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Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Teddy Atlas, veteran trainer of the likes of a pre-stardom Mike Tyson and a post-Witness Protection Program Sammy “the Bull” Gravano, dubbed the sport he’s dedicated his life to as “corrupt” and a “sham” after an inexplicable decision on a special-edition Thursday Night Fights on ESPN.
The spirited response, even by Teddy Atlas standards, came in reaction to the take of the judges in the Oscar Escandon-Tyson Cave super-bantamweight bout. The Canadian appeared to outclass a game but flatfooted Colombian tough guy in Escandon, who stalked Cave around the ring only to get perpetually popped for his efforts.
Atlas scored the fight, a title eliminator presenting a big payday for the winner, ten rounds to two for the quick and flashy Canadian. The ESPN audience scored a Cave shutout. Breitbart Sports scored it nine rounds to three. So did one of the judges—for Escandon. Raul Caiz Jr.'s 117-111 scorecard joins Eugenia Williams's 115-113 nod to Evander Holyfield in his draw with Lennox Lewis as among the more puzzling in recent boxing history. The two remaining judges split, awarding each fighter a 115-113 win to push Escandon to 24-1 and hand Cave his third defeat in 27 fights.
The famous trainer, who once put a gun to a teenage Mike Tyson’s head and dramatically stole the stool from Michael Moorer as a successful motivational ploy midway through his title fight with Evander Holyfield, exploded, in time-bomb fashion, in an emotional outburst beyond the likes of which he has gained a reputation for.
The ESPN analyst’s voice steadily rising into a frenzy, Atlas called the sport he has been involved in for more than four decades “corrupt.” He loudly denounced the decision as “garbage” and a “trash.” He pleaded with politicians to intervene to save the sport from itself and confessed that he would quickly do something else with his life if he knew anything besides boxing. He spoke of the insult from judges who have never laced up gloves to fighters who give all to have so much taken by crookedness. More expressive than his words were their tone and the speaker’s body language, which appeared at once blisteringly angry and on the verge of an emotional breakdown.
Even after several commercial breaks, Atlas remained fixated on the injustice. “They knew the truth of the punches,” the ringside commentator said of Escandon’s corner desperately imploring him to take his opponent out, “not the lie of human beings—the lie of judges.”
The evening presented noteworthy action in the boxing ring atop the action in the broadcast booth. Antonio Tarver, who wants to fight the heavyweight champion of the world, got to fight his trainer instead on Thursday night. Rocky VI’s “Mason Dixon” scored a seventh-round TKO over a fourteen-years-his-junior Jonathon Banks. Tarver appeared ahead on the scorecards as much from Banks’s listlessness as his own activity. Though devoid of much footwork, the plodding Tarver exhibited veteran craftiness and the power that once knocked Roy Jones into next week. Seconds after knocking Wladimir Klitschko’s cornerman down, Tarver coaxed referee intervention by pinning his opponent against the ropes on the verge of dropping him to the mat again.
The fast-talking, 46-years-young Tarver made his case to ESPN for a title fight. “Bottom line, man: I’m a star,” he maintained. “I’m a knockout artist.”
Austin Trout improved to 28-2 after Louis Grejada’s corner refused to allow him to answer the eighth round’s bell. The former junior-middleweight titlist had scored an early knockdown and punished Grejada with body punches that slowed him down considerably. The New Mexican improved to 28-2.
But the cloud from the undercard hung over the two featured fights of the ESPN special broadcast. A dejected yet passionate Teddy Atlas concluded: “I’m sick of it.”
Tyson Cave is too.
The spirited response, even by Teddy Atlas standards, came in reaction to the take of the judges in the Oscar Escandon-Tyson Cave super-bantamweight bout. The Canadian appeared to outclass a game but flatfooted Colombian tough guy in Escandon, who stalked Cave around the ring only to get perpetually popped for his efforts.
Atlas scored the fight, a title eliminator presenting a big payday for the winner, ten rounds to two for the quick and flashy Canadian. The ESPN audience scored a Cave shutout. Breitbart Sports scored it nine rounds to three. So did one of the judges—for Escandon. Raul Caiz Jr.'s 117-111 scorecard joins Eugenia Williams's 115-113 nod to Evander Holyfield in his draw with Lennox Lewis as among the more puzzling in recent boxing history. The two remaining judges split, awarding each fighter a 115-113 win to push Escandon to 24-1 and hand Cave his third defeat in 27 fights.
The famous trainer, who once put a gun to a teenage Mike Tyson’s head and dramatically stole the stool from Michael Moorer as a successful motivational ploy midway through his title fight with Evander Holyfield, exploded, in time-bomb fashion, in an emotional outburst beyond the likes of which he has gained a reputation for.
The ESPN analyst’s voice steadily rising into a frenzy, Atlas called the sport he has been involved in for more than four decades “corrupt.” He loudly denounced the decision as “garbage” and a “trash.” He pleaded with politicians to intervene to save the sport from itself and confessed that he would quickly do something else with his life if he knew anything besides boxing. He spoke of the insult from judges who have never laced up gloves to fighters who give all to have so much taken by crookedness. More expressive than his words were their tone and the speaker’s body language, which appeared at once blisteringly angry and on the verge of an emotional breakdown.
Even after several commercial breaks, Atlas remained fixated on the injustice. “They knew the truth of the punches,” the ringside commentator said of Escandon’s corner desperately imploring him to take his opponent out, “not the lie of human beings—the lie of judges.”
The evening presented noteworthy action in the boxing ring atop the action in the broadcast booth. Antonio Tarver, who wants to fight the heavyweight champion of the world, got to fight his trainer instead on Thursday night. Rocky VI’s “Mason Dixon” scored a seventh-round TKO over a fourteen-years-his-junior Jonathon Banks. Tarver appeared ahead on the scorecards as much from Banks’s listlessness as his own activity. Though devoid of much footwork, the plodding Tarver exhibited veteran craftiness and the power that once knocked Roy Jones into next week. Seconds after knocking Wladimir Klitschko’s cornerman down, Tarver coaxed referee intervention by pinning his opponent against the ropes on the verge of dropping him to the mat again.
The fast-talking, 46-years-young Tarver made his case to ESPN for a title fight. “Bottom line, man: I’m a star,” he maintained. “I’m a knockout artist.”
Austin Trout improved to 28-2 after Louis Grejada’s corner refused to allow him to answer the eighth round’s bell. The former junior-middleweight titlist had scored an early knockdown and punished Grejada with body punches that slowed him down considerably. The New Mexican improved to 28-2.
But the cloud from the undercard hung over the two featured fights of the ESPN special broadcast. A dejected yet passionate Teddy Atlas concluded: “I’m sick of it.”
Tyson Cave is too.
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Yes bad decisions are so much the norm that we just shrug our shoulders and it's wrong...These guys have families and with every unjust defeat earning capacity goes down...
We are pretty much at the point where anything goes..
I mean Warren got away scot free with the Luxembourg thing...
Promoters now can do what they want..No other sport needs regulation as bad as this one.
We are pretty much at the point where anything goes..
I mean Warren got away scot free with the Luxembourg thing...
Promoters now can do what they want..No other sport needs regulation as bad as this one.
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Will try and get round to watching this one when I get a chance, as I have seen some early reaction to it today which says that Atlas was spot on and that the decision was an absolute disgrace.
Say what you like about Atlas, but his passion for the sport is something it needs and if more high-profile figures or commentators / pundits made a similar song and dance about this kind of stuff, rather than just sit there grinning about it and equivocating, then it'd be more likely that something would actually get done about it all.
Say what you like about Atlas, but his passion for the sport is something it needs and if more high-profile figures or commentators / pundits made a similar song and dance about this kind of stuff, rather than just sit there grinning about it and equivocating, then it'd be more likely that something would actually get done about it all.
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Terrible descision
I watched Tyson Cave v Oscer Escandon on BT sport last night and i gave Cave 10 rounds and that was being generous to Escandon and yet Cave lost by SD one judge gave it 117-111 to Escandon and 115-113 its a travesty did anyone else see it last night
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Sorry didnt see a topic has already been done on this my bad
wheelchair1991- Posts : 2129
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
It was a travesty being ultra generous i gave Escandon2 rounds but i think in reality it was a shutout, when i see things like that you cannot help but feel its fixed
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
As Trussy says, it's become the norm in boxing now. While we always have a little moan about it nothing changes and until a lot more people (especially the boxers themselves) start speaking up about it then it will continue to happen.
It doesn't help when we as fans accept it as 'part of the sport' either.
It doesn't help when we as fans accept it as 'part of the sport' either.
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Don't let it happen again..
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Sadly don't have BT Sport, annoying as want to watch Slammin' Sam's full debut for Bath tonight.
Have read various reports that it was a shocker of a decision. Would like to know what the credentials are for being a boxing judge, as they've obviously been picking some from special school.
Have read various reports that it was a shocker of a decision. Would like to know what the credentials are for being a boxing judge, as they've obviously been picking some from special school.
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
Not sure what a bad decision is these days....
If you lose by two/three rounds no one seems to mind you getting it...
Depends on the fighter I suppose...........Manny ripped off JMM more than once and yet when Bradley ripped him off all hell broke lose..
If you lose by two/three rounds no one seems to mind you getting it...
Depends on the fighter I suppose...........Manny ripped off JMM more than once and yet when Bradley ripped him off all hell broke lose..
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
"It's part of the sport, unfortunately."
"Boxing is a business."
"I've seen worse decisions."
"You have to really take the title from the champion."
"You have to dominate if you're against the home-town fighter."
"We get to see a rematch because of this."
"He hasn't got a crowd-pleasing style."
"You take a chance if you're not the aggressor."
"If they'd given him the decision it would have ruined the proposed fight between X and Y, so I don't mind the judges' call."
Have I missed any other favourite lines used when trying to gloss over a terrible verdict?
"Boxing is a business."
"I've seen worse decisions."
"You have to really take the title from the champion."
"You have to dominate if you're against the home-town fighter."
"We get to see a rematch because of this."
"He hasn't got a crowd-pleasing style."
"You take a chance if you're not the aggressor."
"If they'd given him the decision it would have ruined the proposed fight between X and Y, so I don't mind the judges' call."
Have I missed any other favourite lines used when trying to gloss over a terrible verdict?
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Re: Teddy Atlas unloads on boxing.
How about:
"Well I previously liked a status on FB about Groves getting stopped in the ninth, so what's a guy to do?"
"Well I previously liked a status on FB about Groves getting stopped in the ninth, so what's a guy to do?"
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