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Post by FootballLight Sun 29 Mar - 19:44

First topic message reminder :

Sorry 24, I'm thinking of the World Cup again.

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Post by Guest Mon 15 Jun - 12:22

Our attack is not as good as most teams in the world, ROONEY is our only natural goalscorer who's consistent. Sterling can't hit a barn door, Sturridge proved he can't finish at the WC, Townsend & Walcott aren't prolific & neither is Henderson or Wilshere. Welbeck needs 5 chances per goal. if you compare our goal getters to other nations, we're far down the list.

Yesterday just proved why we won't do anything next summer, defence is a shambles, like during the WC.

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Mon 15 Jun - 12:24

mystiroakey wrote:Our attack looks as good as most in the world.. So it's looking ok as an England fan.

Our attack is good, but beyond Rooney either unproven (Kane)/ inexperienced (Sterling) or injury prone (Sturridge). And Rooney hasn't really been at his best for England for a while. The fact that Andros Townsend is getting regular starts should be a worry for England fans.

I'm not sure it's looking any better than 'ok' for England fans. Given the weakness of our defence, and the lack of balance to our midfield, I'm not sure we can be competitive against better opposition even if our attack was 'as good as most in the world'. When was the last time England put out a back four as weak as Gibbs-Cahill-Smalling-Jones? Similarly, Delph and Henderson both strike me as remarkably James Milner-esque. Technically decent, hard-working, but not going to strike fear into their opponents.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon 15 Jun - 12:32

Wilshire with the back up of carrick and I am not sure how you can have a pop at our midfield link to attack.

It's just the finishing(fingers crossed Kane will keep that up and Rooney will improve in his conversion rate) and defence that is causing concern.

Then Walcott, Ox sterling, sturidge, welbeck(great left wing as much as he hates it) and lallana are all very good on the ball. I also rate Delph a lot more than Milner or hendo. And let's be honest andros whilst average as a spud. Does seem to play better for his nation.

We need to sort that effing defence out.

The irony that even though we have been poor for 20 years our defence still ranked top 2 in the world, and know we have some flair we no defenders.

England all over.... Doh

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Post by Azzy Mon 15 Jun - 13:38

Nakatomi Plaza wrote:I've defended Hodgson a number of times, but I cannot understand why he keeps playing centre halves (Stones, Chambers and now Jones), at right back rather than Clyne.
Tony Pulis does it for Albion, four CBs across the back. You'd think we'd be impenetrable from set pieces but what happens is your crap RB/LB give away so many free kicks and corners that eventually mud sticks and you concede.

Jones should not only never play RB for England again, but until he's performing to a good enough standard, he should never play for England again. Quite how he continues to play ahead of the likes of Shawcross, Michael Dawson, hell, Clint Hill, I'll never know. It's rare to see someone struggle so badly for form yet continue to get picked. And it's not as if he's been outstanding for England before, I can't recall a single 8/10 performance from him.

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Post by mystiroakey Mon 15 Jun - 14:14

Well to be fair to TP it worked at palace.

He was playing some central defenders in the lb and or rob positions.

It depends if the player is adaptable enough.

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Post by Azzy Mon 15 Jun - 14:25

LiamB wrote:Our attack is not as good as most teams in the world, ROONEY is our only natural goalscorer who's consistent. Sterling can't hit a barn door, Sturridge proved he can't finish at the WC, Townsend & Walcott aren't prolific & neither is Henderson or Wilshere. Welbeck needs 5 chances per goal. if you compare our goal getters to other nations, we're far down the list.

Yesterday just proved why we won't do anything next summer, defence is a shambles, like during the WC.
Maybe Roy should actually play the strikers he calls up - he's had both Charlie Austin and Saido Berahino in squads this season and they've not played. Vardy got a small cameo. He continues to waste these opportunities as he doesn't want to 'Graham Taylor' Rooney when he's so close to the goals record.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 15 Jun - 23:59

The sheer dumbness from those Hodgson quotes about Clyne/Jones this evening is staggering

He must watch a different game to the whole country
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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Tue 16 Jun - 7:14

Olly wrote:The sheer dumbness  from those Hodgson quotes about Clyne/Jones this evening is staggering

He must watch a different game to the whole country
I hadn't read that, but I've just looked up some of his quotes. This stood out for me.

Hodgson: "Jones is a top-quality player. We have great faith in him and we are very happy with him. We think Nathaniel Clyne is a very good player but I would be disappointed if anyone thought that on the basis of a good season with their clubs they can walk in and demand a place."

To me, that effectively says that he picks his favorites regardless of form, even if it means shoe horning them in out of position.

Ironically, according to this article (http://gu.com/p/47epz?), Hodgson had told Clyne the position was his to lose.

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 16 Jun - 8:29

[quote="LiamB"Our attack is not as good as most teams in the world, ROONEY is our only natural goalscorer who's consistent. Sterling can't hit a barn door, Sturridge proved he can't finish at the WC, Townsend & Walcott aren't prolific & neither is Henderson or Wilshere. Welbeck needs 5 chances per goal. if you compare our goal getters to other nations, we're far down the list.

Yesterday just proved why we won't do anything next summer, defence is a shambles, like during the WC.[/quote]

Actually no you are right it's much better than most in the world considering 200 odd nations play the game.

Anyway amongst the top teams our attack is decent. It's our finishing and defence we need to work on. Our ball retention and penetration final third is moving forward. Shame about the rest.

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Post by Crimey Tue 16 Jun - 8:33

jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
Olly wrote:The sheer dumbness  from those Hodgson quotes about Clyne/Jones this evening is staggering

He must watch a different game to the whole country
I hadn't read that, but I've just looked up some of his quotes. This stood out for me.

Hodgson: "Jones is a top-quality player. We have great faith in him and we are very happy with him. We think Nathaniel Clyne is a very good player but I would be disappointed if anyone thought that on the basis of a good season with their clubs they can walk in and demand a place."

To me, that effectively says that he picks his favorites regardless of form, even if it means shoe horning them in out of position.

Ironically, according to this article (http://gu.com/p/47epz?), Hodgson had told Clyne the position was his to lose.

International managers do have to balance club form with keeping a consistent squad and first eleven. Picking purely based on club form would lead to an unfamiliar international side every time, hurt team spirit and co-ordination as well as reduce motivation to play well for England. Whilst obviously club form has to be a very big factor, experience and form for England should not be discounted or underestimated.

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Post by Stella Tue 16 Jun - 8:52

Jones is too cumbersome to be able to cope with good attacking players out wide. My concern is that Hodgson cannot see that. On the flip side, he's an internation manager, so should know more than us lot on here. Clyne must be very unimpressive during training, not to be getting a start.

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 16 Jun - 9:57

He isn't the finished article (Clyne)

But against a team that lets be honest isn't great he should have no problem and needed the experience.

He was a mugged a few times by the best last year in the PL.

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Post by Azzy Tue 16 Jun - 10:07

Crimey wrote:Whilst obviously club form has to be a very big factor, experience and form for England should not be discounted or underestimated.
I have no problem with this, except that Phil Jones has never had a good game for England. He's never performed in a white or red shirt. He's been so woefully inept that I honestly believe, hand on heart, that most of us would be better off in that team.

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Post by Crimey Tue 16 Jun - 10:08

Azzy wrote:
Crimey wrote:Whilst obviously club form has to be a very big factor, experience and form for England should not be discounted or underestimated.
I have no problem with this, except that Phil Jones has never had a good game for England. He's never performed in a white or red shirt. He's been so woefully inept that I honestly believe, hand on heart, that most of us would be better off in that team.

I agree with this though. Hodgson used an awful example, but the principle for me is important.

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Post by Guest Tue 16 Jun - 10:10

roy has made this decision because Clyne was ruined by Jonny Russell in the last 10 mins vs Scotland & was woeful vs Italy in the first half & caught out all over the place. Jones is possibly 10x worse though, so it's mind boggling what roy is seeing.

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Post by wheelchair1991 Tue 16 Jun - 11:19

I am a massive Man Utd fan but eveni have to admit Jones is pants

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Post by jbeadlesbigrighthand Tue 16 Jun - 11:29

Crimey wrote:
jbeadlesbigrighthand wrote:
Olly wrote:The sheer dumbness  from those Hodgson quotes about Clyne/Jones this evening is staggering

He must watch a different game to the whole country
I hadn't read that, but I've just looked up some of his quotes. This stood out for me.

Hodgson: "Jones is a top-quality player. We have great faith in him and we are very happy with him. We think Nathaniel Clyne is a very good player but I would be disappointed if anyone thought that on the basis of a good season with their clubs they can walk in and demand a place."

To me, that effectively says that he picks his favorites regardless of form, even if it means shoe horning them in out of position.

Ironically, according to this article (http://gu.com/p/47epz?), Hodgson had told Clyne the position was his to lose.

International managers do have to balance club form with keeping a consistent squad and first eleven. Picking purely based on club form would lead to an unfamiliar international side every time, hurt team spirit and co-ordination as well as reduce motivation to play well for England. Whilst obviously club form has to be a very big factor, experience and form for England should not be discounted or underestimated.

I appreciate the need for consistency. But if Jones isn't being picked as a centre back, why shoehorn him into right back over a form player? Does Hodgson genuinely think he might be a long-term solution there? And if you bring in the form right back in the country, why not give him a decent run in the team?

Also, how far does form for England get you? Take Andros Townsend as a prime example. He's had some good games for England, but hasn't shown that for Spurs and has been out of the team. Should he be an automatic starter simply because he played well in a one-off game a few months ago? By all means keep him in the squad for consistency's sake, but starting him over players who are actually playing football week-in week-out?

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Post by GSC Tue 16 Jun - 11:31

Phil Jones is too stupid to play at the top level. Said it before, hes a poor mans David Luiz
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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 11:52

You lot need a player like Gareth Bale in your team. That Wiltshire is ok mind

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Post by Stella Tue 16 Jun - 12:27

Steffan wrote:You lot need a player like Gareth Bale in your team. That Wiltshire is ok mind

is your right back any good?
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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 12:29

Stella wrote:
Steffan wrote:You lot need a player like Gareth Bale in your team. That Wiltshire is ok mind

is your right back any good?
Yeah. All the Wales team is good. We are not as good as England though who will probably win Euro 2016

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Post by Stella Tue 16 Jun - 12:33

Steffan wrote:
Stella wrote:
Steffan wrote:You lot need a player like Gareth Bale in your team. That Wiltshire is ok mind

is your right back any good?
Yeah. All the Wales team is good. We are not as good as England though who will probably win Euro 2016

We should win it, being the superior football nation.
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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 12:45

Stella wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Stella wrote:
Steffan wrote:You lot need a player like Gareth Bale in your team. That Wiltshire is ok mind

is your right back any good?
Yeah. All the Wales team is good. We are not as good as England though who will probably win Euro 2016

We should win it, being the superior football nation.
Yes plus being mighty world beaters as well. It would be good if Scotland, Wales and Rep of Ireland could get there as well though to witness you win it while we will all go out early

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Post by Stella Tue 16 Jun - 12:48

Seriously, it would be great if all five teams got there.
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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 12:52

Stella wrote:Seriously, it would be great if all five teams got there.
Yes. And everyone can cheer on Wales I hope (if not playing their respected country)

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 16 Jun - 13:22

You truth is we will cheer on Wales(i do anyway, and not just due to the palace players in your squad)- we have at least 2 and sometimes 3first team regs)You will never cheer on England as you will openly admit.

However there is not much chance of Ireland (especially Ireland and Scotland) getting through.

The even more (maybe)important fact for Wales is they have got in to seeding pot 1 for the World Cup qualifying . So you will have a legimate shot in getting there as well.

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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 13:29

mystiroakey wrote:You truth is we will cheer on Wales(i do anyway, and not just due to the palace players in your squad)- we have at least 2 and sometimes 3first team regs)You will never cheer on England as you will openly admit
I personally enjoy watching England lose but that's just me. Lots of Welsh people I know cheer on England in tournaments

I think if Wales did qualify for 2016 and were doing well in the Euros then some English people would cheer on Wales and others wouldn't as they don't like anyone else from the Isles stealing England thunder

I don't mind though its all sporting banter

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 16 Jun - 13:39

Steffan wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:You truth is we will cheer on Wales(i do anyway, and not just due to the palace players in your squad)- we have at least 2 and sometimes 3first team regs)You will never cheer on England as you will openly admit
I personally enjoy watching England lose but that's just me. Lots of Welsh people I know cheer on England in tournaments

I think if Wales did qualify for 2016 and were doing well in the Euros then some English people would cheer on Wales and others wouldn't as they don't like anyone else from the Isles stealing England thunder

I don't mind though its all sporting banter

leave the rivalry for the rugby field.

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Post by Steffan Tue 16 Jun - 13:40

mystiroakey wrote:
Steffan wrote:
mystiroakey wrote:You truth is we will cheer on Wales(i do anyway, and not just due to the palace players in your squad)- we have at least 2 and sometimes 3first team regs)You will never cheer on England as you will openly admit
I personally enjoy watching England lose but that's just me. Lots of Welsh people I know cheer on England in tournaments

I think if Wales did qualify for 2016 and were doing well in the Euros then some English people would cheer on Wales and others wouldn't as they don't like anyone else from the Isles stealing England thunder

I don't mind though its all sporting banter

leave the rivalry for the rugby field.
Why can't there be rivalry in football as well?

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Post by mystiroakey Tue 16 Jun - 14:34

I support your team- you are like my palace(and use my players) in the international world.

others can have the rivalry- I dont have to do i.

I hope we keep Hennessy and i hope he starts starting as our full number 1 and ledley is a legend(to me) that keeps the south London wide boys(in more ways than one!) in tact. and Williamson(palace out on loan player) has great potential.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Sun 28 Jun - 10:03

Play the women.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 28 Jun - 10:43

Atrocious quality.

San Marino would probably beat the England women.

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Post by Duty281 Mon 24 Aug - 19:12

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34044239

Hodgson is set to name an England squad, but he has delayed it to deliver some tension-driven drama...possibly.

Perhaps he has something up his sleeve? Perhaps England will stick ten past San Marino? Perhaps England will batter the Swiss? Perhaps England will win Euro 2016?

Perhaps everything will be OK!

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Post by Duty281 Sat 29 Aug - 23:34

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34095858

My lord, Hodgson does have something up his sleeve - Vardy and Shelvey!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sun 30 Aug - 0:18

As average a pair of players as he could call up.

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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Aug - 12:14

Hopefully, after these four qualifiers, Roy will be able to put out a strong team for the matches against France and Germany, and give England fans something to be excited about for the upcoming European Championships.

It is a shame, but England have stagnated in the last year.

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Post by Fernando Sun 30 Aug - 20:20

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Jack Butland (Stoke City), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

Defenders: Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones, Phil Jagielka (Both Everton).

Midfielders: Michael Carrick (Manchester United), James Milner (Liverpool), Ross Barkley (Everton), Jonjo Shelvey (Swansea), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling, Fabian Delph (Both Manchester City), Ryan Mason (Tottenham).

Forwards: Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham), Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Theo Walcott (Arsenal).

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Sun 30 Aug - 20:31

Tom Heaton ahead of John Ruddy was always a travesty and still is
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Post by Duty281 Sun 30 Aug - 21:00

What is it these days - 4-3-3?

Hart, Clyne, Stones, Cahill, Shaw, Carrick, Barkley, Milner, Walcott, Sterling, Rooney might be the line-up we see against the Swiss.

Presumably Rooney can break Charlton's scoring record against San Marino (a pitiful achievement), and Vardy might net his first goal for England along the way. #sleepwalktoparis

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sun 30 Aug - 23:26

Gibbs, Walcott, Mason all very lucky. Vardy will be gone once any striker of quality is fit. I think Shelvey is massively overrated. Would imagine Alex McCarthy will make the next squad ahead of Heaton.

I think i'd turn the TV off if Milner and Walcott were in a starting line up.

Think Puncheon, Zaha, Cresswell for Gibbs, Walcott, Mason would all be very fair and also give Hodgson a chance to look at some players in training, rather than giving spots to players who dont deserve it and he knows a bit about.

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Post by Dr Shoe Thu 3 Sep - 9:19

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34135432?utm_medium=linkedin&utm_source=twitterfeed

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Post by Duty281 Thu 3 Sep - 9:24

Dr Shoe wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34135432?utm_medium=linkedin&utm_source=twitterfeed

The rankings are awful, a source of hilarity each time. Laugh

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Post by Steffan Thu 3 Sep - 9:26

Oh dear. Little old Wales higher up than the mighty world beaters England

What are Fifa thinking?

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 3 Sep - 9:28

This is the worst England squad I've seen in my life time.

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Post by Duty281 Thu 3 Sep - 9:30

I'm intrigued as to why Belgium are the second best team in the world.

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Post by Stella Thu 3 Sep - 9:30

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:This is the worst England squad I've seen in my life time.

Coupled with an average manager.
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Post by Steffan Thu 3 Sep - 9:32

Duty281 wrote:I'm intrigued as to why Belgium are the second best team in the world.
I agree. Even we beat them. And we are crap (or "suck" as Soldier of Fortune once said)

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Post by Duty281 Thu 3 Sep - 9:33

Duty281 wrote:I mean ten years ago, SWP, Dawson, Downing, Jenas, Johnson (both Andy and Glen!), Knight, Smith, and Young were all populating the England squad. And Phillip Neville!

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/seas2000-10/2004-05/M0827USA2005PreEng.html

Worry not. England are in France next year, and that is all that matters.

What, worse than this squad?

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Post by Steffan Thu 3 Sep - 10:54

Anyway all the best for you guys this weekend

I cheer on all home nations and with us being the Number 1 ranked team in the British Isles I know you will all be cheering us on as well

Good luck chaps thumbsup

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Thu 3 Sep - 13:01

Duty281 wrote:
Duty281 wrote:I mean ten years ago, SWP, Dawson, Downing, Jenas, Johnson (both Andy and Glen!), Knight, Smith, and Young were all populating the England squad. And Phillip Neville!

http://www.englandfootballonline.com/seas2000-10/2004-05/M0827USA2005PreEng.html

Worry not. England are in France next year, and that is all that matters.

What, worse than this squad?

Yes

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