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Post by madmaccas Thu 02 Apr 2015, 13:14

First topic message reminder :

With a few players announcing their departures, and few named to replace them, I thought it'd be useful to have an in-out list.

Also a good place to post any rumours or rumours of rumours.

Let me know if I'm missing anyone?!


Edinburgh


In:

Nasi Manu - Highlanders - Flanker     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DsgMvrYr6I
Will Helu - Coventry Wasps - Wing    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luMTcwgcr5U
Nathan Fowles - Sale - SH              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFWzXXhzeQE
Michael Allen - Ulster - Wing/Centre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHnLKIz0Ecw
Otulea Katoa - Southland - Wing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crq6ZJKaeg4

Duncan Hodge - SRU - Backs Coach

Out:

Tim Visser - Harlequins - Wing
Ollie Atkins - Exeter Chiefs - Lock
Michael Tait - the bar - Centre
Tom Heathcote - Worcester Warriors - FH
Grayson Hart - Glasgow Warriors - SH
Wicus Blaauw - ? - Prop
Brett Thompson - ? -
Nikki Walker - Hawick - Wing


Contract ending:

Hookers: Hilterbrand, Turner
Props: Dickinson, Nel
BR: Leonardi, Du Preez

FH: Bezuidenhout
Centre: Dominguez, Atiga
Wings: Farndale


Glasgow Warriors


In:

Grayson Hart - Edinburgh - SH                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1ReJ_oz1Rk
Mike Blair - Newcastle Falcons - SH             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sWN-M8lQ2o
Keiran Low - London Irish - Lock/Flanker       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszjBclzxds
Simone Favaro - Treviso - Flanker                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAcEaWGY8yk
Sam Johnson - Queensland Reds - Centre      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J_O4sLMfdc
Greg Peterson - Leicester Tigers - Lock
Taqele Naiyaravoro - NSW Waratahs - Wing  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgSC643wJRI
Javan Sebastian - Scarlets Academy - Prop  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9N4q0zcwTo
Jason Hill - Heriot’s - No.8                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my_UQoN8DM8
Hugh Blake - Edinburgh? - Flanker             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho
Sila Puafisi - Gloucester - Prop                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLR_9CXkUs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqAneyg0Fqw


Dan McFarland - Connacht - Forwards Coach

Out:

Niko Matawalu - Bath - SH
Sean Maitland - London Irish - Wing
John Welsh - Newcastle Falcons - Prop
Dougie Hall - the bar - Hooker
Al Kellock - the bar - Lock
DTH - Scarlets - Wing
Tom Ryder - Northampton - Lock
James Downey - Wasps - Centre
Murray McConnell - Nottingham - Centre
Tommy Spinks - Jersey - Flanker

Shade Munroe - ? - Forwards Coach

Contract ending:

Props: Murray, G.Hunter

SH: Price
FH: Hunter, Lyle
Wings: Hughes
Full Backs: Braid


London Scottish


In:

Drew Locke - Jersey - Centre                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KcGBGC7FKI
Neale Patrick - Plymouth - Lock              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsi07ANTE04
Russell Weir - Scotland 7's - SH              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agpcYh30H04
David Young - Newport Dragons - Prop    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxIq4nwimCM
Freddie Clarke - Bath - Flanker
Jason Harries - Wales 7's - Centre
Jimmy Litchfield - London Welsh - Prop    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMCPZqsXqHo
James Chisholm - Harlequins - No.8         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl9v5JzpUn0  (scorer of both tries)
Craig Jackson - Hartbury - Full Back         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jXMZE5Xl-k
Rory Bartle - Gloucester - Lock                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJF0rIYhms
Tyrone Moran - Leinster - Hooker             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4Bq0Dkdfg
Will Carrick-Smith - Exeter - Lock
Joe Marchant - Harlequins - Centre          https://vine.co/v/O2FBmaU6dD2
Kieran Treadwell - Harlequins - Lock        
James Gibbons - Gloucester - Prop
Season long loan from Bath Rugby
Beno Obano - Bath - Prop                       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqWvAmmYfw  
Tom Woolstencroft - Bath - Hooker          https://vine.co/v/MTDzbLxOxTM

Peter Richards - LS - Promoted to Head Coach
Tim Payne - London Irish - Forwards Coach


Out:

Adam Preocanin - Ealing Trailfinders - Lock
Gregor Gillanders - Blackheath - Flanker
James Phillips - Bristol - No.8
Jamie Stevenson - Wasps - Scrum Half
Kieran Moffat- returned to New Zealand - Centre
Lovejoy Chawatama - Rosslyn Park - Prop
Mark Lilley - Rosslyn Park - Prop
Matt Hawke - Rosslyn Park - Centre
Mike Doneghan - AS Macon - Wing
Neil Best - Retired - Flanker
PJ Gidlow - Stade Rouennais - Centre
Ross Doneghan - Retired - Flanker
Stewart Maguire - East Grinstead - Prop
Tai Tuisamoa - returned to USA - Flanker

Mike Friday - USA 7's - Head Coach


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Post by George Carlin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 13:41

Shuggy B sounds like a 14 year old 'rapper' from Castlemilk.
So that's what we'll call him.
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Post by RDW Thu 13 Aug 2015, 15:38

Edinburgh have a defence coach!

The backroom team at Edinburgh Rugby has been enhanced with the recent addition of Defence Coach, in the shape of Peter Wilkins.

The UK-born and bred Durham University graduate began his coaching journey with the RFU before moving to Australia where he progressed within the Queensland Reds from Regional Rugby Manager to Defence Coach.

During his time in Brisbane he was also Head Coach of Queensland A and Defence Coach of Queensland Country.

In June this year, Peter and his young family returned home to the UK as he took up the role with the capital club.

In addition to his position within the squad, he has also been sharing his skills with regional club coaches at workshops and younger local players at Edinburgh Rugby development camps.

Wilkins said: “There are a lot of subtle differences between the sport here and in Australia – the rugby programme, the working week and the style of rugby – but the fundamentals remain the same.

“Whether that’s on the coaching field, in terms of getting best practice and getting results from the players, or whether that’s culturally in and around the club, it’s similar the world over.”

This particular part of the globe is a place Peter knows well off the field, too.

He said: “My father’s side of the family come from South Lanarkshire and Montrose and I’ve had a lot of good experiences in Edinburgh both on rugby tours and on visits so it’s a part of the world I’m very excited to have the opportunity to live in.

“Most importantly for me was the opportunity to join a club that’s improved significantly over the last few years and has a huge amount of potential moving forward. To be able to join the rugby programme at this stage is very exciting and I’m really looking forward to playing a part in taking the club forward.”

Head coach Alan Solomons said: "It is great to have Peter on board. The position of Defence Coach is key to us as we look to progress and Peter, with Super Rugby experience under his belt, will no doubt add huge value in this important sphere of the game.”

Assistant coach Stevie Scott said: “Peter will be a great addition to the coaching team. He brings solid experience from the Super Rugby competition and will make a good impact on the players this season.”

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Post by cp10 Thu 13 Aug 2015, 16:54

RDW_Scotland wrote:Edinburgh have a defence coach!

The backroom team at Edinburgh Rugby has been enhanced with the recent addition of Defence Coach, in the shape of Peter Wilkins.

The UK-born and bred Durham University graduate began his coaching journey with the RFU before moving to Australia where he progressed within the Queensland Reds from Regional Rugby Manager to Defence Coach.

During his time in Brisbane he was also Head Coach of Queensland A and Defence Coach of Queensland Country.

In June this year, Peter and his young family returned home to the UK as he took up the role with the capital club.

In addition to his position within the squad, he has also been sharing his skills with regional club coaches at workshops and younger local players at Edinburgh Rugby development camps.

Wilkins said: “There are a lot of subtle differences between the sport here and in Australia – the rugby programme, the working week and the style of rugby – but the fundamentals remain the same.

“Whether that’s on the coaching field, in terms of getting best practice and getting results from the players, or whether that’s culturally in and around the club, it’s similar the world over.”

This particular part of the globe is a place Peter knows well off the field, too.

He said: “My father’s side of the family come from South Lanarkshire and Montrose and I’ve had a lot of good experiences in Edinburgh both on rugby tours and on visits so it’s a part of the world I’m very excited to have the opportunity to live in.

“Most importantly for me was the opportunity to join a club that’s improved significantly over the last few years and has a huge amount of potential moving forward. To be able to join the rugby programme at this stage is very exciting and I’m really looking forward to playing a part in taking the club forward.”

Head coach Alan Solomons said: "It is great to have Peter on board. The position of Defence Coach is key to us as we look to progress and Peter, with Super Rugby experience under his belt, will no doubt add huge value in this important sphere of the game.”

Assistant coach Stevie Scott said: “Peter will be a great addition to the coaching team. He brings solid experience from the Super Rugby competition and will make a good impact on the players this season.”

Part of the coaching session I went to was run by Peter. Can't really comment how good he'll be. He bases a lot of his stuff on analytics which seems the norm for defence guys. Completely different character to Omar "crazy frog" Mouneimne.

Calum Macrae is currently working with the Edinburgh backs doing evasion skills. He also presented at the session.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 13 Aug 2015, 17:19

All sounds positive, and with Visser gone that's one defensive headache removed from the equation. I wonder how he'll deal with Cuthbert's lack of pace.

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Post by madmaccas Mon 17 Aug 2015, 16:12

Scrum half Murdo McAndrew has signed for Edinburgh from Melrose


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Post by RDW Mon 17 Aug 2015, 17:44

Well we're short of scrum halfs with Hart leaving (still don't understand that) but he's just another young pup.

Could really have done with an experienced player signing. I.e. Mike Blair! Sam Hidalgo-Clyne is the most experienced 9 now and he's only just broken through.

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Post by madmaccas Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:12

Ok, London Scottish have very helpfully updated their squad list with a press release.

New Signings
Craig Jackson (Hartpury, back, Scottish qualified.) Honours, Scotland U19, U20, Scotland 7s.
David Young (Newport Gwent Dragons, prop, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland A, U20, U19, U18
Drew Locke (Jersey Rugby, centre). Honours, England Students.
Freddie Clarke (Bath University, back-row). Honours, England 7s, England Students, U19, U16.
Jason Harries (Carmarthen Quins, centre). Honours, Wales Sevens, Wales U20, U18.
Jimmy Litchfield (London Welsh, prop).
Neale Patrick (Plymouth Albion, second row, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland U20.
Rory Bartle (Hartpury, back-row/second row). Honours, Wales U20, U16.
Russell Weir (Scotland 7s, scrum-half, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland 7s, Scotland U20, U18
Tyrone Moran (Leinster, hooker). Honours, Leinster U19.
Will Carrick-Smith (Exeter Chiefs, second row). Honours, England U19.

Dual Registered from Harlequins
James Chisholm (back-row). Honours England U20, U19, U18.
Joe Marchant (centre). Honours, England U20, U18.
Kieran Treadwell (second-row). Honours, England U20, U18, Ireland U18.

Season long loan from Gloucester Rugby
James Gibbons (prop).
Season long loan from Bath Rugby
Beno Obano (front-row).
Tom Woolstencroft (hooker). Honours, England U20.

Re-signed
Chris Walker (back-row). Honours, New Zealand U21. London Scottish appearances, 18.
David Cherry (hooker, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland U20, U19, U18, U17. London Scottish appearances, 19.
James Hallam (prop). Honours, Cornwall. London Scottish appearances, 27.
Max Maidment (prop). Honours, England Students. London Scottish appearances, 19.
Peter Lydon (stand-off/full-back/centre) Honours, Leinster U20, U19, U18. London Scottish appearances, 29.

Academy Bursary
The club has recently received funding allowing for academy bursary players, and are still seeking additional funds to allow for further bursary players.
Alex Brown (back-row). London Scottish appearances, 7.
Ben Calder (scrum-half). Honours Wales U18, England U16, London and South East, U18 & U16. Hertfordshire U18, U16, U15, U14. London Scottish appearances, 5.
Harry Lightfoot-Brown (winger, London Irish). Honours, England U18, U17, U16.

Under Contract
Adam Kwasnicki (hooker), Honours, England U18. London Scottish appearances, 115.
Ben Prescott (prop, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scottish Students, U18s. London Scottish appearances, 21.
Chevvy Pennycook (back-row). Honours, England U20, U19, U18. London Scottish appearances, 54.
Dan Newton (stand-off). Honours, Wales U20, U16. London Scottish appearances, 48.
Josh Thomas Brown (second row, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland U20. London Scottish appearances, 73.
Lee Millar (stand-off, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland Club XV. London Scottish appearances, 42
Mark Bright (back-row), Honours, England 7s, Nelsons Bay, Cornwall. London Scottish appearances, 96.
Matt Heeks (scrum-half, Scottish qualified) Honours, Scotland U20, U19, U18. London Scottish appearances, 54.
Matt Williams (winger) Honours, England 7s. London Scottish appearances, 25.
Miles Mantella (winger). London Scottish appearances, 70
Oli Grove (centre, Scottish qualified). Honours, Scotland U20. London Scottish appearances, 61.

Departing Players
Adam Preocanin, Ealing Trailfinders
Gregor Gillanders, Blackheath.
James Phillips, Bristol.
Jamie Stevenson, Wasps.
Kieran Moffat, returned to New Zealand
Lovejoy Chawatama, Rosslyn Park.
Mark Lilley, Rosslyn Park
Matt Hawke, Rosslyn Park.
Mike Doneghan, AS Macon, France.
Neil Best, retired from professional rugby.
PJ Gidlow, Stade Rouennais, France
Ross Doneghan, retired from professional rugby
Stewart Maguire, East Grinstead.
Tai Tuisamoa, returned to USA.

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Post by madmaccas Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:20

I'm pretty gutted to be losing Jamie Stevenson, James Phillips, Tai Tuisamoa, Mike Doneghan, PJ Gidlow and particularly Neil Best.

The spine of the team is still very strong with Mark Bright getting better with age, Miles Mantella and Matt Williams scoring at will, and Lee Millar, Dan Newton, Oli Grove and Peter Lydon providing creativity.

I don't know a huge amount about the new signings, but I'm hoping for some Toonie style inspired choices. It's certainly a far younger squad than last season, that's for sure.

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Post by George Carlin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:30

This is a very helpful update, Maccas. It's intriguing to see how many age grade caps there are in the squad. Can we finally get promoted this year?
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Post by madmaccas Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:58

George Carlin wrote:This is a very helpful update, Maccas. It's intriguing to see how many age grade caps there are in the squad. Can we finally get promoted this year?

Yeah and some of them look pretty tasty. Beno Obano on loan for the season from Bath is a beast! Only 20 and 20 stone, yet rapid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqWvAmmYfw

I think we could be dark horses, but where we lack is the tight 5. Our backline is the best in the league by a distance, reflected in the tries scored, yet we don't quite have the savvy grunt we need up front to dominate sides. It's quite similar to Glasgow the season before last really (and we have a similar 'organised chaos' style with plenty of offloads). That's why I'm particularly sorry to lose Best.

The club is building year on year, but I think at some point we need to really go for it. From what I understand the money is being assembled for a big push (look at some of the sponsors and businessmen on the board), but they want a sustainable model and will only do it when the groundwork has been laid. Of course, as our squad get better, more of our players will be poached, so in my mind 2016-17 should be the year we should target.

Saying that, if we were able to shock the likes of star studded Bristol and get promoted, then the wallets would open a wee bit more (although once again from a responsible position). Last thing we want is to be the next London Welsh!

To be honest I still think we should try and get into the Pro12. I know I sound like a broken record, but it makes sense for everyone.

Would take us a season or two to be really competitive, but once we were there it would help Scotland, the league and the club.


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Post by madmaccas Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:59

Oh and once again the squad is a 3rd Scottish Qualified. And it would have been much higher but for retirements and players moving on.

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Post by RDW Fri 21 Aug 2015, 06:54

Big T has missed the Australian squad for the wc. Given he's yet to play a game for them that's no surprise!

This has all been a real shame - his head was turned with the chance to play for Australia, and that never transpired.

He could have been at Glasgow weeks ago!

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Post by RDW Fri 21 Aug 2015, 07:44

Actually, turns out he's been named in an extended 10 man training squad, who are up for selection against the USA.

I suspect that's where they will cap him.

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Post by RDW Mon 24 Aug 2015, 11:28

Was this guy not rumoured to be joining Edinburgh a season or two ago? Is he SQ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VHzS4z4h6MA


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Post by George Carlin Mon 24 Aug 2015, 11:45

Yes, he is - unfortunately he is pretty high profile (even though he hasn't played much Super Rugby) and a lot of the press (Rattue in the Herald, for example) think that it's only a matter of time before the All Blacks come knocking.

That's the problem with SQ players. They need to be good enough to come over, but not quite good enough to get a cap with their organic national team.
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Post by Majestic83 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 12:10

George Carlin wrote:Yes, he is - unfortunately he is pretty high profile (even though he hasn't played much Super Rugby) and a lot of the press (Rattue in the Herald, for example) think that it's only a matter of time before the All Blacks come knocking.

That's the problem with SQ players. They need to be good enough to come over, but not quite good enough to get a cap with their organic national team.

Not sure if he is Scottish qualified or not.

He played for the Blues in super rugby this season and was pretty poor. Not sure if it was because he didn't get much good ball from a pack going backwards fairly often.

Played for the NZ Maori in the past bust lost his spot this summer to 2 other SQ fly halfs, Marty and Damian McKenzie.

Ihaia West is very skilful but his game management doesn't seem the greatest. Looks very good at ITM level but did seem a bit exposed at super rugby. Similar in a way to Jade Te Rure, maybe Super rugby/Pro 12 is just slightly too far a step up for them at this stage.
Damian McKenzie on the other hand is a very classy player who would be a very good addition to Scottish rugby.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 24 Aug 2015, 13:39

George Carlin wrote:Yes, he is - unfortunately he is pretty high profile (even though he hasn't played much Super Rugby) and a lot of the press (Rattue in the Herald, for example) think that it's only a matter of time before the All Blacks come knocking.

That's the problem with SQ players. They need to be good enough to come over, but not quite good enough to get a cap with their organic national team.

That's a new one! I like the idea of non-organic players, presumably they last longer?

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Post by IanBru Mon 24 Aug 2015, 14:13

I think we can safely say that Justin Gatlin is non-organic...
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Post by nickj Thu 27 Aug 2015, 10:57

In the words of Bill - he's certainly a big laddie http://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/15/08/26/warriors-clinch-puafisi-signing
http://www.gloucesterrugby.co.uk/rugby/squad/squads_gloucester_first_xv.php?player=114668&includeref=dynamic
Hugh Blake is officially official too.

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Post by RDW Thu 27 Aug 2015, 11:51

I'd really like a journalist to ask Toony if he's as happy with his propping resources as he was last season.

Really can't fathom some of these decisions to let people go!

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Post by nickj Thu 27 Aug 2015, 12:01

I agree letting Welsh leave was a mistake, but maybe he had his head turned? Murray, not so much. I think Euge was probably keen to leave for one last bumper pay deal following his international retirement. I think the RDK situation took everyone by surprise too. Not least the wee girl he approached...

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