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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Mon 4 May 2015 - 3:57

First topic message reminder :

1. All the posters who hate Mayweather had the fight close or thought Manny won.....

2. If you couldn't give Manny the victory and you're a fan then it was a stinker......

3. Mayweather has just outboxed the 3rd best fighter on the planet........

4. The Filipino needs to get back onto the shakes.......

5. Shoulder injury shows him to be the classless guy I always thought he was deep down....

6. Mayweather isn't going to get credit off certain individuals no matter what he does........

7. If 606v2 radio had Manny 116-112......I'll never moan about Watt and Halling again...

8. It didn't live up to the hype.............Very few fights ever do..

9. Roach isn't the genius he thinks he is !!

10. If Floyd isn't Top 10 in most lists he must be very close !!.

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Post by Rodney on Wed 6 May 2015 - 20:40

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Excuses never wash in Boxing..............

Spinks had a bad knee against Tyson.............
Hearns broke his hand against Hagler..........
Volcanic ash cloud...........Froch v Kessler..
Duran partying before Leonard 2..........
Liston bad shoulder against Clay.............
Mayweather bad shoulder against Castillo 1

and now this.............

Only thing that matters is the result..............as history has shown..........

Added one for you.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 20:44

Well he is nearly in bother for listening to his bosses. He should just stick with Roach and get rid of Arum and Koncz.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 6 May 2015 - 20:50

I do agree that Manny should be more proactive about HIS career. Even his tax problems are largely (although probably not exclusively) a problem arisen from leaving his money matters to Top Rank, and taking them at their word when they said he does not have to double tax
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Post by milkyboy on Wed 6 May 2015 - 20:51

You'd think, 'it was just a minor niggle in camp, managed with pain killers, but badly aggravated during the fight... I felt it go in the fourth when I launched my attack blah, blah' would have ticked the 'get of jail free' box and the 'excuse for bad performance' box.

I think they've mismanaged it as much after as they have by ticking the wrong boxes before.

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Post by Rodney on Wed 6 May 2015 - 20:55

AdamT wrote:Well he is nearly in bother for listening to his bosses. He should just stick with Roach and get rid of Arum and Koncz.

Easier said than done, considering he has made a staggering amount of money and is a PPV star in a foreign country. I'd like to see them both retire and let boxing and its fans enjoy the sport, they've dragged this soap opera on for 6 years now and put in a dismal spectacle.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:00

Only Mayweather fight I want to see is Cotto. He wont fight GGG, so that's the fight I want to see.


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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:04

I'd rather see something new than a repeat of a fight that will play out no differently but be a cynical exercise in winning another world title.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:06

He'll just beat Cotto again. Only Mayweather fight I ever really wanted to see was Martinez, back when Sergio was still able to make 154. Would have been interesting to see how Floyd would disarm a guy who would spend the entire fight at range pot shotting. Fair play to him, though. Despite the fact that none of his post-2009 fights have interested me in the least, the only one I did not get up for in the vain hope that he would lose, or at least be challenged was Guerrero. PR machine of note (helps I have never paid for a Mayweather fight though, might have been a different story if he was on PPV here.)
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Post by Rodney on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:09

Retirement would be preference but if not Andrade, Lara or GGG.

No interest in the Khan fight as I expect him to deal with Khan far too easily, my money is a Danny Garcia showdown.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:11

Certainly been a big comedown after this fight.........Like coming back from your honeymoon and seeing your Mrs change from a rock star groupie to the kid from The Exorcist..

Shame really as there is any really other superfights about....

Certainly the aftermath is looking more like Wlad - Haye everyday..

Mayweather v Manny 2 certainly won't be a superfight........

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Post by milkyboy on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:15

Garcia I definitely wouldn't watch.

Khan I definitely would. If only to see if my ongoing protestations to people over the years that khan would stylistically give floyd some real problems were, after all, just the insane ramblings of an old man as everyone else believed.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:17

Thinking the same Truss. Shame really because Mayweather put on a boxing clinic which most hardcore fans knew he would do....

But since the Pacman has said he won the fight (very strange considering he threw less and landed less)....

Said he was injured (yet last week he was knocking ten bells out of a heavy bag)

The scorecards were fixed....

Bayliss screwed him......

He ran all fight which is why I couldn't throw and land (well yeh because it's boxing and your not fighting Rios who will literally stand open armed with you)

It's annoying really, I have rarely seen a plethora of excuses as long and drawn out as these since Haye lost....and he only blamed his toe....which was farcical...but only one excuse not 600.

Pacman got beat comprehensively end of story and because it was that one sided and easy he is making loads of BS up....which has lowered him in my eyes. One of my all time favourite fighters....is slowly disappearing out of my list.....needs to accept defeat and get back in the ring.

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Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:21

All we need is for Khan to drop the ball against Algieri on 29th and Kell Brook gets the call. Mayweather agrees to fight at Wembley with off the charts PPV buys, Eddie grins like Hugh Hefner just signed his mansion over to him and STRONGY dies.

BOOOOOOM!!!!!

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Post by kingraf on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:23

mobilemaster8 wrote:Thinking the same Truss. Shame really because Mayweather put on a boxing clinic which most hardcore fans knew he would do....

But since the Pacman has said he won the fight (very strange considering he threw less and landed less)....

Said he was injured (yet last week he was knocking ten bells out of a heavy bag)

The scorecards were fixed....

Bayliss  screwed him......

He ran all fight which is why I couldn't throw and land (well yeh because it's boxing and your not fighting Rios who will literally stand open armed with you)

It's annoying really, I have rarely seen a plethora of excuses as long and drawn out as these since Haye lost....and he only blamed his toe....which was farcical...but only one excuse not 600.

Pacman got beat comprehensively end of story and because it was that one sided and easy he is making loads of BS up....which has lowered him in my eyes. One of my all time favourite fighters....is slowly disappearing out of my list.....needs to accept defeat and get back in the ring.

You do realize that he cant actually do that? There is the small matter of a shoulder op. He needs to retire. Nothing left to prove
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Post by 88Chris05 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:26

DAVE667 wrote:Kell Brook gets the call. Mayweather agrees to fight at Wembley

In front of precisely 81,000 fans just to annoy Froch.
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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:27

I would love to see GGG vs Froch. That is a fight that I would gladly pay money to see. It is never going to happen but I would love to see it.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:29

kingraf wrote:
mobilemaster8 wrote:Thinking the same Truss. Shame really because Mayweather put on a boxing clinic which most hardcore fans knew he would do....

But since the Pacman has said he won the fight (very strange considering he threw less and landed less)....

Said he was injured (yet last week he was knocking ten bells out of a heavy bag)

The scorecards were fixed....

Bayliss  screwed him......

He ran all fight which is why I couldn't throw and land (well yeh because it's boxing and your not fighting Rios who will literally stand open armed with you)

It's annoying really, I have rarely seen a plethora of excuses as long and drawn out as these since Haye lost....and he only blamed his toe....which was farcical...but only one excuse not 600.

Pacman got beat comprehensively end of story and because it was that one sided and easy he is making loads of BS up....which has lowered him in my eyes. One of my all time favourite fighters....is slowly disappearing out of my list.....needs to accept defeat and get back in the ring.

You do realize that he cant actually do that? There is the small matter of a shoulder op. He needs to retire. Nothing left to prove

He might want to prove he belongs above Mayweather..

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:30

He knows he doesn't Truss, he just wants another pay day.

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Post by kingraf on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:33

[quote="TRUSSMAN66"]
kingraf wrote:
mobilemaster8 wrote:Thinking the same Truss. Shame really because Mayweather put on a boxing clinic which most hardcore fans knew he would do....

But since the Pacman has said he won the fight (very strange considering he threw less and landed less)....

Said he was injured (yet last week he was knocking ten bells out of a heavy bag)

The scorecards were fixed....

Bayliss  screwed him......

He ran all fight which is why I couldn't throw and land (well yeh because it's boxing and your not fighting Rios who will literally stand open armed with you)

It's annoying really, I have rarely seen a plethora of excuses as long and drawn out as these since Haye lost....and he only blamed his toe....which was farcical...but only one excuse not 600.

Pacman got beat comprehensively end of story and because it was that one sided and easy he is making loads of BS up....which has lowered him in my eyes. One of my all time favourite fighters....is slowly disappearing out of my list.....needs to accept defeat and get back in the ring.

You do realize that he cant actually do that? There is the small matter of a shoulder op. He needs to retire. Nothing left to prove

Realistically though, someone on his team then needs to sit him down and say, look Manny that was your best chance. You cannot come back from a year out and expect to beat him. Maybe you were injured... but that night was still the best chance realistically possible.

At which point one of his many hanger ons probably remember that the mortgage is due, and they have no actual real world skills.
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Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:34

88Chris05 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:Kell Brook gets the call. Mayweather agrees to fight at Wembley

In front of precisely 81,000 fans just to annoy Froch.
With Rachel carrying his belt across he chest which she drops to reveal her bare breasts and the slogan "I love DAVE667" tattooed on them.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:34

You honestly think someone from his team eyeing up a percentage of a huge multi million purse is going to tell him that..

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Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:43

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You honestly think someone from his team eyeing up a percentage of a huge multi million purse is going to tell him that..
Yeah, Froch should swallow his pride and allow Rachel to get that tattoo....oh, you mean the other thing!!!!!!

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Post by kingraf on Wed 6 May 2015 - 21:47

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You honestly think someone from his team eyeing up a percentage of a huge multi million purse is going to tell him that..


Probably not.
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Post by TopHat24/7 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:22

AdamT wrote:Only Mayweather fight I want to see is Cotto. He wont fight GGG, so that's the fight I want to see.


Why?

Why is the only fight you're interested in seeing Floyd in, a non-competitive one against a guy he's already beaten and both then and now will be at a weight away from that fighter's prime?

The only possible reason is if it allows Floyd to pick up a meaningless 160 trinket (which he will never defend).

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:23

How is it non competitve?

Tell me what is a competitve fight then?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:31

Conclusion 11.

AdamT only ever talks about Floyd Mayweather.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:32

funny I was on another thread talking about fights I would like to see never mentioned Floyd.

Guess I dropped the ball there hammer.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:38

This thread has been going on for 3 pages too long....

I have my concerns on Adam T's obsession  with Floyd.

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Post by AdamT on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:40

I think Liverpool will win the league next year

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Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:40

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:This thread has been going on for 5 years too long.....

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Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 23:42

AdamT wrote:I think Liverpool will win the league next year


I like you Adam but you're an idiot!!! I'd love to see it but, like me sleeping with Carl Froch's wife, a lot of money is going to have to be spent to make that dream a reality and the funds are just not available.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:07

DAVE667 wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:This thread has been going on for 5 years too long.....

Wrong If we can keep Dave types on here..............The rest of us can get on with the serious stuff elsewhere....

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:22

AdamT wrote:How is it non competitve?

Tell me what is a competitve fight then?

How is it COMPETITIVE??!!

Scores last time, whilst too wide IMO, were totally comprehensive handing Floyd almost all the rounds. What's changed? Cotto hasn't got any better and Floyd won't fight him at 160 (hell, even Cotto doesn't seem keen on fighting at full 160) so where is the competitivity??!

Pure fanboy-madness.

Not really any interesting fights out there for Floyd, just fillers (like most of the last 5 or so years of his career).

GGG is the obvious one at 160 (and has previoulsy mooted 154 though, funnily enough, no interest from Floyd) then at 154 I suppose you've got Lara which would be vaguely interesting (talented boxer who Floyd doesn't have reach advantages over for once).

At 147 you've Thurman and a proper JMM, though I think Floyd would eat both alive still.


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Post by milkyboy on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:23

DAVE667 wrote:
AdamT wrote:I think Liverpool will win the league next year


I like you Adam but you're an idiot!!! I'd love to see it but, like me sleeping with Carl Froch's wife, a lot of money is going to have to be spent to make that dream a reality and the funds are just not available.

Dave, maybe you should just drop your fee once and give the girl a freebie

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Post by Guest on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:25

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:This thread has been going on for 5 years too long.....

Wrong If we can keep Dave types on here..............The rest of us can get on with the serious stuff elsewhere....
Yup you and the rest of the weightlifting forum can continue to groom one another whilst the rest of us laugh ourselves silly at you

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Post by Hammersmith harrier on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:25

You say that Toppy as if Mayweather should have an interest in facing Golovkin when lets be honest he's gone as far through the weights as we can expect him to.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:25

Yeah Dave, give the poor woman a break. A free go once in a while wouldn't hurt you!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:27

Not suggesting I hope that Froch's wife fell in love with Froch's money.....If you are you should be ashamed !!!!!!!

Most Women are romantic...... They fall for..............Four time world champion.... international superstar types that sell out Wembley stadium..

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Post by AdamT on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:28

Has Froch ever mentioned selling out Wembley?

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Post by Guest on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:28

AdamT wrote:Yeah Dave, give the poor woman a break. A free go once in a while wouldn't hurt you!
It would if she agreed to try even half the suggestions on the list I've written/emailed to her!

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:29

Hammersmith harrier wrote:You say that Toppy as if Mayweather should have an interest in facing Golovkin when lets be honest he's gone as far through the weights as we can expect him to.

The question wasn't whether Floyd should have an interest in fighting someone, just what fight is there out there that could happen and would be competitive.

I have nothing against him not going to 160. Unless of course he takes the p!ss like he did with 154, i.e. quite happy to dip his toe on his terms but never truly 'belong' to that division (i.e. Cotto at 160 is a joke fight, but I'd not hold it against Floyd if he never went to 160 [for GGG or anyone else]).

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:30

Certainly don't want GGG being forced to come in a pound or two under the 160 limit like Alvarez at 154..........

Changed the whole outcome of the fight and an Alvarez masterclass...

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Post by Guest on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:31

AdamT wrote:Has Froch ever mentioned selling out Wembley?
When did this happen? Surely someone would have said something before now. You wouldn't let something like that pass by without wanting people to know. That's what I dislike most* about Foch, constantly hiding his light under a bushel.

* It isn't at all, it's definitely to do with his missus.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:32

DAVE667 wrote:
AdamT wrote:Has Froch ever mentioned selling out Wembley?
When did this happen? Surely someone would have said something before now. You wouldn't let something like that pass by without wanting people to know. That's what I dislike most* about Foch, constantly hiding his light under a bushel.

* It isn't at all, it's definitely to do with his missus.

He should be less humble and share his Missus

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Post by Guest on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:35

TopHat24/7 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:You say that Toppy as if Mayweather should have an interest in facing Golovkin when lets be honest he's gone as far through the weights as we can expect him to.

The question wasn't whether Floyd should have an interest in fighting someone, just what fight is there out there that could happen and would be competitive.

I have nothing against him not going to 160. Unless of course he takes the p!ss like he did with 154, i.e. quite happy to dip his toe on his terms but never truly 'belong' to that division (i.e. Cotto at 160 is a joke fight, but I'd not hold it against Floyd if he never went to 160 [for GGG or anyone else]).
Neither would I but only if he shut the f*ck up about being better than Robinson. For him to be considered better than Robinson he'd need to face Golovkin in the way Robinson faced Maxim. Don't actually give a sh!t if he wins or loses but Robinson at least moved out of his comfort zone. Also sick to the back f*cking teeth of this 49-0 sh!t. Chavez went nearly 100 fights before he was beaten...people in the press seem to think Marciano's record is the definitive one. Put it in context, at one stage, Brian Nielsen was also 48-0.

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Post by TopHat24/7 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:36

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Certainly don't want GGG being forced to come in a pound or two under the 160 limit like Alvarez at 154..........

Changed the whole outcome of the fight and an Alvarez masterclass...

That was your entire argument when Manny whooped Cotto, was it not??

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Post by Guest on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:39

AdamT wrote:
DAVE667 wrote:
AdamT wrote:Has Froch ever mentioned selling out Wembley?
When did this happen? Surely someone would have said something before now. You wouldn't let something like that pass by without wanting people to know. That's what I dislike most* about Foch, constantly hiding his light under a bushel.

* It isn't at all, it's definitely to do with his missus.

He should be less humble and share his Missus
But only with me, besides you lot wouldn't like the shell-shocked and obliterated remains of what would be left.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Thu 7 May 2015 - 0:39

TopHat24/7 wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Certainly don't want GGG being forced to come in a pound or two under the 160 limit like Alvarez at 154..........

Changed the whole outcome of the fight and an Alvarez masterclass...

That was your entire argument when Manny whooped Cotto, was it not??

special.

Yeah I remember it well.......... Cool

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Post by Dylan1979 on Wed 15 Mar 2017 - 9:55

Food for thought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBQkvKhsv0g

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Wed 15 Mar 2017 - 10:02

Haha

He certainly wasn't a closed book

Or the greatest actor of all time

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