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Post by madmaccas Thu 02 Apr 2015, 1:14 pm

First topic message reminder :

With a few players announcing their departures, and few named to replace them, I thought it'd be useful to have an in-out list.

Also a good place to post any rumours or rumours of rumours.

Let me know if I'm missing anyone?!


Edinburgh


In:

Nasi Manu - Highlanders - Flanker     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DsgMvrYr6I
Will Helu - Coventry Wasps - Wing    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luMTcwgcr5U
Nathan Fowles - Sale - SH              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWzXXhzeQE
Michael Allen - Ulster - Wing/Centre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHnLKIz0Ecw
Otulea Katoa - Southland - Wing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crq6ZJKaeg4

Duncan Hodge - SRU - Backs Coach

Out:

Tim Visser - Harlequins - Wing
Ollie Atkins - Exeter Chiefs - Lock
Michael Tait - the bar - Centre
Tom Heathcote - Worcester Warriors - FH
Grayson Hart - Glasgow Warriors - SH
Wicus Blaauw - ? - Prop
Brett Thompson - ? -
Nikki Walker - Hawick - Wing


Contract ending:

Hookers: Hilterbrand, Turner
Props: Dickinson, Nel
BR: Leonardi, Du Preez

FH: Bezuidenhout
Centre: Dominguez, Atiga
Wings: Farndale


Glasgow Warriors


In:

Grayson Hart - Edinburgh - SH                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ReJ_oz1Rk
Mike Blair - Newcastle Falcons - SH             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sWN-M8lQ2o
Keiran Low - London Irish - Lock/Flanker       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszjBclzxds
Simone Favaro - Treviso - Flanker                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAcEaWGY8yk
Sam Johnson - Queensland Reds - Centre      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J_O4sLMfdc
Greg Peterson - Leicester Tigers - Lock
Taqele Naiyaravoro - NSW Waratahs - Wing  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgSC643wJRI
Javan Sebastian - Scarlets Academy - Prop  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9N4q0zcwTo
Jason Hill - Heriot’s - No.8                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_UQoN8DM8
Hugh Blake - Edinburgh? - Flanker             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho
Sila Puafisi - Gloucester - Prop                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLR_9CXkUs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqAneyg0Fqw


Dan McFarland - Connacht - Forwards Coach

Out:

Niko Matawalu - Bath - SH
Sean Maitland - London Irish - Wing
John Welsh - Newcastle Falcons - Prop
Dougie Hall - the bar - Hooker
Al Kellock - the bar - Lock
DTH - Scarlets - Wing
Tom Ryder - Northampton - Lock
James Downey - Wasps - Centre
Murray McConnell - Nottingham - Centre
Tommy Spinks - Jersey - Flanker

Shade Munroe - ? - Forwards Coach

Contract ending:

Props: Murray, G.Hunter

SH: Price
FH: Hunter, Lyle
Wings: Hughes
Full Backs: Braid


London Scottish


In:

Drew Locke - Jersey - Centre                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KcGBGC7FKI
Neale Patrick - Plymouth - Lock              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsi07ANTE04
Russell Weir - Scotland 7's - SH              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agpcYh30H04
David Young - Newport Dragons - Prop    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxIq4nwimCM
Freddie Clarke - Bath - Flanker
Jason Harries - Wales 7's - Centre
Jimmy Litchfield - London Welsh - Prop    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMCPZqsXqHo
James Chisholm - Harlequins - No.8         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl9v5JzpUn0  (scorer of both tries)
Craig Jackson - Hartbury - Full Back         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jXMZE5Xl-k
Rory Bartle - Gloucester - Lock                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJF0rIYhms
Tyrone Moran - Leinster - Hooker             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4Bq0Dkdfg
Will Carrick-Smith - Exeter - Lock
Joe Marchant - Harlequins - Centre          https://vine.co/v/O2FBmaU6dD2
Kieran Treadwell - Harlequins - Lock        
James Gibbons - Gloucester - Prop
Season long loan from Bath Rugby
Beno Obano - Bath - Prop                       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqWvAmmYfw  
Tom Woolstencroft - Bath - Hooker          https://vine.co/v/MTDzbLxOxTM

Peter Richards - LS - Promoted to Head Coach
Tim Payne - London Irish - Forwards Coach


Out:

Adam Preocanin - Ealing Trailfinders - Lock
Gregor Gillanders - Blackheath - Flanker
James Phillips - Bristol - No.8
Jamie Stevenson - Wasps - Scrum Half
Kieran Moffat- returned to New Zealand - Centre
Lovejoy Chawatama - Rosslyn Park - Prop
Mark Lilley - Rosslyn Park - Prop
Matt Hawke - Rosslyn Park - Centre
Mike Doneghan - AS Macon - Wing
Neil Best - Retired - Flanker
PJ Gidlow - Stade Rouennais - Centre
Ross Doneghan - Retired - Flanker
Stewart Maguire - East Grinstead - Prop
Tai Tuisamoa - returned to USA - Flanker

Mike Friday - USA 7's - Head Coach


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Post by RDW Fri 03 Apr 2015, 12:16 pm

Sorry FES - I thought it might have been you but didn't want to give an undue citation!

Bezzy is a perfectly solid 10/15 but has been injured a lot and hasn't actually played at all for Edinburgh this season.

I suspect he will be moved on.

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Fri 03 Apr 2015, 1:51 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:That said he was up against Piers Francis at the time

You had to go and mention Piers Henry James Edward Luke (add more first names at your own leisure) Francis didn't you, and I'd been trying to hard to forget all about him!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 03 Apr 2015, 1:55 pm

TheMildlyFranticLlama wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:That said he was up against Piers Francis at the time

You had to go and mention Piers Henry Picklesworth James Edward Luke (add more first names at your own leisure) Francis didn't you, and I'd been trying to hard to forget all about him!

There you go.

I always loved the rumour that it was Wayne Smith, the great All Blacks coach, who recommended Piers Francis to the SRU. He was either joking or hammered.

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Post by madmaccas Mon 06 Apr 2015, 11:38 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Worth posting this again - Edinburgh players still to have their contractrs renewed (I think):

Hookers: McInally, Hilterbrand, Turner
Props: Dickinson, Nel, Berghan, Sutherland
Locks: A.Toolis
Back Row: Leonardi, Du Preez

Fly Half: Bezuidenhout
Centre: Dominguez, Scott, Atiga
Wings: Farndale

Cheers RDW, added those and the ones that I think are due to run out at the Warriors.

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Post by madmaccas Mon 06 Apr 2015, 4:20 pm

Simon Berghan has signed on at Edinburgh for another year.

http://www.edinburghrugby.org/news/15/04/06/berghan-commits-club

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Mon 06 Apr 2015, 8:28 pm

They must think highly of him as he has been Donald Ducked for quite a while. That said, if I had to prioritise the 4 props who will be out of contract, he would have been bottom of the list. That said, I don't see many international players moving as the "new" club won't get much game time from them until November. However, there may be a few one year contracts signed to get passed this hiatus?

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Post by madmaccas Tue 07 Apr 2015, 10:34 am

InjuredYetAgain wrote:They must think highly of him as he has been Donald Ducked for quite a while. That said, if I had to prioritise the 4 props who will be out of contract, he would have been bottom of the list. That said, I don't see many international players moving as the "new" club won't get much game time from them until November. However, there may be a few one year contracts signed to get passed this hiatus?

Yep, when I was looking through the news reports to write this post I saw that most of the Edinburgh contracts end next season, with most of Glasgow's the season after.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 10:45 am

I'm not unhappy about Berghan being given another chance. We need more depth at tighthead and he's still relatively young and SQ.

Surprised to hear about McQuillan, no idea about the reasoning, and I'd not heard that he had an attitude problem. Always looked to me a tad small for a tighthead, but I assumed from the McPhail position that he was highly regarded by the establishment. He'll probably move to Glasgow now and become World Class.

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Post by RDW Tue 07 Apr 2015, 2:40 pm

Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes, Ben McCalman, James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 2:42 pm

I was about a highlight a bunch of names and then noticed you added the prefix "realistic".

I've give Schizoid's right arm for Edinburgh to sign Alberts, Folau and Savea.

Come on Solomons, time to leverage some contacts in South Africa!

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Post by Nematode Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:15 pm

I reckon some of the 'bigger' names will get hoovered up by the Japanese clubs and the big French clubs. They stay in the headlights of national selectors but get a couple of years of decent money.

From the list, I think Edinburgh/Glasgow could probably sign the calibre of Jesse Mogg/Nanai-Williams.

The key would be to target players who are unlikely to get picked by NZ again, but with some good performances could be a lucrative asset once their contract is up to the big money spenders in France. The Munster and Ulster signings are evidence of this I guess.

I'd plump for Simon Hickey though for Edinburgh - looks a decent 10, only about 20 and isn't NZ capped (just U20).

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Post by Majestic83 Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:20 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes(off to japan), Ben McCalman(off to japan), James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu(off to japan), Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

A few of the aussie players have already signed for Japanese clubs.
Have highlighted the ones I think realistically could be goers for Edinburgh or Glasgow. Tim Nanai-Williams would certainly be a cracking signing for Edinburgh or Glasgow, can play wing, full back or 13 and is electric in attack.
Steve Luatua seems to be getting itchy feet with 2 of his best mates coming to play in the pro 12. Would be a great addition to the blindside though Edinburgh and Glasgow are probably well enough covered now in those positions.
Some very good players in that list of players contracts being up.

Juan de Jongh is a very good 13 and would do a very good job outside Matt Scott. Dropped way out of favour with the springboks and also his position is under threat at the Stormers with them having De Allende and also the Scotsman Huw Jones playing very well for them this season. De Jongh could probably do with a switch and probably wouldn't be too expensive.


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Post by madmaccas Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:24 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes, Ben McCalman, James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

I've said it before, but I'd go hell for leather for McCaw. He's done his bit in New Zealand, is fiercely passionate about his Scottish heritage (he plays the pipes!) and would teach our backrowers far more than they could learn from anyone else. Offering him a player/assistant coach role at either Glasgow or Edinburgh and we may just be able to tempt him.

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Post by RDW Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:26 pm

Hopefully Sean lineen has got that list!

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Post by Majestic83 Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:31 pm

Another player who I didn't see in the list but I know is only on a year contract and would definitely be keen to come play in Scotland is Adam Thompson the ex All Black back rower now at the Reds.
Spent a few months travelling before playing in Japan. Playing there seems to have revitalised him and despite the Reds poor form he is playing very well for them. He is also very proud of his Scottish routes and the last time he was across with the All Blacks in Edinburgh went and bought a full kilt out fit.

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Post by RDW Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:39 pm

Would be great to get an ex international in his early 30s, especially if they're still keen to play but also pass on their knowledge

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Tue 07 Apr 2015, 3:40 pm

madmaccas wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes, Ben McCalman, James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

I've said it before, but I'd go hell for leather for McCaw. He's done his bit in New Zealand, is fiercely passionate about his Scottish heritage (he plays the pipes!) and would teach our backrowers far more than they could learn from anyone else. Offering him a player/assistant coach role at either Glasgow or Edinburgh and we may just be able to tempt him.

I would say there is more chance in me being being capped for Wales in the full back role than this transpiring.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 4:29 pm

madmaccas wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes, Ben McCalman, James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

I've said it before, but I'd go hell for leather for McCaw. He's done his bit in New Zealand, is fiercely passionate about his Scottish heritage (he plays the pipes!) and would teach our backrowers far more than they could learn from anyone else. Offering him a player/assistant coach role at either Glasgow or Edinburgh and we may just be able to tempt him.

Woah there! Bit embarrasing for McCaw to be schooled by Hamish Watson week in week out....

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Post by madmaccas Tue 07 Apr 2015, 7:11 pm

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RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently the following Super Rugby players' contracts are up after the World cup - any worth pursuing as realistic targets?

Dean Greyling, Flip van der Merwe, Francois Hougaard, Pierre Spies, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lood de Jager, Oupa Mahojé, Heinrich Brüssow, Boom Prinsloo, Cornal Hendricks, Willie le Roux, Robbie Coetzee, Warren Whiteley, Faf de Klerk, Marnitz Boshoff, Tendai Mtawawira, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Pieter-Steph du Toit, Willem Alberts, Marcell Coetzee, Ryan Kankowski, Cobus Reinach, François Steyn, Lwazi Mvovo, SP Marais, Steven Kitshoff, Frans Malherbe, Eben Etzebeth, Schalk Burger, Siya Kolisi, Duane Vermeulen, Juan de Jongh, Damian de Allende.

Australian conference: Ben Alexander, Scott Fardy, Sam Carter, David Pocock, Tevita Kuridrani, Jesse Mogg, Sam Wykes, Ben McCalman, James Slipper, Saia Faainga, Rob Simmons, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Dave Dennis, Wycliff Palu, Israel Folau.

New Zealand conference: Patrick Tuipulotu, Jerome Kaino, Steven Luatua, Simon Hickey, Francis Saili, Tevita Li, Lolagi Visinia, Frank Halai, Charles Piutau, Ben Tameifuna, Brodie Retallick, Sam Cane, Liam Messam, Augustine Pulu, Tim Nanai-Williams, Wyatt Crockett, Richie McCaw, Matt Todd, Colin Slade, Ryan Crotty, Robbie Fruean, Kane Hames, Liam Coltman, Nasi Manu, Lima Sopoaga, Malakai Fekitoa, Richard Buckman, Patrick Osborne, Ben Franks, Jeremy Thrush, Victor Vito, TJ Perenara, Julian Savea, Conrad Smith.

I've said it before, but I'd go hell for leather for McCaw. He's done his bit in New Zealand, is fiercely passionate about his Scottish heritage (he plays the pipes!) and would teach our backrowers far more than they could learn from anyone else. Offering him a player/assistant coach role at either Glasgow or Edinburgh and we may just be able to tempt him.

I would say there is more chance in me being being capped for Wales in the full back role than this transpiring.

Well Todd Blackadder did exactly that, came over as a player then coached Edinburgh and was assistant to Scotland. Cut his teeth doing that and then went on to the Crusaders.

It's how it's sold to him. Coaching opportunities are pretty few and far between in New Zealand so why not?! He gets a pretty healthy pay package, finally get to travel (he's been a 1 club man), connects to his Scottish roots (that's no euphemism) and gets to progress his career in to coaching at a higher level than ITM etc.

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Post by Welshmushroom Tue 07 Apr 2015, 7:27 pm

Looking at Glasgow they will challenge again next year. Even with the players going they look to strong on paper not to be a top 4 side. Townsend also tends to be very clever with his signings so I see them having another good year next year.

Edinburgh must be setting some kind of record for players brought in with a view to becoming Scottish qualified. The problem for them is they are improving but they lack the real edge needed at the moment to become a top 4 side. Especially given how the Irish teams are recruiting now. Clearly the competition for Europe is causing the Irish to further invest in resources to make sure they compete in the Pro 12. Add the Ospreys into the mix as well (with a rumour circulating that Roberts may be joining them instead of the Blues) with their signings who also clearly are investing again now that the central contracts have been tied up, so I just don't see Edinburgh breaking in to the top field without some major investment in quality players. I also don't think to many of the project players they have brought in are good enough to play for Scotland internationally and are mediocre club players at best. But what do I know, I'm probably totally wrong with my assessment on them.

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Post by RDW Tue 07 Apr 2015, 7:54 pm

We've certainly brought in several journeyman foreigners, but to be fair the only players that I think have been absolutely targeted by Scotland is WP Nel and Cornel Du Preez.

And both are international class for sure.

I think the Edinburgh foreigners thing had been blown out of proportion a bit. If everyone is fit our starting 15 would have 11 SQ players - soon to be 12 when Nel qualifies.

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Tue 07 Apr 2015, 8:52 pm

Hhhmm. I see Rory Hughes on the list of "out of contract-ers". This could be the test of how much the SRU/Glasgow have forgiven him for his involvement in the kebab shop. OK , he was found innocent in the courts but I imagine that the Glasgow PR department weren't thanking him for his behaviour

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 8:59 pm

I hope they do forgive Rory Hughes because putting all the off field stuff to one side, he has bags of potential as a winger. With Maitland and DTH out the door, plus Lamont being slower than a Fifer to his wallet, Hughes could have a big role for Glasgow next season. He's a good prospect.

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:03 pm

Is he really a good prospect, fES? I didn't think he had ever had that much game time. He looks a big lad but then again so was Rob Dewey ..................

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Post by Majestic83 Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:07 pm

Rory Hughes does look pretty useful, quite a big guy and got a lot of pace. Think he has scored a few for Stirling when he has played for them. Just needs to get a bit of game time now.
Probably could have benefited with going on loan to an English championship team for a few months to get some game time.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:21 pm

I was impressed with him in what I saw in the Glasgow preseason games, and reckon he'd work well on the left wing outside Mark Bennett, with Seymour on the right and Hogg at 15.

Big aggressive pacy strong running winger, like Lamont used to be. With more elusive and creative players around him he could do well.

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Post by SirBurger Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:23 pm

Majestic83 wrote:

Juan de Jongh is a very good 13 and would do a very good job outside Matt Scott. Dropped way out of favour with the springboks and also his position is under threat at the Stormers with them having De Allende and also the Scotsman Huw Jones playing very well for them this season. De Jongh could probably do with a switch and probably wouldn't be too expensive.

Why don't you target Huw Jones and bring him back?

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:23 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Is he really a good prospect, fES? I didn't think he had ever had that much game time. He looks a big lad but then again so was Rob Dewey ..................

Dewey was slow though, and had no ball handling or passing skills whatsoever. Pure crash ball merchant and nothing more. Blair and Goodman used him well at times, but he was quickly found out and negated. Ulster had very little use for him.

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Tue 07 Apr 2015, 9:26 pm

Hoi, SB. There is no need to bring any sort of logic to these boards. They have survived quite well for long enough without any of that sort of idealistic thinking Whistle
Excuse my ignorance but who the hell is Huw Jones. I now have BT Sport not Sky so don't keep up to speed with Super rugby

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Post by Weegie Wizard Wed 08 Apr 2015, 9:29 am

I haven't seen much in Hughes to make me think he will make the cut but it looks like we will need him next season. I hope I'm proved wrong.

From what I've heard he was not involved in the kebab rammy beyond being there at the time.

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Post by Majestic83 Wed 08 Apr 2015, 9:57 am

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Hoi, SB. There is no need to bring any sort of logic to these boards. They have survived quite well for long enough without any of that sort of idealistic thinking Whistle
Excuse my ignorance but who the hell is Huw Jones. I now have BT Sport not Sky so don't keep up to speed with Super rugby

He's a young centre/wing for the Stormers. Born in Edinburgh and his high school education was down at one of the rugby playing schools down in England on a scholarship. Went out to South Africa a year or two back to play a bit of club rugby & has ended up making the Stormers team. Been involved in most of their games this sesason mainly from the bench. Used on the wing and at 13 but looks very good. Really quick and got a great step on him, scored 2 tries so far I think.

Would be an ideal partner for Matt Scott in the centre, not sure how long his contract is for with the stormers!

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Post by Weegie Wizard Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:28 am

There's a good piece on him here:

http://inattheside.com/millfield-old-boy-jones-blossoming-south-african-experience/

A couple of things stand out here. Firstly, how good does that atmosphere look for a game of uni rugby. Much the same as Edinburgh v Glasgow at Peffermill Laugh

Also, the idea of 2 points for a penalty and 3 for a conversion seems like a good one.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:48 am

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InjuredYetAgain wrote:Is he really a good prospect, fES? I didn't think he had ever had that much game time. He looks a big lad but then again so was Rob Dewey ..................

Dewey was slow though, and had no ball handling or passing skills whatsoever. Pure crash ball merchant and nothing more. Blair and Goodman used him well at times, but he was quickly found out and negated. Ulster had very little use for him.

He was extraordinary at being a crash ball merchant though. Perhaps not at the professional level.
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Post by Nematode Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:53 am

I saw the Highlanders vs Stormers game on YouTube; Huw Jones scored and was unlucky not to get another. Looks like he's got plenty of potential (starting ahead of de Jong), but if he's getting regular game time for the Stormers might England (or Wales?) start to take a fancy?

Can't help but feel that if I was in the same position as him and got an offer from Glasgow - knowing I'd probably be on the bench behind Bennett and Dunbar - I'd turn it down.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:58 am

Apparently Richie Gray (the lock) will be sold to the highest bidder if Castres get relegated...
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Post by EWT Spoons Wed 08 Apr 2015, 10:59 am

Nematode wrote:I saw the Highlanders vs Stormers game on YouTube; Huw Jones scored and was unlucky not to get another. Looks like he's got plenty of potential (starting ahead of de Jong), but if he's getting regular game time for the Stormers might England (or Wales?) start to take a fancy?

Can't help but feel that if I was in the same position as him and got an offer from Glasgow - knowing I'd probably be on the bench behind Bennett and Dunbar - I'd turn it down.

Guess Edinburgh would be the best option then...shame.

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Post by madmaccas Wed 08 Apr 2015, 11:24 am

Apparently RL legend Kevin Sinfield is qualified to play for Scotland. Bit of a ridiculous article as he won't have a single union game under his belt by the World Cup and is 34 years old! Good for a laugh though.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/rugby/england-rugby-league-great-could-play-union-for-scotland.122254044


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Post by madmaccas Thu 09 Apr 2015, 1:05 pm

No idea if he's qualified, he is in possession of a Scottish christian name, but Lachlan McCaffrey is apparently being eyed up by Leicester. He's was pretty handy when I saw him play for the Brumbies and Force. Haven't seen much of him for London Welsh, but he could be a decent guy to look at.

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Post by Nematode Thu 09 Apr 2015, 1:15 pm

madmaccas wrote:No idea if he's qualified, he is in possession of a Scottish christian name, but Lachlan McCaffrey is apparently being eyed up by Leicester. He's was pretty handy when I saw him play for the Brumbies and Force. Haven't seen much of him for London Welsh, but he could be a decent guy to look at.

Ermmm, no thanks.


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Post by madmaccas Thu 09 Apr 2015, 1:57 pm

Nematode wrote:
madmaccas wrote:No idea if he's qualified, he is in possession of a Scottish christian name, but Lachlan McCaffrey is apparently being eyed up by Leicester. He's was pretty handy when I saw him play for the Brumbies and Force. Haven't seen much of him for London Welsh, but he could be a decent guy to look at.

Ermmm, no thanks.


Ha ha that's priceless. To be fair though he slipped, it happens! Based on that we'd have to say goodbye to Matt Scott after his constant slipping and missed tackles in the 6Nations.

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Post by Majestic83 Thu 09 Apr 2015, 3:59 pm

madmaccas wrote:
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madmaccas wrote:No idea if he's qualified, he is in possession of a Scottish christian name, but Lachlan McCaffrey is apparently being eyed up by Leicester. He's was pretty handy when I saw him play for the Brumbies and Force. Haven't seen much of him for London Welsh, but he could be a decent guy to look at.

Ermmm, no thanks.


Ha ha that's priceless. To be fair though he slipped, it happens! Based on that we'd have to say goodbye to Matt Scott after his constant slipping and missed tackles in the 6Nations.

As far as I know he is Scottish Qualified through a grand parent. Think he also qualifies for England as well.
When I saw him play in Oz he was pretty good but just didn't get much game time at the Force or the Brumbies. Pretty big unit but none of the coaches seem to have got the best out of him yet.
He's off to Leicester tigers where they are hoping Cockerill finally gets the best out of him.
Pretty interesting character, he stood at the last Australian election to be an MP.
Could be a good player but would need to step up his performances quite a bit to get a look in for Scotland.

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Post by RDW Sat 11 Apr 2015, 12:23 pm

Watched the Tahs v Stormera game and have to say I was pretty disappointed with the massive Fijian. I missed the try he scored, but I don't think he even touched the ball in the 2nd half (apart from a knock on) and looked slow and sluggish in defence.

He's bloody massive, but they weren't using him at all!

Mckibbon came on at 9 too and didn't look overly impressive. Slow and pondering service that made Laidlaw look like Matawalu!

Dr Jong had a big game in defence - I agree he'd be a decent signing for Edinburgh.

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Post by Scottish White Line Fever Sat 11 Apr 2015, 1:18 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Watched the Tahs v Stormera game and have to say I was pretty disappointed with the massive Fijian. I missed the try he scored, but I don't think he even touched the ball in the 2nd half (apart from a knock on) and looked slow and sluggish in defence.

He's bloody massive, but they weren't using him at all!

Mckibbon came on at 9 too and didn't look overly impressive. Slow and pondering service that made Laidlaw look like Matawalu!

Dr Jong had a big game in defence - I agree he'd be a decent signing for Edinburgh.


Very good finish for his try, bumped off a couple of defenders down the touchline and stretched for the line. He doesn't seem to be a workhorse of winger, by which I mean he doesn't really seem to drift in off his wing and into the midfield. Basically, I think he needs to be put in space on his wing if he's to be very effective, which isn't something Edinburgh excel at. 

Nasi Manu had a solid game for the Highlanders this morning as well. I've seen him a few times now and he doesn't seem to be a flashy 8, but instead does the basics you want from your 8. He defends solidly and always seems to be in and around the breakdown.

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Post by RDW Mon 13 Apr 2015, 4:08 pm

I'm sure it has already been sorted by now, but Matt Scott's injury woes throughout the year and now being ruled out for the rest of the season probably makes him a lot less sought after by other clubs given his contract is up for renewal.

I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign at Edinburgh (I just hope his contract is appearance related!)

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Post by madmaccas Tue 14 Apr 2015, 5:45 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm sure it has already been sorted by now, but Matt Scott's injury woes throughout the year and now being ruled out for the rest of the season probably makes him a lot less sought after by other clubs given his contract is up for renewal.

I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign at Edinburgh (I just hope his contract is appearance related!)

He already re-signed last month for another year. Quite surprised it wasn't a longer contract, but then he's rapidly becoming the new Ross Rennie (at least Rennie tackled Whistle )

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Post by RDW Tue 14 Apr 2015, 5:51 pm

madmaccas wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm sure it has already been sorted by now, but Matt Scott's injury woes throughout the year and now being ruled out for the rest of the season probably makes him a lot less sought after by other clubs given his contract is up for renewal.

I'd be surprised if he didn't re-sign at Edinburgh (I just hope his contract is appearance related!)

He already re-signed last month for another year. Quite surprised it wasn't a longer contract, but then he's rapidly becoming the new Ross Rennie (at least Rennie tackled Whistle )

An I being very forgetful or did I miss that announcement?

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Post by madmaccas Tue 14 Apr 2015, 7:43 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/26458508

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Post by RDW Tue 14 Apr 2015, 7:59 pm

That was from March 2014!

Either way, his contract isn't up this year after all!

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Post by madmaccas Tue 14 Apr 2015, 11:41 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:That was from March 2014!

Either way, his contract isn't up this year after all!

Ha ha quite right!

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Post by Nematode Wed 15 Apr 2015, 9:51 am

Why does Matt Scott not try shoulder pads like Pete Horne?

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