nov 2014, 12:51 pm

I have always loved football, it was the sport i was brought up with and played more then anything else. But Football especially in UK, has become a bit rubbish. The football is good (at times) but it is now all about winning, The players, dive and cheat, then all blame goes to the referee, the Ref is probably the cleanest player on the pitch. Managers come out and speak rubbish after the game, fans get riled up. Football message boards are just full of so much bile. And football phone ins are just horrible but addictive. I heard a Chelsea fan declare they have outgrown the premier league, and if they dont win all 4 cups it will have been a bad season. This is Chelsea, who nearly went out of business 10 years ago, and won the league once before the dofy russian took them over. 10 years of success does not mean the past 100 of mediocrity can be ignored. It is just business playing business.

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Post by GunsGerms Mon 17 Nov 2014, 1:03 pm

There should be a cap on foreign players in British football. Two per team max. I know that probably isnt possible for lots of reasons but it would improve the sport and the England, Scotland and Wales teams which IMO are more important that club football.

There should also be much more scrutany placed on foreign investment with sanctions placed on prospective investors with illicit pasts. Again this is impracticable because football has no morals and isnt a sport anymore but there you go.

Finally if I was the taoiseach of Ireland I would establish a Kim Jong-Un approach to football and completely ban anyone in Ireland from watching or participating in British football. In doing so I would redirect the approx billion euros per annum spent on British sport by Irish people back into Irish sports.

I would start by banning anyone on social welfare from buying tickets to premier league games, wearing ManU pajamas and having sky sports subscriptions.

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Post by hend085 Mon 17 Nov 2014, 1:56 pm

there is actually alot of validity in your point re sky sports subscriptions.

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:06 pm

Funny how you see more satellite dishes on a council estate than anywhere else

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:11 pm

MustPuttBetter wrote:Who's job spec would include 'being a role model'?

Mine. Fairly normal if you are leading a team isn't it?


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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:11 pm

Isn't there a direct correlation between the size of your TV and your living room and your financial standing?

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:12 pm

super_realist wrote:Well they certainly won't be pointing them to you for spelling any lessons whatsoever Mac.

Just corrected it for you super.

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Post by McLaren Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:16 pm

super_realist wrote:Isn't there a direct correlation between the size of your TV and your living room and your financial standing?

What size of TV do you have?
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Post by GunsGerms Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:21 pm

I say Super has a very narrow black and white TV.

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Post by raycastleunited Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:23 pm

GunsGerms wrote:I say Super has a very narrow black and white TV.

Laugh Laugh

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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:23 pm

Mac's the peasant Guns.

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Post by McLaren Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:50 pm

Can't deny that super.

But what size of TV do you have?
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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:53 pm

A modest 38 inch, but I do have a very high ceiling.

Can't admit to watching much television though Mac, not much good on.

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Post by McLaren Mon 17 Nov 2014, 2:56 pm

Ok, you can test your theory now. I have a 28 inch TV.
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Post by GunsGerms Mon 17 Nov 2014, 3:02 pm

Just bought google chromecast for my TV. Anyone use it? Any tips?

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon 17 Nov 2014, 8:57 pm

A Major League Baseball player has just signed a $325M, 13-year contract.
That's about three times the official PGA Tour lifetime earnings of Tiger Woods.
And Woods has one a Major or fourteen.
This guy ain't won nuffink.

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Post by super_realist Mon 17 Nov 2014, 9:42 pm

Amazing someone can make so much money in a sport which is so boring and one nation centric.


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Post by Shotrock Mon 17 Nov 2014, 10:07 pm

Baseball is a wonderful sport; not boring at all to me (and obviously millions of others).

Worth $325 Million. Silly question -- absolutely, since he's being paid that. (It only takes a market of one to "make market")

Lots of nations play baseball ... have you looked at a major league roster lately (or ever)?

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