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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 3:51 pm

Five that will stay undefeated..

Frampton.....Will finish the year number 1 in is division.

Degale....Won't fight George or Carl but wins a belt..

Manny....Won't fight Floyd....But beats JMM and TBA..

Wlad....Beats Fury and other slobs..But Fury has his moments..

GGG...Cements his middleweight standing by adding another belt and beats Murray in 5..

Five who won't...

Quigg.....Loses to Frampton next summer...

Mayweather....Can't find the punch he needs to stop Khan's better workrate..

Brook.......Not convinced by the Porter win....Reminds me of Michael Watson for some reason...Will successfully defend once however.

Groves.....Something missing after the two fights with Froch...Will fail in his ABC bid..

Danny Garcia...Boxing's biggest overachiever will finally lose..


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:14 pm

Nice Xmas/end of year OP.

Like/agree with your 5 'wills'.

Like/agree with your 5 'won'ts' apart from, of course, you predictable Floyd rubbish.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:20 pm

Mayweather is 38 next year...

My opinion...You don't share it..

Fairplay.


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Post by TopHat24/7 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:24 pm

It's more that I don't think its your opinion, but something you say (and have done previously) to make PBF's predictable win more impressive when it happens.

Unless Khan looks superb against Devon, I can't see Floyd being too worried.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:27 pm

Khan isn't a great win for Floyd....

Petersen and Garcia showings have seen to that...

Do I rate Khan's skills highly...Yes I do...

and I always have......

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Post by Dipper Brown on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:31 pm

Agree with your winners. Hope you're wrong about Groves and I agree about Brook, plus getting stabbed isn't going to do him any good.

Mayweather? No idea who he'll fight so I can't comment. Although I'm fairly sure he won't be fighting Manny.

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Post by 88Chris05 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:34 pm

Interesting stuff, Truss. Agree on a few but in some cases I think it's difficult to predict how the land is going to lay for them.

I'm on the same page as you with regards to Garcia - I think he's done very well to beat the guys and win the belts he has so far, but if he keeps mixing it with the top guys (which he does, in fairness) then I think he'll ship a loss soon. He looks vulnerable but keeps finding a way to get through, but that doesn't last forever.

Also agree that Groves looks a bit jaded and might need a few months out of the ring to recharge his batteries before taking on another ranked contender in the Summer, maybe even Autumn and then go for the WBC shot. Unfortunately, I think his war of ego with Degale means he won't want to risk seeing Chunky beat him to a world title so he'll dive straight back in head-first and try to force the Dirrell fight a.s.a.p.

Not sure with Brook, Quigg or Mayweather - there is some scope there for them all to get beaten, but it's questionable as to whether they'll be fighting guys a) who are really from the top plate, or b) guys with the right kind of style to beat them.

As for the 'will' guys you've listed, Golovkin looks like a dead cert; he says that 160 is still his priority for the time being and I just don't see anyone in that division who stands out against him. Wlad is also a pretty solid pick although there's a chance that the step up in class, starting with Stiverne, is going to tell us some things we didn't know about Wilder, and if it does then you never know (I don't think it will, mind you).

How does Frampton finish as the number one Super-Bantam, though? By beating Rigondeaux or by Rigondeaux moving up to 126? Can see the latter, but not the former. Don't think Frampton will want to go anywhere near Rigondeaux judging by the comments he's made.
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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:35 pm

Groves has looked really sloppy hasn't he...

Could be a motivational issue after two PPV headliners..

But I doubt it..Think he's left something at Wembley ..Mate.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 4:39 pm

Rigo is getting old for a 122 pounder ..But I think he'll move up!!

If he doesn't I still like Frampton's chances..

Timing is everything..

50/50...


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Post by Seanusarrilius on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 5:41 pm

Nice thread. Agree that Groves doesn't look the same fighter. Best thing he can do is forget about Dirrell right now and rest. See how he is after 3/4 months rest. Groves is head strong though, and slightly delusional, so will prob go to the states and get knocked out by Dirrell late on.

DeGale will become world champ
Pac will fight May
Fury will fight for world title versus Stiverne v Wilder winner
Joshua will win the British title
Frampton will beat Quigg, handily

Groves won't become world champ
Ricky Burns will lose again and retire
Khan won't get May fight
Bellew will get knocked out by Huck
Haye will come back, and lose

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Post by wheelchair1991 on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 6:18 pm

Im not sure degale will be champ especially if he has to face andre dirrel for the vacant strap once froch vacates but i hope im wrong!!

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Post by hazharrison on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 8:22 pm

Think Frampton chins Avalos and Quigg.

Golovkin won't lose - not at this level.

Wlad could go if Stiverne, Wilder or Fury actually go after him. I think he'll fight Jennings and Briggs, though, so who knows?

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Post by horizontalhero on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 8:32 pm

If he fights Wlad I can't see Fury "having his moments" . It will be very similar to the Pulev fight. If you are technically inept Wlad will hit you, and if he hits you, he will hurt you. I expect Fury to go out on his shield, and be brave whilst taking his lumps, but Wlad is too good at what he does.
Not sure that Khan v Mayweather gets made if Khan shines against Devon, Floyd is a smart man, and if he has lost a bit a speed he won't be looking to box against one of the division's fastest men. Let's face it, he not going to risk his 0 unless there there is shed loads of money on offer.

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Post by WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs on Mon 08 Dec 2014, 9:48 pm

5 that will
Canelo, think he beats Cotto and makes a successful defence by the end of the year
Wlad, for your reasons, no one can touch him atm
Frampton, think he's surpassed Quigg
Thurman, think he won't get Floyd but will cream the opposition but infront of him
GGG, no one at 160 can hurt him at present, Lemieux has s punchers chance and if Canelo is better at 160 than 154 than maybe but can't see that fight happening just yet

Wonts;
Danny Garcia, as you put
JMM, feel like he fights a true prime welterweight which looks likely he's not winning too small
Mikey Garcia, think he's transcending the weights too quick people are linking him with crawford and pacquiao etc and hasn't fought at lightweight yet
Bellew, not good enough but ambitious will get beaten up by huck

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 2:12 pm

I got a crappy 4/10 ............... Sad Sad Cool

2016
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Five that will.....

Wilder - Won't fight anybody
GGG - Stay at middle...
Frampton - Beats Quigg and has two soft defences..
Brook - Probably beats Khan and has two softies after..
Degale - Will probably beat Groves and avoid Smith...

Five that won't
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Fury - Loses the rematch or to Haye..
Quigg - Frampo beats him....
Crawford - Will lose to Manny...
Kovalev - Think stevo will land the big one..
Rigo - Think age will catch up with him.....

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Post by hazharrison on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 2:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I got a crappy 4/10 ............... Sad  Sad  Cool

2016
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Five that will.....

Wilder - Won't fight anybody
GGG - Stay at middle...
Frampton - Beats Quigg and has two soft defences..
Brook - Probably beats Khan and has two softies after..
Degale - Will probably beat Groves and avoid Smith...

Five that won't
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Fury - Loses the rematch or to Haye..
Quigg - Frampo beats him....
Crawford - Will lose to Manny...
Kovalev - Think stevo will land the big one..
Rigo - Think age will catch up with him.....

Can't see Crawford, Kovalev or Rigo losing and just feel DeGale is always a step away from letting a decision slip.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 2:25 pm

Fair enough...

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Post by Derbymanc on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 3:04 pm

I'll play.

Five that Will.
Ward - Will move up and clean up again, finally showing how good he is
Quigg - Beats Frampton in a close fight before losing the rematch in Belfast setting up a rubber for 2017
Fury - Beats Wlad in a rematch, then Haye to set up the BIG AJ clash in 2017
Brook - Beats Khan and starts matching against decent opposition
Campbell - Steps up and wins a portion of the strap

Five that won't
AJ - Continues to fight never wills until his big bout with Fury in 2017
GGG - Still doesn't step up, we all get bored and stop watching
Mayweather - gets tempted by a Manny rematch, but after reviewing the hoo haa afterwards (again) says nope
Manny - AFter being turned by Mayweather gets splattered by someone else and retires (head held high really)
Bid Ed - Viewing figures start to dwindle on Sky and Box Office as fans are sick of mismatches and utterly boring bouts.


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Post by Guest on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 3:23 pm

Enjoyed looking back at those predictions, shame more of us (including me) didn't join in..anyway

Five that will -
Kell Brook - always said he has the beating of Khan and if the Summer fight is on he has enough motivation surely
Luke Campbell - Like the kid a lot. Nice lad but also has a fair bit of spite in his punches.
Lee Selby - Think he'll do well but sadly it'll be under the radar
AJ - this is dependent on whether or not he can take a punch of if he's another Big Frank
David Haye - Too savvy to risk another public humiliation and will "be selective" in his opposition. Think he beats Wilder with something to spare and hopefully levels Fury.

James Degale - he's talking about fighting GGG (if he moves up) and his confidence in his ability is, I believe, misplaced
George Groves - As much as I like him, I think the first Froch fight was his moment and I for one will always be grateful for the smacking he gave Froch before the intervention of Mr Foster.
Josh Warrington - he's a local(ish) lad but couldn't knock the skin off a rice pudding. Not chance he'll make it big.
Tyson Fury - For me he has to beat Wlad again and prove the first fight was just a bit of a fluke. Maybe he does but there's still something about him that makes me think he's like Herbie Hide and will implode sooner rather than later.
Benn and Eubank - Hopefully they'll have the dignity not to get their proposed third fight on and spare us the British Leonard/Duran III instead of the Ali/Frazier III the media will sell it as.


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Post by catchweight on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 4:03 pm

Hits:

Golovkin - gets his Alvarez fight at a 157lb catchweight late 2016, wins by KO
Frampton - defeats Quigg, possible Donaire fight?
Degale - avenges Groves defeat or unifies title

Misses:

Ward - talks a lot, big fights dont materialise
Haye - ditto
Bellew - splattered by a top cruiserweight if Matchroom ever decide to stop using him as a card filler

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Post by Adam D on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 4:06 pm

Five that will:

Mayweather will fight again
Haye will get another title shot and lose again (be it Fury or Wilder)
Quigg will beat Frampton via knock out (or TKO)
Luke Campbell will be a world champion
James DeGale will be undefeated in 2016

Five that wont:
Tom Stalker will quit boxing
Crolla will lose his belt in his second defence
Brook will lose to Khan
Wlad will lose to Fury again
Wilder will lose his belt to a nobody (in relative terms - not Haye, Joshua or Fury)

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Post by Dipper Brown on Tue 08 Dec 2015, 6:01 pm

I'll have a go

Those who will:

Khan - beats Brook one sided in a stadium fight. Huge build up before hand.
Frampton - beats Quigg and sniffs around another belt holder, possibly unifying (properly at the end of next year or the beginning of 17)
Callum Smith - gets a shot at WBC and takes it.

Those who won't:
Canelo - dips his toe in middleweight but won't defend against GGG next year
GGG - will dine out on the 'most avoided man in boxing' tag calling out everyone from 154-168 but never leaving 160 (Not saying he should but don't call out boxers from other divisions. Talk is cheap).
Froch - talks about comebacks all year. Fights no one.
Wilder - if he fights a unification, he gets hammered.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Wed 09 Dec 2015, 5:12 pm

My turn  boxing (and I'm using 6 instead of 5, just because.) king

Those who will:

Kovalev - continues his March through the LHW division, although still can't get a fight with Stevenson.
Quigg - gets a big shot in against Frampton when behind on points and finishes the job. Has a gimme first defence.
GGG - stays at middle, gets another belt.
Khan - wins a war against Brook where his chin is tested but he survives it and sneaks a points decision in a massive fight.
Joshua - gets tagged but stays upright and continues to terrorise the heavies, grabbing the Euro title and is No1 contender for at least one organisation by the end of 2016.
Spence Jr - lives up to his hype by getting some big fights and cruising through them with ease. The next big star at welter.

Those who won't:

Alvarez - dodges GGG as he won't give in to catchweight. Fights a nobody. The WBC love this.
Fury - a motivated Wlad knows EXACTLY what to do in the rematch and ends Tyson's short reign with a sledgehammer right, then rides off into the sunset. Fury will still be trying to remember what happened in 2018.
Ward - promises big fights but doesn't deliver. Gets DQ'd against Cleverly for over-use of the head.
Broner - gets utterly hammered (possibly by Spence Jr) and goes crying to Floyd asking him to sort out his conqueror. Floyd ignores him.
Wilder - finally takes the Povetkin fight. It's a war, but it only lasts 3 rounds with 7 knockdowns, all from the fists of a clinical Povetkin. Wilder never fights again.
Mitchell - gets arrested (again) and destroys what is left of his career.

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Post by bhb001 on Thu 10 Dec 2015, 7:49 am

Only a couple from me

Haye will win easily in his comeback fight and then not fight again in the year, saying that Fury et al are all ducking him because they know he is the true heavy weight champion of the world blah blah blah when the truth is he doesn't want to put the hard work into proving he actually is world class

Fury will beat Wlad again and continue to embarrass us all on the world stage. He will have two more fights in 2016, both against sub-standard opposition and proclaim himself the most active heavyweight champion ever

Froch won't make a comeback, but continues to hint that he will whenever there is a big fight on because he now misses the lime light, but does not miss getting punched

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 10 Dec 2015, 10:20 am

wheelchair1991 wrote:Im not sure degale will be champ especially if he has to face andre dirrel for the vacant strap once froch vacates but i hope im wrong!!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 10 Dec 2015, 10:20 am

hazharrison wrote:

Wlad could go if Stiverne, Wilder or Fury actually go after him. I think he'll fight Jennings and Briggs, though, so who knows?



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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 05 Dec 2016, 12:27 pm

Didn't do too bad did I..

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 05 Dec 2016, 12:30 pm

2017

Groves wins belt..
Degale loses to Smith
Fury comes back..
Haye doesn't fight for a title.
Joshua beats Briggs in unification..
Brook loses to Khan.
Kovo out points Ward..
Yafai remains undefeated after winning belt.
Whyte loses to Wilder

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Post by Rodney on Mon 05 Dec 2016, 1:24 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:2017

Groves wins belt..
Degale loses to Smith
Fury comes back..
Haye doesn't fight for a title.
Joshua beats Briggs in unification..
Brook loses to Khan.
Kovo out points Ward..
Yafai remains undefeated after winning belt.
Whyte loses to Wilder

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I think Degale will stop Smith should he get past Jack. I've seen Smith fight in the flesh fight about 5 times now and he just doesn't impress as a world level fighter. I will say he's an absolute beast in size for his weight more like a Cruiserweight he has that going for him but I'd fancy Degale, Groves, Jack etc all to beat him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 05 Dec 2016, 1:55 pm

Fair enough Rod....

We see what we see..

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Post by rodders on Mon 05 Dec 2016, 2:07 pm

McGregor and Mayweather to win 1 a piece Smile
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Post by AdamT on Tue 06 Dec 2016, 10:09 am

Mayweather beats Pacquiao in rematch
Brook flattens Khan in the summer
GGG comes from behind to knock out Canelo
Anthony Joshua knocks out Wlad and Fury. Maybe Wilder too
Chris Eubank gets revenge against Saunders
Degale gets revenge on Groves
Lomachenko moves up to fight Crawford (wishful thinking, but would love to see that)
Ward beats Kovalev in a close fight, but with no controversy.
Frampton has a showdown with Selby and wins close decision.


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Post by hazharrison on Tue 06 Dec 2016, 7:47 pm

AdamT wrote:Mayweather beats Pacquiao in rematch
Brook flattens Khan in the summer
GGG comes from behind to knock out Canelo
Anthony Joshua knocks out Wlad and Fury. Maybe Wilder too
Chris Eubank gets revenge against Saunders
Degale gets revenge on Groves
Lomachenko moves up to fight Crawford (wishful thinking, but would love to see that)
Ward beats Kovalev in a close fight, but with no controversy.
Frampton has a showdown with Selby and wins close decision.


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2. Don't think it ever happens.
3. They won't fight.
4. He might not get past Wlad and Fury surely banned if he returns.
5. Will Warren deal with Senior? Will anyone?
6. Easy fight.
7. Arum won't cash out his two best fighters. One will fight Pacquiao.
8. Probably.
9. Wins by KO.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Tue 06 Dec 2016, 9:23 pm

My turn

5 who will.

1. Joshua continues his unbeaten run but is tested by Wlad.
2. Groves finally wins a belt at the 4th attempt.
3. Frampton gets a late stoppage vs Santa Cruz in their rematch.
4. Kovalev wins the Ward rematch emphatically, actually keeping Ward on the floor this time, sets up big rubber match.
5. GGG flattens Jacobs after half a dozen painful rounds. Canelo still avoids him.

5 who won't.

1. Bellew is absolutely poleaxed by Haye, and then in his next cruiser defence walks on to a big right from Breidis, losing the belt. Blames everyone who does't support Everton. His kids still have food though.
2. Briggs loses to the first half decent heavy he faces.
3. Several big name fighters fail drug tests in questionable circumstances.
4. Fury stays out of the game.
5. Haye still tries to kid everyone he's the Man at heavy, even though he only fights Bellew and a Croatian strongman contestant.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 9:01 am

One who won't Carl Froch, won't be coming out of retirement:

http://www.boxingscene.com/froch-laughs-critics-who-say-he-ducked-golovkin-fight--111489

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Post by milkyboy on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 9:37 am

.... now golovkin was never a serious option, Chavez was... Chavez being the sh*t one for big money. I agree with Carl though, it's just like Bruce lee dying in order  to avoid mike Tyson. And this the man who bitched at  calzaghe all those years ago. Golovkin was never an option but they did discuss weight. Carl was retired anyway... but he said he'd consider it. Ok.

He had a lot to lose if he fought ggg at the end of his career you couldn't blame him... it's just listening to the massive international superstar hypocrisy. Shame, Froch ggg would have been a fascinating fight.

If what he says is true, it's now a second case of golovkin's team calling out super-middles but angling for a catchweight.

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Post by Guest82 on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 1:29 pm

milkyboy wrote:.... now golovkin was never a serious option, Chavez was... Chavez being the sh*t one for big money. I agree with Carl though, it's just like Bruce lee dying in order  to avoid mike Tyson. And this the man who bitched at  calzaghe all those years ago. Golovkin was never an option but they did discuss weight. Carl was retired anyway... but he said he'd consider it. Ok.

He had a lot to lose if he fought ggg at the end of his career you couldn't blame him... it's just listening to the massive international superstar hypocrisy. Shame, Froch ggg would have been a fascinating fight.

If what he says is true, it's now a second case of golovkin's team calling out super-middles but angling for a catchweight.

I think Groves was to Froch what Froch was to Calzaghe. He gave the young British up and coming fighter a shot, when he was an established champion coming towards the end of his career.

There is a lot to dislike about Froch, but his balls to fight anyone can't be questioned.

Now, he is just trying to keep in the limelight.

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Post by Guest82 on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 1:33 pm

Will:
Groves - win the WBA belt
Frampton - beat LSC in the rematch
Ward - wins a clear UD in the Kovalev rematch
Mayweather - beats Conor Mcgregor in a massive money mismatch.
Haye - win an alphabet belt from the winner of Parker/Ruiz.

Won't:
Joshua - loses to Wlad
Degale - loses to Jack
Canelo - won't fight GGG
Fury - no comeback.
Bellew - a career shortening beating from Haye

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Post by lfc91 on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 1:54 pm

Guest82 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:.... now golovkin was never a serious option, Chavez was... Chavez being the sh*t one for big money. I agree with Carl though, it's just like Bruce lee dying in order  to avoid mike Tyson. And this the man who bitched at  calzaghe all those years ago. Golovkin was never an option but they did discuss weight. Carl was retired anyway... but he said he'd consider it. Ok.

He had a lot to lose if he fought ggg at the end of his career you couldn't blame him... it's just listening to the massive international superstar hypocrisy. Shame, Froch ggg would have been a fascinating fight.

If what he says is true, it's now a second case of golovkin's team calling out super-middles but angling for a catchweight.

I think Groves was to Froch what Froch was to Calzaghe.  He gave the young British up and coming fighter a shot, when he was an established champion coming towards the end of his career.  

There is a lot to dislike about Froch, but his balls to fight anyone can't be questioned.  

Now, he is just trying to keep in the limelight.

Then Calzaghe did Froch a BIG favour not handing him a punishing loss. Although probably banking Groves some serious money over the 2 fights, he hasn't looked the same since. The back to back losses and the nature of them may have had career altering impact on Groves.

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Post by Guest82 on Wed 07 Dec 2016, 1:59 pm

lfc91 wrote:
Guest82 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:.... now golovkin was never a serious option, Chavez was... Chavez being the sh*t one for big money. I agree with Carl though, it's just like Bruce lee dying in order  to avoid mike Tyson. And this the man who bitched at  calzaghe all those years ago. Golovkin was never an option but they did discuss weight. Carl was retired anyway... but he said he'd consider it. Ok.

He had a lot to lose if he fought ggg at the end of his career you couldn't blame him... it's just listening to the massive international superstar hypocrisy. Shame, Froch ggg would have been a fascinating fight.

If what he says is true, it's now a second case of golovkin's team calling out super-middles but angling for a catchweight.

I think Groves was to Froch what Froch was to Calzaghe.  He gave the young British up and coming fighter a shot, when he was an established champion coming towards the end of his career.  

There is a lot to dislike about Froch, but his balls to fight anyone can't be questioned.  

Now, he is just trying to keep in the limelight.

Then Calzaghe did Froch a BIG favour not handing him a punishing loss. Although probably banking Groves some serious money over the 2 fights, he hasn't looked the same since. The back to back losses and the nature of them may have had career altering impact on Groves.

Agree with that really. But Froch always complained that Calzaghe took off in search of the big money names - Jones Jnr & Hopkins - instead of fighting his domestic mandatory.

Obviously Groves II became a massive money fight for Froch, but he didn't know that when he took the first fight.

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