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Post by kwinigolfer Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:43 pm

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Sr,
1).Correct. Wonderful is right. Though in the American order of things behind the NFL, College Football, High School Football, NBA, College B'ball.
2).Not much of a market: 21,000 per home game.
3).But no other nations pay their players a fraction of this sort of bounty. He'll probably end up using PED's, just like his predecessor as highest paid.
Ridiculous money!

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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:02 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
super_realist wrote:
beninho wrote:Lallana is not young though is he! I do not see anything in Chambers, i can see why Clyne kept him out the saints team last season. Good to see that Arsenal produced two of the 6 mentioned. And even then Kieran Gibbs, is not that good, and Jack Wilshire, is good but his career has not really taken off. Remember when Arsenal played Barcelona and Pep was asked about wilshire, he declared him nothing special and they have many of his type in the B team coming through.

Didn't think Clyne looked very good, mind you in a relative sense, all UK teams are a pretty poor standard. No team would be looking at that match last night and be worried about either team.

I tend to agree with you super. The current England team is pretty mediocre; the world cup demonstrated this. Just because the team has won 6 games in a row against minnows like San Marino and Scotland doesn't suddenly make them world beaters.

However I was glad that they out-classed Scotland last night. Not because I dislike Scotland but because it illustrated the gulf in class between England and the other home nations. The current England team are relatively weak for a country that should realistically expect to progress to quarter final stages of major tournaments. They are still miles ahead of the also-rans in world football.

Make no mistake though, England are also rans too.

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Post by beninho Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:07 pm

England are consistent qualifiers for all championships. They may not achieve much but in terms of getting to events, they are within the top group in Europe.

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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:33 pm

beninho wrote:England are consistent qualifiers for all championships. They may not achieve much but in terms of getting to events,  they are within the top group in Europe.


In terms of tournaments they are also rans. England are consistently 2nd/3rd tier competitors along with loads of other countries who are there to make up the numbers, and I would certainly question that they are within the top group in Europe.



There are probably different levels of also rans, and you could consider England to be better than Wales, Scotland, NI, Ireland etc but remember Ireland qualified for the last Europe and were woeful, they were also-rans in that tournament, just as England were in the World Cup.

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Post by Davie Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:47 pm

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McLaren wrote:But crucially they currently play for Arsenal, so when labeling them it makes sense to refer to them as arsenal players.  

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That was a dig at davie not kwini.

Was it? I wonder why it was aimed at me and not kwini who said the same thing?

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:51 pm

Mac's digs should be seen as a badge of honour. Let's share it!

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:13 pm

If true this is interesting, the secret footballer tweeted the following fact;

"Manchester United's academy has produced more footballers currently playing in Europe’s top 5 leagues than any other club in the UK."
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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:16 pm

Why is that interesting or surprising Mac?
I would think that if asked the question 9/10 people would probably guess that.

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Post by kwinigolfer Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:20 pm

Can't believe that is breaking news, Mac.
Pity they're mostly playing for other clubs.

Also: Would think it's been true, at least in British football, for most of about 70 years.

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Post by GunsGerms Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:41 pm

What are the numbers of academy players playing outside of the UK and is that indiciative of the PL's over reliance on established overseas players.

What is the point of having an academy if you arent giving any of those players a chance? Philantrophy?

All you have to do is go to the ManU academy wiki page to see that very few of the players they listed as notable academy players made it at ManU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C._Reserves_and_Academy

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Post by raycastleunited Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:55 pm

What seems to happen in England is that many academy players don't quite cut it when it comes to getting into the 1st team at Man U, Chelsea etc, so they drop down a grade and play in the championship or even several grades lower and play in the Scottish Prem.

Very few British players try their luck abroad. It's a real shame, I'd love to see young England players going to Germany and Italy in search of 1st team football, it would educate them so much.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:48 pm

This is a team of players still playing who used to play for man utd and came from the youth system

Ron-Robert Zieler

Phil Bardsley
Pique
John O'Shea
Shawcross


Darron Gibson
Paul Pogba
Cleverly
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Giuseppe Rossi
Danny Wellbeck

Subs
Matty James
Kieran Richardson
Danny Simpson
Frazier Campbell
Ravel Morrison
Robbie Brady
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:56 pm

It will always be very few players that come through the academy to properly represent the main team.
I was in Woking's academy and they used to tell us if they got one player per age group through to represent the first team they had done their job. And that's Woking, who you'd think would be more reliant on their academy than bigger teams.

I disagree with so many of the comments above re the England team that it's not even worth starting ha! football more than anything, is a game of opinions as is proved here
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:57 pm

Ps and so many of those opinions are wrong Wink Run
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:00 pm

Mac, United brought Rossi in from Parma when he was 17. Hardly a product of the youth team. Well, he was, Parma's!
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:02 pm

And the same re Pique from Barcelona. A bit tenuous to say the least that list of yours!
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Post by beninho Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:07 pm

And Zeiler spent 5 years at koln before joining Manchester.

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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:10 pm

Pogba ditto, joined at 16
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:15 pm

Cristiano Ronaldo joined at 18, might as well claim him too Mac
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Post by navyblueshorts Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:15 pm

MustPuttBetter wrote:Pogba ditto, joined at 16
...who then left. How dare he???? How dare he think it might be better to play football regularly and that Manchester Utd are not the be all and end all??? How dare he ignore the great Sir Alex???
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Post by MustPuttBetter Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:16 pm

Indeed. Was certainly a mistake to let him go, he looks excellent now and still young
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Post by incontinentia Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:22 pm

Been on holidays recently super?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/bono-underwent-five-hours-of-facial-and-reconstructive-surgery--including-three-metal-plates-and-18-screws--after-ny-bike-accident-9870365.html
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Post by GunsGerms Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:25 pm

That was a really nasty accident. Poor lad.

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Post by incontinentia Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:29 pm

He's had a bad run of luck recently. A door fell of his plane mid-flight, chased down the street by German anarchists, and now this!
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Post by super_realist Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:30 pm

Shame there wasn't a cliff nearby.

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Post by McLaren Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:47 pm

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Post by pedro Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:40 pm

incontinentia wrote:He's had a bad run of luck recently. A door fell of his plane mid-flight, chased down the street by German anarchists, and now this!
If something happened to him would it be pro bono? Whistle

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Post by navyblueshorts Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:57 am

pedro wrote:
incontinentia wrote:He's had a bad run of luck recently. A door fell of his plane mid-flight, chased down the street by German anarchists, and now this!
If something happened to him would it be pro bono? Whistle
Only if it was a +ve thing. I think these might be con Bono...
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Post by Roller_Coaster Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:06 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
pedro wrote:
incontinentia wrote:He's had a bad run of luck recently. A door fell of his plane mid-flight, chased down the street by German anarchists, and now this!
If something happened to him would it be pro bono? Whistle
Only if it was a +ve thing. I think these might be con Bono...

Bono con, isn't that what he did to get his album on everyone's iTunes?

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Post by incontinentia Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:42 pm

One of my mates said he was cycling too close to the edge... Very Happy
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Post by raycastleunited Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:44 pm

incontinentia wrote:One of my mates said he was cycling too close to the edge... Very Happy

Laugh nice one.

Maybe he had a sudden attack of vertigo?

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Post by raycastleunited Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:45 pm

I heard he swerved to avoid a jogger in central park who suddenly stopped. He was running to stand still.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:47 pm

Maybe he's just a tw@t and he couldn't see out of his sunglasses.

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Post by GunsGerms Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:14 pm

In fairness his accident was fairly serious. He had five hours surgery, 18 bolts attached, multiple broken bones including one bone protruding from his skin. Sounds like some people are almost happy about this? Strange world we live in.

I wouldnt wish that on anyone.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:18 pm

I wouldn't wish it upon anyone either, but now it's happened it doesn't mean we can't make light of it, nor does it mean we are required to have sympathy for him.

He's a deeply unlikable person who I've always had disdain for, and I'm not going to be a hypocrite by wishing him a speedy recovery.

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:27 pm

Hope he didn't damage his shades.

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Post by westisbest Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:46 pm

I'll wish him a speedy recovery.

Not a good thing to happen to anyone.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:47 pm

westisbest wrote:I'll wish him a speedy recovery.

Not a good thing to happen to anyone.

yeah, he better get well soon, because the world needs him Laugh

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Post by westisbest Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:53 pm

Yeah ok whatever you say.

Another good post from you Very Happy


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Post by GunsGerms Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:20 pm

super_realist wrote:I wouldn't wish it upon anyone either, but now it's happened  it doesn't mean we can't make light of it, nor does it mean we are required to have sympathy for him.

He's a deeply unlikable person who I've always had disdain for, and I'm not going to be a hypocrite by wishing him a speedy recovery.

I dont think anyone will think you are a hypocrite if you refrain from rejoicing in his fairly horrific injury. There is a difference in not liking someone and wishing them harm. Big difference.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:37 pm

I'm not wishing him harm, but I certainly don't care that he is injured.


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Post by raycastleunited Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:44 pm

Oh Super, you're So Cruel. But you don't need to show concern, with or without you he'll get though it.

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Post by super_realist Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:47 pm

Well they do say "Pride" comes before a fall don't they?


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Post by pedro Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:12 pm

incontinentia wrote:...chased down the street by German anarchists!
Anarchists? I bet that street had no name.

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Post by kwinigolfer Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:23 pm

German anarchists shouting Achtung Baby . . . . .

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Post by incontinentia Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:20 am

pedro wrote:
incontinentia wrote:...chased down the street by German anarchists!
Anarchists? I bet that street had no name.
They were chanting "make Bono history!" Laugh
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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:20 am

Sunday Bloody Sunday eh Bono? Can't have been a Beautiful Day for him

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Post by SmithersJones Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:50 am

For people who purport to dislike or even hate U2, you all seem to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of their back catalogue.
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Post by Roller_Coaster Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:37 pm

SmithersJones wrote:For people who purport to dislike or even hate U2, you all seem to have an encyclopaedic knowledge of their back catalogue.

As evidenced in just One thread

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Post by Roller_Coaster Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:39 pm

These certainly are Mysterious Ways to proffer disapproval of their discography.

Anyone else overwhelmed yet? I'm a bit Numb to say the least.

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Post by super_realist Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:45 pm

perhaps we should just Walk On, I'm not sure I've still got the Desire.

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