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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 13 Feb 2015, 7:56 pm

Greetings Hoes of the boxing world

Can you please list your top 20 fighters for the following decades. Failing that, we need numbers 11-20 of your top 20. Just going to play around with a few ideas.

The decades in question are, 70's, 80's,90's and 00's.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:01 pm

80s

1. Spinks
2. Leonard
3. Chavez
4. Sanchez
5. Duran
6. Hagler
7. Hearns
8. Pryor
9. Curry
10.Galaxy...

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:19 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:80s

1. Spinks
2. Leonard
3. Chavez
4. Sanchez
5. Duran
6. Hagler
7. Hearns
8. Pryor
9. Curry
10.Galaxy...

I'd go:

80s

1. Leonard
2. Hagler
3. Hearns
4. Tyson
5. Spinks
6. Chavez
7. Holmes
8. Pryor
9. Duran
10. Sanchez

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:20 pm

hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:80s

1. Spinks
2. Leonard
3. Chavez
4. Sanchez
5. Duran
6. Hagler
7. Hearns
8. Pryor
9. Curry
10.Galaxy...

I'd go:

80s

1. Leonard
2. Hagler
3. Hearns
4. Tyson
5. Spinks
6. Chavez
7. Holmes
8. Pryor
9. Duran
10. Sanchez

I thought about Holmes but Norton and Shavers 1 were 78/79...........and I thought Witherspoon beat him.....

He's certainly close..

But the rest of your list isn't something I'd disagree too much with........


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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm

90s would be Jones/Whitaker
00s would be Pacquiao

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:24 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:80s

1. Spinks
2. Leonard
3. Chavez
4. Sanchez
5. Duran
6. Hagler
7. Hearns
8. Pryor
9. Curry
10.Galaxy...

I'd go:

80s

1. Leonard
2. Hagler
3. Hearns
4. Tyson
5. Spinks
6. Chavez
7. Holmes
8. Pryor
9. Duran
10. Sanchez

I thought about Holmes but Norton and Shavers 1 were 78/79...........and I thought Witherspoon beat him.....

He's certainly close..

But the rest of your list isn't something I'd disagree too much with........


Maybe Chavez should be higher?

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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:26 pm

This is surreal

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:27 pm

He went 84 to 90 unbeaten................Rosario was a wonderful win...........

I picked Edwin..........

Think Sal maybe higher on your list...............Gomez, Nelson....Two greats....and  a top fighter in Lopez twice.........

May be a bit better than Pryor...

But it's splitting hairs..


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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:29 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He went 84 to 90 unbeaten................Rosario was a wonderful win...........

I picked Edwin..........

Think Sal maybe higher on your list...............Gomez, Nelson....Two greats....and  a top fighter in Lopez twice.........

May be a bit better than Pryor...

But it's splitting hairs..

The 80s were something else. Great fighters/great fights.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:30 pm

In no particular order for the 80's possibly

Galaxy
Curry
Pintor
Gomez
Nelson
Pedroza
Tyson
McCallum
Jackson
Saad Muhammad

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:32 pm

ShahenshahG wrote:This is surreal

We've totally missed your point haven't we?.....!!

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:32 pm

Arguello, Galaxy and Pryor are all on the cusp but think the former did just enough to sneak top ten for the 80's.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:36 pm

11. Pedroza
12. Nelson
13. Whitaker
14. Holyfield
15. Galaxy
16. McCallum
17. Chandler
18. Fenech
19. Nunn
20. Pintor

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:36 pm

hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:He went 84 to 90 unbeaten................Rosario was a wonderful win...........

I picked Edwin..........

Think Sal maybe higher on your list...............Gomez, Nelson....Two greats....and  a top fighter in Lopez twice.........

May be a bit better than Pryor...

But it's splitting hairs..

The 80s were something else. Great fighters/great fights.

Mancini, Rosario, Camacho, Bramble, Lopez, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Mccallum,Cchavez, Chandler, Pintor, Curry, Spinks, Qawi, Holy, Whittaker, Pazienza, Haugen, Paul, Arroyo, Arguello, Pryor, Sanchez, Pedroza, Mcguigan, Tyson, Taylor, Honey, Starling, brown, Breland, Lora, Gomez, Cuevas.....

I was spoilt growing up.......................Hard act to follow..

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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:40 pm

Yes Haz. Haha. I need the best of the rest list because I want to gauge the strengths in depth in each of the four decades and create enough threads to cover a broad set of skills, styles and knowledge.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:43 pm

Always been split on the 80's Truss, consider it the decade when America finally started to reclaim dominance below light heavyweight. The 70's wasn't bad but seeing Monzon, Napoles, Duran, Cervantes, Locche, Arguello and the rest of the world dominating meant that Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and co stopping the rot was massive.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:46 pm

hazharrison wrote:11. Pedroza
12. Nelson
13. Whitaker
14. Holyfield
15. Galaxy
16. McCallum
17. Chandler
18. Fenech
19. Nunn
20. Pintor

Couldn't have Pedroza above Nelson...........Nelson wiped out Gomez in 84..............Better win by itself than Pedroza ever achieved......Plus a 130 title chucked in !!

I'd have Nunn higher also...............Tate, Kalambay were cracking wins.........Chuck in his other five defences to the pot..

Suppose it's about your thoughts on longevity v quality.....

Splitting heirs really...........

Rosario top 20 though for me perhaps.............Won the title three times.................Bramble, Davis jr, Ramirez..and a contentious Camacho battle...

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:48 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Always been split on the 80's Truss, consider it the decade when America finally started to reclaim dominance below light heavyweight. The 70's wasn't bad but seeing Monzon, Napoles, Duran, Cervantes, Locche, Arguello and the rest of the world dominating meant that Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and co stopping the rot was massive.

Wonderful era too..........

Too young to really enjoy it............

HBO, ABC NBC, CBS, ESPN.................Young fan's dream the 80s...

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 8:55 pm

Was watching Hearns - Shuler the other night...........Funny thing was by the time Steele counted to nine the Doctor was standing next to him....

What kind of p**ck couldn't see Shuler was out cold..........

Guy was a prize clown...........

Back on topic...

998. Alfredo layne
999. Jeff Harding
1000. Darrin van horn........ Laugh

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Post by ShahenshahG Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:01 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Was watching Hearns - Shuler the other night...........Funny thing was by the time Steele counted to nine the Doctor was standing next to him....

What kind of p**ck couldn't see Shuler was out cold..........

Guy was a prize clown...........

Back on topic...

998. Alfredo layne
999. Jeff Harding
1000. Darrin van horn........ Laugh

Laugh Thanks mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAsV5-Hv-7U heres ya reward

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:03 pm

I remember Barkley terrorising Van Horn. And then Benn was scheduled to face DVH after winning the WBC belt - he'd have killed him!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:10 pm

hazharrison wrote:I remember Barkley terrorising Van Horn. And then Benn was scheduled to face DVH after winning the WBC belt - he'd have killed him!

He was scared crap-less.........

Then again the way Barkley used to stare..........I'd have given him my wallet before he even asked for it !! Laugh

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:15 pm

90s

1. Jones
2. Whitaker
3. Holyfield
4. Lopez
5. Trinidad
6. Oscar
7. Barrera
8. Morales
9. Chavez
10. Toney
11. Hopkins
12. Galaxy
13. Tszyu
14. Lewis
15. Tapia
16. Carbajal
17. Nelson
18. Mark Johnson
19. Bowe
20. Quartey

Was clutching at straws with the last two.

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Post by hazharrison Fri 13 Feb 2015, 9:16 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I remember Barkley terrorising Van Horn. And then Benn was scheduled to face DVH after winning the WBC belt - he'd have killed him!

He was scared crap-less.........

Then again the way Barkley used to stare..........I'd have given him my wallet before he even asked for it !! Laugh

After Benn ambushed him - knocking him down three times - Barkley asked him to go outside at the post fight presser. Nails.

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Post by Strongback Fri 13 Feb 2015, 10:09 pm

The 2000's

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Hopkins
4. Marquez
5. Mosley
6. Barrera
7. Calzaghe
8. Wright
9. Cotto
10. Morales
11. Calderon
12. Vazquez
13. R.Marquez
14. Wlad
15. Darchinyan
16. Hatton
17. Tszyu
18. Donaire
19. Jones Jr
20. Pavlik

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Post by milkyboy Fri 13 Feb 2015, 11:20 pm

hazharrison wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:I remember Barkley terrorising Van Horn. And then Benn was scheduled to face DVH after winning the WBC belt - he'd have killed him!

He was scared crap-less.........

Then again the way Barkley used to stare..........I'd have given him my wallet before he even asked for it !! Laugh

After Benn ambushed him - knocking him down three times - Barkley asked him to go outside at the post fight presser. Nails.

Who'd your money be on in the carpark?  I think benn wasn't averse to a bit of extra curricular himself.

For anyone who hasn't seen it... Benn barkley was 3 minutes of fun... From the very first punch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yoq_keFIpSI

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:01 am

1) Ray Leonard 2) Duran 3) Mayweather 4) Whitaker 5) Jones Jr 6) Chavez 7) Pacquiao 8) Arguello 9) Michael Spinks 10) Monzon 11) Hopkins 12) Hagler 13) Sanchez 14) Nelson 15) Hearns 16) Napoles 17) De la Hoya 18) Foster 19) McCallum 20) Lopez

Tough, tough, tough. Loads of placings I could switch over or deliberate on and I'd come up with a different order tomorrow, no doubt. Just missing out are the likes of Holyfield, Trinidad, Calderon, Toney, Holmes, Marquez etc. Hopefully I haven't forgotten an obvious name.
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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:06 am

Hang on, just thought - is that what you were after, Shah? A top twenty across the four decades? Or a top twenty for each of them?
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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:20 am

Tyson is a cert for both the 80's and 90's era.

How so called boxing fans have him outside the top 2 in each is beyond me.

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:27 am

Unfortunately Tyson is behind Larry Big Pants in my Heavyweight estimations, OneTwo. A shade behind Lewis as well, possibly. That's not to mention Foreman. As it's arguable whether or not he even gets on the medal podium at Heavyweight in the past forty-five years I cannae accept that he's a nailed on top two across all weights.

Lads, I know that as I've stirred up OneTwo's ire and made him mad this could well be my last post on here. If I should mysteriously disappear, it's been a pleasure.
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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:35 am

Each of em Chris. Best of rest ot gauge strengths in depth. Also acts like qualifiers in that it sorts the wheat from the chaff in terms of boxing knowledge. ..and like the host nation I am exempt from such scrutiny.

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:37 am

Day-umn. Better get thinking again then.
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Post by milkyboy Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:38 am

Breaking news. "Nottingham boy found dead. Police appeal for witnesses to the 'spinning back fist murder'. UFO spotted in the area.

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Post by Guest Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:38 am

88Chris05 wrote:Unfortunately Tyson is behind Larry Big Pants in my Heavyweight estimations, OneTwo. A shade behind Lewis as well, possibly. That's not to mention Foreman. As it's arguable whether or not he even gets on the medal podium at Heavyweight in the past forty-five years I cannae accept that he's a nailed on top two across all weights.

Lads, I know that as I've stirred up OneTwo's ire and made him mad this could well be my last post on here. If I should mysteriously disappear, it's been a pleasure.
Wouldn't worry about it, ONETWO's mouth is as big as Lar's pants but that's the sum total of this God botherer's gansta-dom

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:51 am

milkyboy wrote:Breaking news. "Nottingham boy found dead. Police appeal for witnesses to the 'spinning back fist murder'. UFO spotted in the area.

I always liked to soften my opponent up with a check-hook before landing the spinning back fist..

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Post by Guest Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:54 am

milkyboy wrote:Breaking news. "Nottingham boy found dead. Police appeal for witnesses to the 'spinning back fist murder'. UFO spotted in the area.
Police will spend months initially searching for Taz the Tasmanian Devil

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Post by milkyboy Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:54 am

What's a check hook? Hopefully strongy will drop by and explain it to me.

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Post by Guest Wed 18 Feb 2015, 10:56 am

milkyboy wrote:What's a check hook? Hopefully strongy will drop dead explaining it to me.

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Post by ShahenshahG Wed 18 Feb 2015, 11:03 am

DAVE667 wrote:
milkyboy wrote:What's a check hook? Hopefully strongy will drop dead explaining it to me.

laughing

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Post by milkyboy Wed 18 Feb 2015, 11:10 am

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milkyboy wrote:Breaking news. "Nottingham boy found dead. Police appeal for witnesses to the 'spinning back fist murder'. UFO spotted in the area.
Police will spend months initially searching for Taz the Tasmanian Devil

They'll never get taz. If they couldn't find him after the JFK assassination, they're not going to get him for this. Besides, word is he teamed up with hong king phooey to hijack a Malaysian airliner.... currently being modified for time travel in an underwater volcano in the Indian Ocean

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Post by 88Chris05 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 1:14 pm

Alright fellas, this one has been cleared up now. Cut the crap out for us, please, as we'd like this thread to be able to stay. A few of you are just taking the mick now, so for everyone's sake just keep it as on-topic as you can.
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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 1:32 pm

Let me have a go at the 70s, my equivalent of Truss's misty-eyed affection for the 80s. I've tried to keep it to those whose deeds really shone in that decade, so no place for Ray Leonard for example, although I accept that he won his first crown at the very end of the 70s.

1) Monzon 2) Duran 3) Ali 4) Napoles 5) Foster 6) Arguello 7) Zarate 8) Canto 9) Foreman 10) Olivares 11) Frazier 12) Wilfredo Gomez 13) Ohba 14) Galindez 15) Jofre 16) Danny Lopez 17) Cervantes 18) De Jesus 19) Benitez 20) Buchanan

Slightly controversial number 20, perhaps, but you'll excuse an ageing fan his partiality, I'm sure!

Probably should have included Holmes, but he splits two decades more exactly than most, so it's tough on him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 1:41 pm

We both share a high regard for Galindez............

If I recall there were a few posters on here who had Conteh higher....

Can't fault your list..........Though think that Foreman, Frazier twice, Norton twice, Quarry, Shavers, Lyle and Young would be much better victories than Monzon and Duran acquired in the 70s.........

Splitting hairs......

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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 1:56 pm

80s is probably the most difficult.

1) Leonard 2) Spinks 3) Chavez 4) Hagler 5) Hearns 6) Sanchez 7) Holmes 8) Galaxy 9) Tyson 10) Nelson 11) Duran 12) McCallum 13) Pryor 14) Arguello 15) Whitaker 16) Fenech 17) Pedroza 18) Curry 19) Holyfield 20) Wilfredo Gomez

The very good flyweights, Laciar and Chitalada, miss out narrowly, as do Rosario, Saad (another whose briefish spell of greatness straddles two decades), Qawi and Nunn (brilliant fighter; if he hadn't split the 80s and 90s, he would certainly be here).

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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:01 pm

Think you're right about Ali's victories, Truss. To set beside them, though, we have losses to Norton and Spinks, which have to be taken into account, as well as the one against Frazier, for which he drops no house points at all.

Duran and Monzon basically lorded it over their divisions for about 8 years of the decade - Monzon didn't lose at all, seeing off Benvenuti, Griffith and Valdez twice each, as well as Briscoe and Napoles, among others, and never tasted defeat. Duran'e CV is similarly accomplished, but does contain the single black mark against De Jesus, which is all that separates the two for these purposes. Basically the two most accomplished fighters of the decade, for me, with Ali clear third best.


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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:05 pm

captain carrantuohil wrote:80s is probably the most difficult.

1) Leonard 2) Spinks 3) Chavez 4) Hagler 5) Hearns 6) Sanchez 7) Holmes 8) Galaxy 9) Tyson 10) Nelson 11) Duran 12) McCallum 13) Pryor 14) Arguello 15) Whitaker 16) Fenech 17) Pedroza 18) Curry 19) Holyfield 20) Wilfredo Gomez

The very good flyweights, Laciar and Chitalada, miss out narrowly, as do Rosario, Saad (another whose briefish spell of greatness straddles two decades), Qawi and Nunn (brilliant fighter; if he hadn't split the 80s and 90s, he would certainly be here).

Curry behind Pedroza..............Longevity has doubled in value lately........

Quality list..........Wouldn't have Holy on there........

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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:09 pm

As far as Galindez is concerned, I'm guilty of a certain inconsistency here. If I'm asked to rank Galindez and Conteh as light-heavyweights, I have a habit of taking into account who I think was the better fighter, of which some part is given over to assessing how I think a fight between the two of them might have panned out. In that regard, I give Conteh the edge and tend to sit on the fence by giving them a more or less equal ranking.

However, if we're talking about achievements, or CV, within a time frame, 10 defences trumps three and Conteh's lapses against Parlov and Burnett finally tip the scales against him, seeing as Galindez's star burned for longer. Conteh wouldn't be a million miles off the top 20, certainly as far as ability is concerned. As I say, not that consistent really, but it contains a certain pretzel logic with which I'm comfortable!

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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:14 pm

Very close between Curry and Pedroza in terms of achievements. Curry the better reign, Pedroza the longer one. However, the 80s also saw the Don beaten by Rene Jacquot, which does have to weigh in the balance more than somewhat. Pedroza's losses to nobodies only started after he'd faded as a championship force; I have to give him the nod over a man who had it all, but slid so alarmingly when he still should have been at his peak.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:27 pm

captain carrantuohil wrote:Very close between Curry and Pedroza in terms of achievements. Curry the better reign, Pedroza the longer one. However, the 80s also saw the Don beaten by Rene Jacquot, which does have to weigh in the balance more than somewhat. Pedroza's losses to nobodies only started after he'd faded as a championship force; I have to give him the nod over a man who had it all, but slid so alarmingly when he still should have been at his peak.

Curry faded badly for sure.............But he was undisputed champ and a two weight champ.........I imagine many feathers could have beaten the guys Pedroza beat.....Best fighter he fought took his title..........Lockridge was decent but he lost two contentious decisions..............Taylor got a draw in a stinker...and Olivares was an old bantam......Never rated Laporte..

Pedroza wasn't even the best at that weight............

Not sure many welters could have beaten a young Starling and Mccrory back then...........

Overrated paper champion for me............but what do I know...

We all see different things..............and I am biased..


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Post by captain carrantuohil Wed 18 Feb 2015, 2:34 pm

You're well entitled to that bias. As I say, it's close and I'm not going to argue too fiercely - might try this for the 1940s and see how I go. Off the top of my head, I'd start with Robinson, Charles, Pep, which is a scarily impressive top 3.

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