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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Oct 08, 2014 4:58 pm

First topic message reminder :

1).No Steven Gerrard around to inspire our Golfing friends, but the 2014/2015 PGA Tour season starts this week in California's Napa Valley, at Johnny Miller's Silverado resort. None of the current players were around when Silverado was a regular Tour stop, so the slate is wiped completely clean for the Frys.com Open.

2).Two topics have dominated the US Golfing headlines this past week:
~Tiger Woods, because he always does, whether it's his new restaurant, poor taste in jeans or the extraordinary spectre of his participating in a Ryder Cup task-force. Gawd knows why - what on earth does he have to offer?

~The continuing US Ryder Cup post-mortem. It seems most of the low-hanging blunders from Watson are now picked over by the journos, with the most sensible conclusion being that their ignominious visit to Scotland was a total Team effort, from top (PGA President Bishop) to bottom (Webb Simpson's unseemly stream of texts to his Captain pleading his case to be on the Team - instead of his fellow Wake Forest alum, Bill Haas, as it turns out).  

3).I see David Howell has been added to the European brains trust selecting Darren Clarke for Hazeltine. Good.

But what does Colin Montgomerie think he's doing, allowing himself to be quoted that the top five candidates are Messrs Clarke, Bjorn, Harrington, Westwood and the Mechanic? Would have thought he should be doing the impossible and stfu. Perhaps he's hoping for the riposte: "What about you Monty?"? Berk.

4).Meanwhile, the PGA tour are exacting their own petty revenge by grouping Kuchar, Mahan and Walker together for Thursday and Friday at the Frys, and sticking Westwood with Ben Crane. That'll learn ya Lee!

5).Interesting to cast one's eye over the Tour's 2013/2014 year-end stats. Among lowlights are:
~Drive for show, putt for dough?
The top four in driving distance (Bubba, Dustin, Rory and Holmes(T4)) all won tournaments, with 3 x Majors and 2 x WGC's amongst them) while Matt Every is the only Top 5 putter to have won (and he promptly disappeared).
~Fairways and Greens? Only Jim Furyk of the top 5 straightest drivers finished in the FedEx Top 50, whilst two (Toms and Slocum) missed the Play-Offs altogether. And Chad Campbell led those hitting the highest %age of greens only to miss the Play-Offs.
~The leading putters were McDowell, Baddeley, Chalmers, Every and Jacobson - only Every won and Chalmers putting genius returns to the web.com Tour.

6).One stat that doesn't lie, not too much anyway, is the "all around" ranking where Scott leads the way, followed by Dustin & Rory, Sergio, Ryan Palmer, Justin Rose and Bubba. The first real outlier is Kevin Chappell and this is a timely reminder that Chappell will win one day, and don't be surprised if the California boy plays well this week.

7).We're only a month away from the first WGC tournament of the new season, the HSBC Champions in Shanghai. There will be no defending champion as Dustin is still in exile, but entries into the field via the owgr Top 50 closes after next week's tournaments - and it won't be long before we're looking at the owgr Top 50 year-end channel into the 2015 Masters.

8).Amazingly (to me anyway) Frannie Molinari is not exempt into any of the next 12 months' Majors or WGC's. Given his slide in the world ranking to #49, I'd say he's taking a huge risk dividing his time between Europe and the US. At least last year's flops, Colsaerts, Hanson, Lynn, Olesen etc, had some double-dipping to help them but Molinari doesn't have anything unless he can secure a year-end Top 50 Ranking. A strong finish on the Algarve this week will help a lot!

9).The Tour follows Napa Valley with a trip to Las Vegas next week (Padraig Harrington among the early declarations) and then the Georgia Coast for the McGladrey before heading overseas to Malaysia and Shanghai.
The fields will be respectably strong at each tournament as most players who got off to a good start last "fall" enjoyed decent seasons - winners like Walker, Simpson, Moore, Kirk, Dustin, English.
Those who play well in the autumn will likely take most of the West Coast Swing off and there are growing concerns that these Hawaiian and California events will be weaker than usual.

10).But there are 47 tournaments, some of them "opposite field" stops, and most of the cream will rise to the top.
Just like the final Premier League table, the year-end rankings don't lie, and Lee Westwood, for one, could use a high finish this week to boost his motivation for the new season.
Message to Englishman Casey, Davis, Donald, Poulter and Westwood; This is how you rated last year:
Davis: 110th
Westwood: 107th
Casey: 95th
Donald: 89th
Poulter: 78th.
Any other sport and you'd've been relegated, the year-end rankings don't lie!

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Post by robopz Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:21 pm

Guess nobody's happy in Portugal today except Levy who gets the win in 36 hole official event. Events have to be 54 holes on the PGAT to be official.. just ask Adam Scott about that one.

Also this is another example where the OWGR biases towards the Euro Tour... An event shortened to 36 holes is supposed to lose 25% of its OWGR value... BUT... not below the tournament minimum (which is 24 for the Euro Tour)... so instead of this event dropping from 26 to 20 OWGR points to the winner... Levy will get 24.

(and to be clear... the same thing can happen with a low rated PGA Tour event, but the bias comes into play because the Euro Tour has far more lower rated events, so it's a lot more likely and occurrence an thus benefit on the ET. If the same thing would have happened at the Fry's.com event this week.. it would have dropped from 36 to 28 points... )

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:31 pm

sirb,
Trouble is, Padraig hasn't had a proper win for more than six years now . . . . . . precious few top tens the past couple of years.


robo,
Couldn't agree more; I'd halve the subsidies, making them virtually non-existent. The Challenge and w.c subsidies are too high also. Doesn't do anyone any good in the long run.

Isn't Adam Scott the only 36-hole casualty, as if the rule was introduced especially for him? Not sure why they folded the tent early in Portugal; what's wrong with playing golf on a Monday??

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Post by GPB Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:49 pm

robopz wrote:Guess nobody's happy in Portugal today except Levy who gets the win in 36 hole official event.  Events have to be 54 holes on the PGAT to be official.. just ask Adam Scott about that one.

Also this is another example where the OWGR biases towards the Euro Tour... An event shortened to 36 holes is supposed to lose 25% of its OWGR value... BUT... not below the tournament minimum (which is 24 for the Euro Tour)... so instead of this event dropping from 26 to 20 OWGR points to the winner... Levy will get 24.

(and to be clear... the same thing can happen with a low rated PGA Tour event, but the bias comes into play because the Euro Tour has far more lower rated events, so it's a lot more likely and occurrence an thus benefit on the ET. If the same thing would have happened at the Fry's.com event this week.. it would have dropped from 36 to 28 points... )

I pointed the 26 vs 24 phenomena over in the OWGR thread.  Levy is going to move to about 75th in the OWGR, well within range of getting a Masters invite with continued good play.

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Post by GPB Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:55 pm

kwinigolfer wrote: Not sure why they folded the tent early in Portugal; what's wrong with playing golf on a Monday??

Well, I think there is an issue with getting some of the tournament infrastructure back to London for the Volvo Matchplay.  Officials like to have scoreboards and towers installed before the tournament starts.

I have heard that Volvo has bailed as tournament sponsor and looks like this tournament is being shelved for at least a year.

And it could have more of the same weather on Monday.

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Post by pedro Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:01 pm

sirbenson wrote:Agree with GPB, all Padraig has to do is play better and if he were somehow to win, it would take care of everything!
Does he have Tom Watson as his coach? boxing

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Post by kwinigolfer Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:02 pm

Long-range forecast for London suggests unseasonably warm weather late next week, but showers mid-week. Breezy/windy.

What about the rumour, especially strong in my house, that Volvo will take over the WGC MatchPlay?

Otherwise that's just another black eye for nO'Grady.

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Post by navyblueshorts Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:57 pm

pedro wrote:
sirbenson wrote:Agree with GPB, all Padraig has to do is play better and if he were somehow to win, it would take care of everything!
Does he have Tom Watson as his coach? boxing
Thinks Watson could tell him a thing or two. Stop f***ing about w/ your swing for one thing...
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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:38 am

What might have been for Laird - haven't seen his short game so hapless since his first year on Tour. Still fancy his chances in Las Vegas though.
Nice finish from Westwood; perhaps this might inspire him to play some more early tournaments. He could do himself some big favours with some astute schedule planning these next two months.
Very rusty from Knox - but let's hope that's what it is as he has some tournaments coming up that he's played well in.

Team USA somewhat awol on the final leaderboard. Surprising.

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:57 am

Strange comments by Westwood in the wake of his good finish yesterday; evidently after Thursday's poor Round 1, his caddie (not sure if it was BF) spotted that Lee was addressing the ball aiming to the right on every shot. Straightened him up and three fine rounds followed. (Still not clear where he's aiming some of his putts though.)

lw1 playing the CIMB and HSBC Champions, so more good rounds like this weekend and his PGA Tour season will be off to a good start.


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Post by pedro Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:12 pm

Strange it was his caddie who had to figure that out.... Headscratch

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:27 pm

Surprising that Jamie Donaldson didn't spot that at Gleneagles.
But, there again, maybe he did!

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Post by pyormin Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:34 pm

Very happy for Retief, first top 3 in the pga tour since 2011 or '12 I think. Very Happy

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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:46 pm

py,
I followed Retief for 18 holes a couple of months ago, at a tournament he enjoyed a good finish.
But, even though he was playing with two guys (Clark & Watney plus caddies) who were having a blast and engaging with the "gallery", Goose and his caddie just went quietly/miserably about their golf.
All played well, but wouldn't Goose (and some others of course, but he's been at it for a generation!) enjoy his golf more if he only smiled once in a while and acknowledged the crowd?

Always like to see him do well, but it's hard work following him. Pain-free so could have a very good year.

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Post by sirbenson Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:33 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:sirb,
Trouble is, Padraig hasn't had a proper win for more than six years now . . . . . . precious few top tens the past couple of years.

That's true Kwini but he is starting to make cuts recently and sure if Oliver Wilson can win out of the blue, no reason why Padraig can't do it.

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Post by sirbenson Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:40 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:sirb,
Trouble is, Padraig hasn't had a proper win for more than six years now . . . . . . precious few top tens the past couple of years.

That's true Kwini but he is starting to make cuts recently and sure if Oliver Wilson can win out of the blue, no reason why Padraig can't do it.

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:50 am

Jaime Diaz writes in this week's GolfWorld that Rickie Fowler joins Tiger Woods, and others, on the PGA's Ryder Cup "task force".
Surely there's something wrong with this picture, and it's not Tiger's jeans.
Fowler has played 2 x Ryder Cups, has a horrendous record with zero wins, and has the same number of PGA Tour wins as Jim Benepe and Andre Stolz.
Perhaps the criteria is to have every equipment and clothing manufacturer represented, though Corey Pavin has reportedly not been invited.
Incredible.

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Post by Roller_Coaster Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:52 am

But (he starts in a devil's advocate type of way) is it that surprising that someone young and likely to be involved for many years on the inside as a player should be called upon? I'd suggest that is forward thinking (particularly for US golf!) and sufficiently different to the existing approach that it might be very useful. No, he has not yet been blessed with a multitude of tour wins, but the Ryder Cup isn't about tour wins is it? It's getting the best out of a team that aren't used to playing/thinking as a team. If you're going to have young(er) players in the teams, then pick one that is likely to be around the upper echelons of the game for some time and get him involved. Don't leave it solely to the "pringle jumper" generation (fee free to supplant "mom jeans" in there) or surely they risk repeating the recent result cycle ad infinitum.

Rather than there being something wrong in that picture, I would counter that assertion and suggest it may prove to be sound thinking. Whether it will pay dividends I don't know but I consider the selection to have foresight and it will bring additional balance into the set up.

Woods and to a lesser extent Micklewhinge seem, to me, to be the stranger inclusions in this particular team exercise given their apparent isolation in teams (TW) and recent backstabbing reactions (FIG). Yes they are arguably the most successful tour players of the prior generation but they come across as very much self centred and so not who I would target any team focussed activity round.

We will see...

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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:01 am

I can't see how filling up a "task force" with a bunch of disparate losers is going to help their cause.

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Post by pedro Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:08 am

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/report-pga-task-force-include-tiger-phil-and-rickie/

"The addition of Fowler on the task force rates as a mild surprise considering he is 25 years old and has played in just two Ryder Cups, but last week Bishop said the PGA wanted the task force to be as inclusionary as possible."

What about John Daly?  kiss

I think they need another task force to form this task force. It will be just as dysfunctional as the team... Good news is that it certainly looks like another European victory in 2016.

Meanwhile Zinger is sitting at his Florida home working on his "own plan"... raspberry

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Post by incontinentia Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:23 am

Perhaps Woods was selected because of his involvement with the U.S. Navy Seals? The concept of a 'task force' has its origins in the military.

I hope their efforts are successful, we need more competitive Ryder Cups.
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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:32 am

But, Roller, there are plenty of young American golfers with better credentials than Rickie. You may pour scorn on a "Pringle jumper" generation, but why not pick your young leader from among those with a proven record rather than a catalogue of near misses?
Like Dustin Johnson??!!

Many a true word spoken in jest and all that, but Daly and Dustin got wherever they are by winning.
Rickie got where he is by wearing orange and a silly cap.

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:59 am

Of the 8 men said to be on the PGA task force, only Tom Lehman has a winning Ryder Cup record.
Others include the top five all time in losses, plus Rickie who's trying to break the record for "halves".
Lehman's the only winner, but not when it comes to Captaincy - how'd your trip to Ireland go, Tom?

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Post by navyblueshorts Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:15 am

pedro wrote:http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/report-pga-task-force-include-tiger-phil-and-rickie/

"The addition of Fowler on the task force rates as a mild surprise considering he is 25 years old and has played in just two Ryder Cups, but last week Bishop said the PGA wanted the task force to be as inclusionary as possible."...
What the **** is wrong with the word "inclusive"?????? Is 'inclusionary' a cross between 'inclusion' and 'imaginary' perhaps?
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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:17 am

Inclusionary?
It's a cross between "inclusive" and "delusional".

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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:17 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
pedro wrote:http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/report-pga-task-force-include-tiger-phil-and-rickie/

"The addition of Fowler on the task force rates as a mild surprise considering he is 25 years old and has played in just two Ryder Cups, but last week Bishop said the PGA wanted the task force to be as inclusionary as possible."...
What the **** is wrong with the word "inclusive"?????? Is 'inclusionary' a cross between 'inclusion' and 'imaginary' perhaps?

Have they been to the same Grammar school as George Bush? That's right up there with burglarise and misunderestimate.

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Post by McLaren Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:24 am

I would rather know what is wrong with people who make comments on internet forums about other people grammar?  I am sure there is an area of study you struggle in navy/super, if you share what that is I will happily oblige with some ridicule if that is what you are into?
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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:26 am

McLaren wrote:I would rather know what is wrong with people who make comments on internet forums about other people grammar?  I am sure there is an area of study you struggle in navy/super, if you share what that is I will happily oblige with some ridicule if that is what you are into?

Mac, it wasn't an internet forum goof, it was a direct quote from the Golf Channel.

Don't these people have editors? Journalists are supposed to be experts in the language in which they write.

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Post by pedro Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:36 am

Mac, if this forum wasn't inclusionary we wouldn't have you on it... laughing

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Post by navyblueshorts Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:43 am

McLaren wrote:I would rather know what is wrong with people who make comments on internet forums about other people grammar?  I am sure there is an area of study you struggle in navy/super, if you share what that is I will happily oblige with some ridicule if that is what you are into?
It's called English. There's no need to invent words for ones that already exist. I wasn't ridiculing; I was insulting. Deliberately, because it's pathetic.

Edit: it's also plain lazy simply because some berk can't be bothered to either learn the language (arrogance?) or look it up. By all means correct me when you see a mistake Mac. I'd rather learn than continue being a prat.
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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:20 pm

PGA Ryder Cup "Task Force" announced.

More delusionary than inclusionary.

Bunch of proven losers.

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Post by golfermartin Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:48 pm

I think you are all being a little unkind. Team USA have two options: first continue just the way they are and continue to lose or to try to something - anything - that might just turn the tide. They have to be seen to have an action plan. They cannot fill their Task Force with winners, because they don't have any. But maybe by pooling their resources and working together they might come up with something. Maybe join forces with South America?Whistle

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Post by pedro Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:54 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:PGA Ryder Cup "Task Force" announced.

More delusionary than inclusionary.

Bunch of proven losers.
A bunch of sycophants + Phil, and a twist of Tiger = Interesting cocktail. For sure it's sour. Bubbly

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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:57 pm

I'd be interested to know the combined population of the countries that have represented Europe with that of America.
I think it would be pretty even, perhaps Europe slightly lower.

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Post by McLaren Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:14 pm

The total population of the countries that have had a player in the European Ryder cup team is as follows;


UK 64.1 (population, millions)
Ireland 4.6
Germany 80.7
France 66.6
Italy 60.7
Denmark 5.6
Spain 46.7
Belgium 11.2
Sweden 9.7

Total 349.9

The population of Europe as a continent, not the European Union, is around 740 million.


The population of the US is 318 million.


I am unsure what the participation rates are in each area but in terms of population Europe has the upper hand over the USA.
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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:16 pm

Good work Mac, I couldn't be arsed looking it up myself.
Pretty close though and an advantage of 31 million isn't commensurate with 8 wins in the last 10.


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Post by McLaren Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:27 pm

The variables that could be used to anayse how a region produces pro golfers would be complex and contain things such as population, participation, coach numbers, quality of coaches, number of tee times available etc.

But whatever the systems here are the number of top 100 golfers they produce.

Europe 32 (ish)
USA 41 (ish)

Rough counts from going down OWGR list.


So regardless of population and participation numbers the USA has a very strong pool of top 100 players to pick from. Probably indicating it is fair to have the format as USA vs Europe. The USA have the quality (and in numbers) but we are getting very lopsided outcomes, especially in the longer term.


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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:37 pm

Looks like we need to do a bit more digging as to why America are such losers then.

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Post by pedro Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:41 pm

Give them Latin America and Canada. That should bring them to 1 billion.

EDIT: At least it will give them some good players. Eastern Europe only gives us Kafelnikov.

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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:48 pm

Kafelnikov almost has the same Ryder Cup record as Gerry Watson.

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Post by pedro Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:52 pm

super_realist wrote:Kafelnikov almost has the same Ryder Cup record as Gerry Watson.
Better! He hasn't lost more than he has won.

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:16 pm

Careful. Mac will be adding the Russian population to his comparison Europe vs USA . . . . . . .

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Post by GPB Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:45 pm

One "modern" definition of insanity is to do the same thing, over and over again, and expect different results.

This Task Force is doing something different.  Will it work?  I don't think so.  I think they will be victims of a "Group Think".

Personally I think it is a "knee jerk" reaction to do something completely different.  The fact is the USA lost in 2010 and 2012 by the slimmest of margins and virtually any different lineup in the 2012 singles would have won the cup.  The perfect storm aligned for the Euros to win the singles 8.5-3.5.

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Post by super_realist Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:54 pm

I'm really not sure what a Task Force is there to discover? Are they trying to work out why they always lose? Are they looking for a way to beat Europe?

If so, I'm not sure how filling it with Ryder Cup deadbeats is going to achieve anything but maintaining the status quo, might as well fill it with legless war veterans

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Post by robopz Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:08 pm

Nice event for Jarrod Lyle. Obviously goal #1 is earning enough money to be fully exempt and his $33k earnings got him about 11% of the way to what he needs in that regard.

But he did himself a much bigger favor with the 36.5 FE points he earned. Jarrod started 52nd on the Webbie priority list, but he's tentatively moved up to 12th for the next reshuffle coming at the end of Mayakoba. Even if Lyle doesn't make another cut for the rest of the year, this past week helps alot. Last year 36 FE points would have been good for 26th Webbie priority at the reshuffle, but this year with an extra event in there, I'm guessing 36 points will be maybe 30-32nd at worst. Last year #32 priority was good for at least 4 starts from the Sony through the 2nd reshuffle after Riviera.

My guess is Jarrod gets at least 3 more starts this fall, and possibly 4. But all but maybe one of those is going to have to come via Sponsor Exemptions, but I think he'll get them. And if Lyle can duplicate this past week's result twice more in those starts... that should put him top-10 Webbie priority after the first reshuffle. Even without Sponsor's Exemptions, top-10 priority should be good for at least 4 events to start 2015 before the next reshuffle after Riviera.

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Post by robopz Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:14 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Perhaps the criteria is to have every equipment and clothing manufacturer represented, though Corey Pavin has reportedly not been invited.
Incredible.
Why would they invite Corey then... Lisa Pavin was in charge of everything anyway... Whistle

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Post by Roller_Coaster Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:18 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:But, Roller, there are plenty of young American golfers with better credentials than Rickie. You may pour scorn on a "Pringle jumper" generation, but why not pick your young leader from among those with a proven record rather than a catalogue of near misses?
Like Dustin Johnson??!!

Many a true word spoken in jest and all that, but Daly and Dustin got wherever they are by winning.
Rickie got where he is by wearing orange and a silly cap.

I'm interpreting your post(s) that you do agree with the principle of a "young" golfer being included (as they are going ahead with the so-called task force anyway, so that isn't under discussion) and that for you Fowler isn't perhaps the right youngster to include. If so, it's opinion as to the more appropriate one (and long may such differences of opinion continue, it'd be dull as ditchwater otherwise!). I'd buy DJ as yes he's won more tournaments but has only been in 2 Ryder Cups himself and is now 30. Whilst 30 isn't "old" by any stretch, Fowler also has 2 under his belt and is only 25. Yes he has looked ridiculous (unlike his bank balance, thank you Mr Puma) but he has got a bloody good game now under Harmon as the majors last season attest, and could (should) realistically be looking at playing involvement in the next 7 (or more) cups. I'm not up on golfers stats/age/RC performances etc by any stretch, so maybe my views aren't as backed up as the plethora of you that hold more knowledge on the tours but I personally can't see a better young candidate to include.

Incidentally - I'm not pouring scorn on that generation per se (apologies if that is how it has come across), more the idea that entrusting the future solely to them would appear to me to be folly (I guess I am that generation myself now btw Crying or Very sad )

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:35 pm

robo,
I think Lyle has said he's taking his act home to Australia after 'Vegas, playing the ANZ circuit.
Doubt Summerlin will suit him as much as Silverado unfortunately, or at least play to his strengths.


GPB,
Assume that Watson will have offered some sort of de-brief to the PGA, but wonder why they've chosen two of his VC's, plus three of his players. Does this mean Stricker is the Captain-elect, I wonder? Sure Tiger would be in his corner.

Still feel as if they've chosen individuals rather than "Team" men.

PS:
Roller: Actually considered going all "Pringle" and offering Butch Harman as being a worthy candidate to be on such a Task Force. He's in touch with young players like Rickie, plus sees the bigger picture which, with all due respect to the first XI, they don't!
(Nothing against Rickie either, except that he's the poster child for marketing the PGA Tour etc, and don't feel as if he's done much to deserve it, though he's certainly had a fine year.)

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Post by GPB Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:01 pm

Butch Harmon would be an EXCELLENT addition to the US Team room.  He is the closest thing US has to a Darren Clarke/Jimenez type personality.

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Post by kwinigolfer Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:29 pm

The World Challenge Field:

http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/10-top-15-set-tigers-world-challenge-event/

Not sure what it will say about the state of Tiger's game if he doesn't win a tournament at his home track.

But a boatload of owgr points; NEDBankesque, of course.

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Post by GPB Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Jason Day's back must not be bad enough to go to Orlando, but bad enough that prevents him from playing in the Aussie Open.

This field is a solid 46 (SOF=256), unless there is a couple of key WD's, I don't see it going to a 44.

Since Rory is not playing Tiger's event, I can't see Tiger's going to play Rory's event in Ireland

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