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Post by FootballLight Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:44 pm

First topic message reminder :

Sorry 24, I'm thinking of the World Cup again.

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Post by GSC Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:44 pm

Well if Ronald McDonald didn't know who one of the Italian midfielders were, who would?
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:52 pm

Interesting that all you can do is criticise Carrick when everyone else is noticing how well he played and his impact on the team. At the same time love Walcott based solely on looks.

Want a right back? See who set up two goals for the u21s versus Germany.

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Post by GSC Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:56 pm

To be fair, better than Phil Jones, isnt exactly a great endorsement.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:24 pm

The way he improves United is incredible. Especially just on points per game with/without Carrick

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Post by mystiroakey Wed Apr 01, 2015 6:47 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Interesting that all you can do is criticise Carrick when everyone else is noticing how well he played and his impact on the team. At the same time love Walcott based solely on looks.

Want a right back? See who set up two goals for the u21s versus Germany.

Jenkinson played awesome..

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Post by Guest Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:15 pm

Might of played awesome, doesn't mean anything. Clyne been head & shoulders best RB in PL, even he looks like he's not ready for the step up to international level, just yet. If Jenkinson was any good, no way Wenger would go & buy Debuchy & he's awful, so what does that say.

This is the England team most likely for France

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Clyne-----Cahill----Jagielka---Baines
--Henderson---Carrick--Wilshere----
Sterling--------Rooney-----Welbeck

Dodgy defence & a lack of real natural goalscorers, other than Rooney, who always fails anyway at major tournaments.

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Post by mystiroakey Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:26 pm

that team isnt to bad- dont expect miracles.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:46 pm

Not really sure that point makes any sense. Going by Clyne performing well in the Prem then slating Jenkinson because Wenger hasn't kept him, even though Jenkinson has arguably been our more consistent player this year and has performed against arguably the best under 21s team in the world.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:20 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Interesting that all you can do is criticise Carrick when everyone else is noticing how well he played and his impact on the team. At the same time love Walcott based solely on looks.

Want a right back? See who set up two goals for the u21s versus Germany.

Carrick may have played well, but it was under no duress from the Italian opposition, and in a game played at training-ground pace. For him to be lauded for that is quite ridiculous. To say he is England's Pirlo is an insult to Pirlo; one of the finest midfielders and passers of a generation. And to say England would have won a major trophy again if Carrick had been picked more often...just no.

Gorgeous Theo has actually shown ability in an England shirt, when it mattered (Croatia and Sweden), but has been hampered by injuries, bizarre selection policy (2010), and strange tactics (being played out of position against the Italians for twenty minutes didn't help). It isn't solely looks, ya know - otherwise I would be drooling over Sterling!

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Post by GSC Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:22 pm

Jenkinsons not a bad player. Chambers was a better prospect and Debuchy more experienced so one of the three had to go
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Post by Duty281 Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:01 am

All over for Harry Kane.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/harry-kane-burns-out-2015040196960

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Post by mystiroakey Fri Apr 03, 2015 2:18 pm

Yep the lad can not turn water in to wine any more. What a shame. Our messiah has left us.

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Post by FootballLight Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:21 pm

GSC wrote:Jenkinsons not a bad player. Chambers was a better prospect and Debuchy more experienced so one of the three had to go

Yes Hector Bellerin proved he is still better than all 3. Whistle

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:59 pm

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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Interesting that all you can do is criticise Carrick when everyone else is noticing how well he played and his impact on the team. At the same time love Walcott based solely on looks.

Want a right back? See who set up two goals for the u21s versus Germany.

Carrick may have played well, but it was under no duress from the Italian opposition, and in a game played at training-ground pace. For him to be lauded for that is quite ridiculous. To say he is England's Pirlo is an insult to Pirlo; one of the finest midfielders and passers of a generation. And to say England would have won a major trophy again if Carrick had been picked more often...just no.

Gorgeous Theo has actually shown ability in an England shirt, when it mattered (Croatia and Sweden), but has been hampered by injuries, bizarre selection policy (2010), and strange tactics (being played out of position against the Italians for twenty minutes didn't help). It isn't solely looks, ya know - otherwise I would be drooling over Sterling!

Typical England fan doesn't have a clue when it comes to central midfielders, unless a player is running around a lot, diving into tackles, hitting 30 yard shots or delivering pointless crossfield balls then he's not that good.

If Carrick was a player who was incomparable to Pirlo then i'd worry about my club teams dependency on him, the reality however is that he's the best passer of a ball England have, is calm at all times and is fairly decent in the air. I'm not suggesting that Carrick is at the level of Alonso or where Xavi once was but neither is Pirlo but he has been misused by England managers for the best part of a decade now because of Gerrard and Lampard just like Scholes was before.

You'll notice Duty how Pirlo, Alonso, Xavi and Carrick all appear to have a lot of time on the ball for two reasons, they're constantly passing and moving making time and space. It's something that players on the continent get a lot of credit for but when an English player can do it there must be a reason why because he's not that good, unless you take one of your attackers out of the game to man mark the 'quarterback' it's very difficult to stop.

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Post by Duty281 Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:07 pm

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Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Interesting that all you can do is criticise Carrick when everyone else is noticing how well he played and his impact on the team. At the same time love Walcott based solely on looks.

Want a right back? See who set up two goals for the u21s versus Germany.

Carrick may have played well, but it was under no duress from the Italian opposition, and in a game played at training-ground pace. For him to be lauded for that is quite ridiculous. To say he is England's Pirlo is an insult to Pirlo; one of the finest midfielders and passers of a generation. And to say England would have won a major trophy again if Carrick had been picked more often...just no.

Gorgeous Theo has actually shown ability in an England shirt, when it mattered (Croatia and Sweden), but has been hampered by injuries, bizarre selection policy (2010), and strange tactics (being played out of position against the Italians for twenty minutes didn't help). It isn't solely looks, ya know - otherwise I would be drooling over Sterling!

Typical England fan doesn't have a clue when it comes to central midfielders, unless a player is running around a lot, diving into tackles, hitting 30 yard shots or delivering pointless crossfield balls then he's not that good.

I rated Paul Scholes very highly, and I don't remember him doing that an awful lot? Headscratch

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Post by GSC Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:24 pm

Or winning a single Ballon D'or vote
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Post by Fernando Thu May 21, 2015 1:43 pm

England Squad to play Ireland & some qualifier

Goalkeepers: Rob Green (Queens Park Rangers), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley),

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester) Danny Welbeck (Arsenal).

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Post by GSC Thu May 21, 2015 1:50 pm

James Vardy is in an England squad.

I cant sum up how far we've fallen better than that
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Post by Stella Thu May 21, 2015 1:52 pm

GSC wrote:James Vardy is in an England squad.

I cant sum up how far we've fallen better than that

I was thinking the same. Though hard work has given him the chance.
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Post by Liam Thu May 21, 2015 2:23 pm

Vardy has done well on the back end of leicester's season, offers pace and a good work rate but nowhere near international standard. The biggest load of nonsense in this squad is the omission of Ashley Young, who has been one of the best wingers in the league in the last 10-15 games. He's come off the back of two MOTM performances yet Hodgson's favourite son Townsend is still there after doing pretty much nothing all season, and also Walcott who has barely played a minute for Arsenal. What a joke.

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Post by Stella Thu May 21, 2015 2:36 pm

Townsend has played well for England. To leave him out of the squad, would be cruel.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Thu May 21, 2015 3:00 pm

Possibly the worst England squad i've lived to see. To think none of Noble, Tomkins or Cresswell got a call up this year, but Vardy runs a lot for Leicester and they scrape survival so hes an international.

Gibbs, Walcott, Wilshere, Townsend, Mason as well. All joke picks. Jagielka shouldnt be seeing England squads again, either.

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Post by Duty281 Thu May 21, 2015 4:35 pm

Worry not, my fellow Englishmen. This time of the year is not one to worry seriously about the status of the England squad.

I mean ten years ago, SWP, Dawson, Downing, Jenas, Johnson (both Andy and Glen!), Knight, Smith, and Young were all populating the England squad. And Phillip Neville!

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/seas2000-10/2004-05/M0827USA2005PreEng.html

Worry not. England are in France next year, and that is all that matters.

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Post by Guest Thu May 21, 2015 5:11 pm

Shocking side & a woefully inept manager. Vardy picard

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Post by Guest Thu May 21, 2015 5:14 pm

Roy Hodgson, there's simply not enough picard facepalm's available.

A truly horrifying manager, who is taking us nowhere fast. Needed to be gone after the shambles of the WC, which was inexcusable & now we have to watch Jamie Vardy in an England shirt.

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Post by Duty281 Thu May 21, 2015 7:00 pm

I remember the old criticism of Hodgson - someone who had a big club bias.

It was a load of rubbish then, it still is now.

And people still complain over squad selection during two meaningless fixtures (all England fixtures are meaningless until next year, people!).

Oh and Ings/Sturridge/Berahino/Carroll/Kane are all unavailable, which is why Vardy (who has as many assists as Hazard this season) is in!

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Post by Nakatomi Plaza Thu May 21, 2015 7:10 pm

To add to Duty's point, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Carrick and Young are also unavailable.

Can't understand why people are moaning about Wilshere's inclusion. He was England's best player in the games he's been made available in.

I personally think Aaron Creswell's unlucky. I rate him higher than both Bertrand and Gibbs.

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Post by Duty281 Fri May 29, 2015 5:37 pm

John wrote:Roy Hodgson, there's simply not enough picard facepalm's available.

A truly horrifying manager, who is taking us nowhere fast. Needed to be gone after the shambles of the WC, which was inexcusable & now we have to watch Jamie Vardy in an England shirt.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32926371

John, you have upset him now. #onlyoneroyhodgson

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Post by Duty281 Sat May 30, 2015 8:30 pm

Dear Roy,

Please give my boyfriend Theo another go up front. At least an hour this time.

Yours, Duty.

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Post by Guest Sat May 30, 2015 8:33 pm

I knew some kind of post match comment like this was in the pipeline. Theo should be nowhere near the England starting line-up

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat May 30, 2015 9:01 pm

You want to know why Theo isnt a striker? Think about that shot he had just before he was subbed off. And the fact Sanchez had to go up front in the first half because Walcott was playing crud.

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Post by Duty281 Sat May 30, 2015 9:06 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:You want to know why Theo isnt a striker? Think about that shot he had just before he was subbed off.

So one poor miss and you don't qualify as being a striker?

Think about that first goal - Sturridge and Welbeck, on their unfavoured feet, would not be able to manage the same level of finesse as Theo did.

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Post by GSC Sat May 30, 2015 9:15 pm

To be fair, Walcott cam play up front if it means Vardy doesn't play.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sat May 30, 2015 9:21 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:You want to know why Theo isnt a striker? Think about that shot he had just before he was subbed off.

So one poor miss and you don't qualify as being a striker?

Think about that first goal - Sturridge and Welbeck, on their unfavoured feet, would not be able to manage the same level of finesse as Theo did.

One good shot (which I by no means think he intended) and hes good enough? In a display where he was otherwise poor. That goal was the anomaly of Walcott as a striker, the miss more aligned with the rule.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:30 pm

We're playing Ireland in a bit
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Post by mystiroakey Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:41 pm

Yes we are. I just woke up and was told. I didn't even know haha. Nice surprise.


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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:11 pm

We look decent until Rooney gets the ball
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:16 pm

GSC wrote:We look decent until Rooney gets the ball

He ain't no Jamie Vardy buh
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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:20 pm

Wilsheres playing well. Hendersons done ok. Bit so so otherwise
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:31 pm

Lallana is so crap
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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:48 pm

This is a Poopie match
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Post by compelling and rich Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:53 pm

god we are awful! is this the same sport as i was watching last night?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:57 pm

Chuck Austin and Vardy on let's see what they've got
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Post by compelling and rich Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:58 pm

cant be any worse

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Post by mystiroakey Sun Jun 07, 2015 2:59 pm

Why was I told about this match. Only Wiltshire can be bothered , probally due to only just coming back. Get Walcott on ASAP. And Delph, maybe Vardy as well

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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:07 pm

Rooney is Poopie
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Post by compelling and rich Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:08 pm

been telling people that for ages having watched him every single week, i just get accused of being overly harsh on him

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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:12 pm

Its hard to believe how crap that touch really was
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Post by GSC Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:15 pm

Must be hard for Jack Wilshere, being the only player on the pitch with any technical ability.
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:16 pm

What is the point of this match, the players have recently finished their season and gone on holiday so anything more than a dire performance would be a shock.

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