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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 05 May 2015, 7:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

Can someone point me in the direction of the tv viewing schedule for the last day of the regular Pro12 fixtures.

Thanks


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Post by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 6:40 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:

Not touched one, but been jumping up and down on them non stop.  But that is who you are.  Keeping a lid on your passion seems a waste, passion is a vital part of being human.

Let's face it mate, you know you are holier than thou quite often, the same as I know I'm a anglers wet dream (bite more often than not).

There you go.  Yet it's only you who do the 'kumquat', 'bumhole', 'arrogant' bull whilst the nerve hitter debates the arguments. You simply don't want to hear arguments that disagrees with your own.  Your personality goes into fury meltdown when someone disagrees with the Welsh viewpoint.  And of course when you don't like the argument, you go to 'bumholes' and 'kumquats' and throw in the 'bully' crap......

But the road is yours Wink Carry on down it.  Evade the argument.

In fairness Fly, that sounds like you too. Albeit, you're a more Russell Brand-esque character (in my head). But as soon as I see a comment, a line dangled, a popcorn emoticon entered, I think 'where's Fly?!' He'll be along in a minute to right the wrong and regain the Internet for his people. You're not alone, mind. Lots of us about.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 6:44 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 12 May 2015, 6:46 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Yes, but you have not purchased sky sports just for them, your target has already been hit, having the Pro12 as well is a nice little bonus for you. Now think how many people in Wales have had to buy Sky Sports to be able to watch more Pro12, I bet their Welsh customers went up quite a bit after they had the rights to show Pro12 games.

They all bought it to watch Swansea in the Prem!

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 12 May 2015, 6:47 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
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No 7&1/2 wrote:How can I back it up? Its just an acknowledgement Munster etc are the bigger name. They certainly arent subsidised by the Welsh. This started as a pointer to Chunks who was peeved at the numerous channelsz nd the Wru not getting a good enough deal to him now saying hes fine with the tv and the deal subsidises ther est of the sides making out the Welsh are the draw for those that arent: they re not.

Much the same as you are doing with your outlandish claim it is the provinces that are the draw (and your fellow Kumquat men backing that the other 'no us, no sky' comments).  The Irish are not the only draw for Sky, you can claim it all you want.  But there is no factual grounds for it, other than delusion and arrogance.

Arrogance about what? I appreciate you will want to watch Scarlets but to the neutral Leinster are more of a draw.

What neutrals ?

There is a reason why BBC Wales/S4C pay more money than any other non PPV channels, it's because more people in Wales watch rugby on the tele compared to other countries, sky have not purchased the rights for the Pro12 to show it to England, they have bought it for the people who already watch it to pay up to keep watching it, and with the hope that they would have extras from another country watching it, so seeing as the most veiwers for the SKY audience will more than likely come from Wales, then I would say the Welsh Public are the main draw for SKY, not Leinster, Munster or Connacht.

Neutrals like anyone from England with Sky or anyone not supporting 1 of the 2 teams involved in the game.


So you would by SKY Sports just to watch Leinster and Munster would you ?
No but Id watch their games as I have sky.

By the same token  wouldn't you watch Edinburgh V Dragons too, seeing as you have Sky?

I may do at a big push, not likely though.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 6:48 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Yes, but you have not purchased sky sports just for them, your target has already been hit, having the Pro12 as well is a nice little bonus for you. Now think how many people in Wales have had to buy Sky Sports to be able to watch more Pro12, I bet their Welsh customers went up quite a bit after they had the rights to show Pro12 games.

Do SKY leaflets come through my letter box everyday?  Yes - by the bucket load!  And they fall out of damned Sunday Newspapers.  And on a 'soft Irish day', it even maybe rains them.  SKY - I'm blinded by the bastards everywhere I look.

Now do you not think that if Irish fans allegedly are the best attenders of actual games (in cold wet winter weather and all that) that another sizeable batch of them would not want to connect to SKY to watch in more comfort?  After all, the Provinces are more spread out than the Welsh Regions, and however difficult the Welsh lads think it is trying to get to a game and home again on public transport, try doing it on an Irish scale with only four bases and true North, South, East and West mileage to get through where no public transport ever goes!!!

So do you not think that the ever growing audience for rugby in Ireland wouldn't settle for home comforts SKY and buy up those damn packages that keep coming through my letterbox too?

Your argument is based on traditional assumptions and wishing - it would need official SKY number to prove it.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 6:56 pm

SF, there are thousands of people around Wales who believe it or not go to watch other teams rather than the regions, they will watch the regions though, and guess where they will watch them ? Yep you've guessed it, on tele, you might have the bums on seats supporters, but we have the armchair supporters.

Also the proof is in the fact, for me, that is the reason why BBC Wales/S4C, pay a lot more for the rights than any other nation, because the demand is higher in Wales.


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 12 May 2015, 6:59 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:Fly, if you remember I had enough of dealing with the bullies on here with the kiddy gloves of being a mod, that is why I stepped down so I could deal with them on their own pathetic level, pack mentality of grouping up on a lone poster (Chunky) and then getting uppity when it is fired back at them.

I shall indeed carry on, and I am sure you will too.  Lets see who back down first.

oh and carry on.....

Scarlets, as admirable as your new "fighting for the underdog" persona is, Chunky would be much easier to engage with if he dropped the condescending attitude and stopped trying to get a reaction from other posters. He has been showing up routinely on the Ulster threads to call us thugs, and throw in as many sly digs as possible. LordDowlais is another culprit, but a lot less subtle for obvious reasons. If you think that is acceptable, that is fine, but maybe you can see why Chunky gets the criticism he does. He isn't exactly innocent. He actually makes some good points and is clearly an intelligent guy, but he also knows that he is trying to get a reaction from people. Which is why people do react, obviously..

You may see this as more hypocrisy from the irish (yawn) but it is very clear you (and a few others) have an extremely large chip on your shoulder over the "holier than thou irish" on here, but to be perfectly honest that ship should have sailed long ago. Now it is just extremely immature. Okay, some irish posters have been patronising towards some welsh posters in the past and vice versa. Some irish fans called Liam Williams a thug, what, a year ago? Maybe it is time to move along, drop the victim mentality and, using your words from earlier, engage in "logical and reasonable" discussion.

It works both ways my friend. Time to grow up perhaps, and for everyone to stop flinging mud at each other. OK

Im amazed by how many posters are suddenly top rate psychiatrists, glad to see how I have a new persona.  Again thank you for the diagnosis.

Let's face it, there has been a rift growing between the Welsh and Irish posters on here for a long time.  Neither side are innocent, and both are justified in their points of view.  And sadly, both sides have their share of very loud voices.  But for there to be peace both sides need to admit the other is not the devil incarnate.  And with the sniping, cheap shots, and false voice of reason stuff, it's never going to change.

I just notice that you are just a very different poster now than from your moderating days (which you have said yourself) which is fine, maybe you feel you can be yourself more without the moderator tag.

Fair enough, but are the cheap shots going to improve anything? Also, I don't agree with that. I don't think there is a rift, maybe there is between a few posters (though a lot of those posters have problems with many nations/posters and not just the irish/welsh, it has to be said) but I don't think that is the case for everyone. If there is a rift, then it isn't exactly a big deal, and should be relatively easy to fix. Like I said, if the constant mud slinging is stopped, that might actually help.

For the record, I have been a complete knob to certain welsh posters on here over the years, but I would like to think I get on with a lot of them much better now than before. It isn't difficult to sort out. It is an online forum, for goodness sake.

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Post by VinceWLB Tue 12 May 2015, 7:04 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, lets see what happen when the TMO is called uppon, then you can complain accordingly. But it' not really fair to him to not be allowed to do his job just because he happen to be the uncle of a former player.


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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 7:04 pm

Griff wrote:

In fairness Fly, that sounds like you too. Albeit, you're a more Russell Brand-esque character (in my head). But as soon as I see a comment, a line dangled, a popcorn emoticon entered, I think 'where's Fly?!' He'll be along in a minute to right the wrong and regain the Internet for his people. You're not alone, mind. Lots of us about.

I don't disintegrate into "Bumholes!" though.   I may bore the socks off people (and myself) with argument and eternal counter argument - but I don't disintegrate into personal insults when I'm losing a battle - I just logitise my way out of one.  Cool  

Griff - be serious here - some people here are ruthlessly and stringently humourless and fail to see the merit in being otherwise; being otherwise is to let down the studious environment of this place with it's 'Best Of' Lists,Teamsheets and Reffing Analysis.
Others, and I'll include Chunky, DOD, Sin and Lord, have a sense of wry humour that can allow them to enjoy themselves more?  Yes, always ready to be assertive and pedantic (like moi!) but with a crooked smile ready to break a little when tickled?

You admit we have those two kinds of characters here in 606?  All I say is I enjoy the latter a huge amount.  I get a real kick out of abrasive opinionated posters.  They're what keep the place alive.    I personally have little time for the former.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 7:04 pm

If I did not feel I was being patronised by some of the Irish posters on here I would be less bullish with my points of view, but I will not accept it when "certain" Irish members try and act ad if they are the fonts of all knowledge when it comes to rugby, this whole we do not boo the kickers rubbish, and we always respect the referee nonsense and our players are complete gentlemen crap, none of us are perfect, we all moan about referees, none of our players are perfect, yet most Irish members on here would argue the fact that they are.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:07 pm

Rory, it is only an online forum, and far from the real world. In the real world things get sorted out over a pint, with a joke, or with a thump on the chin (not being aggressive) and everyone either hugs and gets on, or move on elsewhere. But it being an online forum means these cant be done.

Who knows maybe one or two bad calls from a ref at the RWC and we will all find something new to get up tight about.
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 7:08 pm

VinceWLB wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, lets see what happen when the TMO is called uppon, then you can complain accordingly. But it' not really fair to him to not be allowed to do his job just because he happen to be the uncle of a former player.


Nobody said he cannot have a job as a TMO, but let him be one in a different game, I dunno, A game where his province is not affected by the outcome of his game. I have said this before, we need to get rid of the potential bias in our league if we are to move forward with it.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:09 pm

VinceWLB wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, lets see what happen when the TMO is called uppon, then you can complain accordingly. But it' not really fair to him to not be allowed to do his job just because he happen to be the uncle of a former player.

True, but if you point it out first then if/when there is an incident and you mention it, the 'sour grapes' argument is somewhat defused.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 12 May 2015, 7:09 pm

LordDowlais wrote:If I did not feel I was being patronised by some of the Irish posters on here I would be less bullish with my points of view, but I will not accept it when "certain" Irish members try and act ad if they are the fonts of all knowledge when it comes to rugby, this whole we do not boo the kickers rubbish, and we always respect the referee nonsense and our players are complete gentlemen crap, none of us are perfect, we all moan about referees, none of our players are perfect, yet most Irish members on here would argue the fact that they are.

Oh my goodness, has anyone actually said any of that stuff in the last year? Get over it, LD.

Maybe then you might be taken a bit more seriously by people. It isn't just the irish, by the way, who do not take you seriously. That should tell you something, but I doubt it will.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 7:10 pm

LordDowlais wrote:SF, there are thousands of people around Wales who believe it or not go to watch other teams rather than the regions, they will watch the regions though, and guess where they will watch them ? Yep you've guessed it, on tele, you might have the bums on seats supporters, but we have the armchair supporters.

Also the proof is in the fact, for me, that is the reason why BBC Wales/S4C, pay a lot more for the rights than any other nation, because the demand is higher in Wales.

SKY is doing the buying for Ireland!  That's their bulk buy, just like Regions are BBC WALES bulk buy - that's already been virtually proven by an earlier thread of the games SKY choose to cover - and they have first SAY.  So that's SKy and TG4 taking care of mostly the Irish Interest dimension.  Mostly Irish fans that want to watch Irish sides (whether they play Irish sides or not) have to watch SKY.  Welsh Regional fans don't.... BBC Wales takes care of most of their needs.
SKY is the Irish section.  

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Post by Pot Hale Tue 12 May 2015, 7:11 pm

Errr.....So anyway back to some figures to add some light and shade to the debate.

Sky had 30 games under its contract.

22 of them featured Irish teams
17 of them featured Welsh teams
11 of them featured Scottish teams
Very few featured Italian teams.

Home/Away Games
Glasgow had 5/4 - 9
Leinster had 4/5 - 9
Munster had 3/5  -8
Scarlets had 5/3 - 8
Ospreys 3/4 - 7
Ulster 2/5 - 7
Connacht 2/1 - 3
Edinburgh 1/2 - 3
Blues 2/0 - 2
Dragons 1/1 - 2
Zebre 1/0 - 1
Treviso 1/0 - 1


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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:12 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Griff wrote:

In fairness Fly, that sounds like you too. Albeit, you're a more Russell Brand-esque character (in my head). But as soon as I see a comment, a line dangled, a popcorn emoticon entered, I think 'where's Fly?!' He'll be along in a minute to right the wrong and regain the Internet for his people. You're not alone, mind. Lots of us about.

I don't disintegrate into "Bumholes!" though.   I may bore the socks off people (and myself) with argument and eternal counter argument - but I don't disintegrate into personal insults when I'm losing a battle - I just logitise my way out of one.  Cool  

Griff - be serious here - some people here are ruthlessly and stringently humourless and fail to see the merit in being otherwise; being otherwise is to let down the studious environment of this place with it's 'Best Of' Lists,Teamsheets and Reffing Analysis.
Others, and I'll include Chunky, DOD, Sin and Lord, have a sense of wry humour that can allow them to enjoy themselves more?  Yes, always ready to be assertive and pedantic (like moi!) but with a crooked smile ready to break a little when tickled?

You admit we have those two kinds of characters here in 606?  All I say is I enjoy the latter a huge amount.  I get a real kick out of abrasive opinionated posters.  They're what keep the place alive.    I personally have little time for the former.

So that translates to you enjoy being a wind up merchant?
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Post by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 7:13 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Munchkin, I very much doubt Sky purchased the rights for the Pro12 to sell Leinster and Munster games to the English. Also, you are now going to tell me that rugby is more popular than hurling, Gaelic football and normal football in Ireland ? Because I think you would be telling me porkies.

I would think SKY bought the rights to sell the Pro12 to any public. As far as attractions go I would also think the likes of Munster and Leinster would have to be right up there. They did win the HEC a few times between them... There's also the fact that games with the Provinces involved tend to be better attended. That matters. The hope with SKY on board is that the Pro12 will reach a wider audience and so it's about more than how many Welsh, or how many Irish happen to watch.
True that rugby is behind Gaelic and soccer, but the Irish public are sports mad and won't be confined to following one or the other. Not in terms of watching on TV.

Never mind all that. The reason I said you aren't going to win your argument is because it's something you can't back up with facts. Personally I think you're talking rubbish, but I can't prove it with facts. Not until the viewing figures come out.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:14 pm

Pot Hale wrote:So anyway back to some figures to add some light and shade to the debate.

Sky had 30 games under its contract.

22 of them featured Irish teams
17 of them featured Welsh teams
11 of them featured Scottish teams
Very few featured Italian teams.

Home/Away Games
Glasgow had 5/4 - 9
Leinster had 4/5 - 9
Munster had 3/5  -8
Scarlets had 5/3 - 8
Ospreys 3/4 - 7
Ulster 2/5 - 7
Connacht 2/1 - 3
Edinburgh 1/2 - 3
Blues 2/0 - 2
Dragons 1/1 - 2
Zebre 1/0 - 1
Treviso 1/0 - 1


So Sky broadcast pretty evenly then. Thanks for digging those numbers up.
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 7:15 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:If I did not feel I was being patronised by some of the Irish posters on here I would be less bullish with my points of view, but I will not accept it when "certain" Irish members try and act ad if they are the fonts of all knowledge when it comes to rugby, this whole we do not boo the kickers rubbish, and we always respect the referee nonsense and our players are complete gentlemen crap, none of us are perfect, we all moan about referees, none of our players are perfect, yet most Irish members on here would argue the fact that they are.

Oh my goodness, has anyone actually said any of that stuff in the last year? Get over it, LD.

Maybe then you might be taken a bit more seriously by people. It isn't just the irish, by the way, who do not take you seriously. That should tell you something, but I doubt it will.


Yes they did actually they said it when we were debating the failings of the Pro12. Funnily enough, most of the Irish blamed everybody and completely abolished themselves of any responsibility, and this was in the last week, not the last year.

Oh and we won't mention the Wayne Barnes thread shall we ?

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Post by Pot Hale Tue 12 May 2015, 7:20 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:So anyway back to some figures to add some light and shade to the debate.

Sky had 30 games under its contract.

22 of them featured Irish teams
17 of them featured Welsh teams
11 of them featured Scottish teams
Very few featured Italian teams.

Home/Away Games
Glasgow had 5/4 - 9
Leinster had 4/5 - 9
Munster had 3/5  -8
Scarlets had 5/3 - 8
Ospreys 3/4 - 7
Ulster 2/5 - 7
Connacht 2/1 - 3
Edinburgh 1/2 - 3
Blues 2/0 - 2
Dragons 1/1 - 2
Zebre 1/0 - 1
Treviso 1/0 - 1


So Sky broadcast pretty evenly then.  Thanks for digging those numbers up.

I didn't offer any analysis.   Between the four Welsh regions they featured in 19 games.   Between the four Irish provinces they featured in 27 games.   (Some of them were derbies).   Scotland teams featured in 12 matches.

Irish provinces 22/30 - 73%
Welsh regions - 17/30 - 57%
Scottish regions - 11/30 - 37%


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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 12 May 2015, 7:22 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:If I did not feel I was being patronised by some of the Irish posters on here I would be less bullish with my points of view, but I will not accept it when "certain" Irish members try and act ad if they are the fonts of all knowledge when it comes to rugby, this whole we do not boo the kickers rubbish, and we always respect the referee nonsense and our players are complete gentlemen crap, none of us are perfect, we all moan about referees, none of our players are perfect, yet most Irish members on here would argue the fact that they are.

Oh my goodness, has anyone actually said any of that stuff in the last year? Get over it, LD.

Maybe then you might be taken a bit more seriously by people. It isn't just the irish, by the way, who do not take you seriously. That should tell you something, but I doubt it will.


Yes they did actually they said it when we were debating the failings of the Pro12. Funnily enough, most of the Irish blamed everybody and completely abolished themselves of any responsibility, and this was in the last week, not the last year.

Oh and we won't mention the Wayne Barnes thread shall we ?

It is all in your head mate. Move on.

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Post by VinceWLB Tue 12 May 2015, 7:22 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

Nobody said he cannot have a job as a TMO, but let him be one in a different game, I dunno, A game where his province is not affected by the outcome of his game. I have said this before, we need to get rid of the potential bias in our league if we are to move forward with it.

It's clearly the league intention to save money by using TJ and TMO from the home country. I would like it to have 100% neutral refs but this isn't realistic yet.

It will be hard to get rid of potential bias if we go into refs personal lives, who know maybe Mitrea is an O's fan!

Spider, no Connacht fan will accuse you of sour grapes as there aren't many on here! (maybe 1 i think)

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 7:26 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:If I did not feel I was being patronised by some of the Irish posters on here I would be less bullish with my points of view, but I will not accept it when "certain" Irish members try and act ad if they are the fonts of all knowledge when it comes to rugby, this whole we do not boo the kickers rubbish, and we always respect the referee nonsense and our players are complete gentlemen crap, none of us are perfect, we all moan about referees, none of our players are perfect, yet most Irish members on here would argue the fact that they are.

Oh my goodness, has anyone actually said any of that stuff in the last year? Get over it, LD.

Maybe then you might be taken a bit more seriously by people. It isn't just the irish, by the way, who do not take you seriously. That should tell you something, but I doubt it will.


Yes they did actually they said it when we were debating the failings of the Pro12. Funnily enough, most of the Irish blamed everybody and completely abolished themselves of any responsibility, and this was in the last week, not the last year.

Oh and we won't mention the Wayne Barnes thread shall we ?

It is all in your head mate. Move on.


Well I read it on here, it is still on here if you want look at it yourself. OK

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:27 pm

Pot- Being cheeky here, but do you have the fixtures?  

Fair play, the Irish were involved in most of the games (All bar 8).  I'm shocked by that, still doesn't prove sky bought the rights for the Munster/Leinster games as claimed, but it does show the 6 RCC sides did all get shown pretty evenly.


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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 7:28 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:

So that translates to you enjoy being a wind up merchant?

No Scarlet.

But if you can't understand what I truly mean, then read it as you want to read it.  You'll be wrong - but if you find it so hard to understand the concept that reading and writing these posts on these threads on this site is 'Entertainment' - not knowledge, not insight, not learning, not study - but Entertainment - then you have this place all wrong, in my opinion.

Sin writes to entertain himself.  So does Lord.  So do I.  No apologies.  It's debate - a form of entertainment.  Sword fighting with words.

If you want to be offended every second of every line of every post from every poster then that's your personality at work.  It isn't mine.  I enjoy Chunky.  I hit him hard and he hits back hard at me and others... but it's enjoyment.  I'm not a masochist.  I don't come here to be offended or to personally offend.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:32 pm

Carry on.....
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Post by Pot Hale Tue 12 May 2015, 7:35 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Pot- Being cheeky here, but do you have the fixtures?  

Fair play, the Irish were involved in most of the games (all bar 3?).  I'm shocked by that, still doesn't prove sky bought the rights for the Munster/Leinster games as claimed, but it does show the 6 RCC sides did all get shown pretty evenly.

Scarletspiderman - I do have the fixtures, but not electronically - sorry.   I can maybe do them later on.  All bar 3 is not accurate - perhaps my wording led you astray.   They were involved in 22 of the 30 matches (73%).   Some of them were derbies (5 in all), hence the higher number of 27 appearances by Irish teams.

I completely agree with your ERCC comparison.  There's a direct correlation between the two - understandable since the first half of the season (16 matches was based on guesswork and previous form, and the second half selected on current league performance, I would wager.

It's not a great surprise that Sky follow the Irish provinces more - for the simple reason that the other Irish FTA broadcasters involved - BBCNI and Tg4 have far less resources and bid for less.   BBCW bid gives them far more bargaining power on the remaining games.   And the WRU benefited proportionately from that TV income too - so a good result all round for the WRU in my view - (i.e. 33% of the Sky money plus 70% of the FTA money - WRU come out best)


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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 7:35 pm

Ask a question and you'll get an answer Wink

Onward we go.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 12 May 2015, 7:36 pm

SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:

So that translates to you enjoy being a wind up merchant?

No Scarlet.

But if you can't understand what I truly mean, then read it as you want to read it.  You'll be wrong - but if you find it so hard to understand the concept that reading and writing these posts on these threads on this site is 'Entertainment' - not knowledge, not insight, not learning, not study - but Entertainment - then you have this place all wrong, in my opinion.

Sin writes to entertain himself.  So does Lord.  So do I.  No apologies.  It's debate - a form of entertainment.  Sword fighting with words.

If you want to be offended every second of every line of every post from every poster then that's your personality at work.  It isn't mine.  I enjoy Chunky.  I hit him hard and he hits back hard at me and others... but it's enjoyment.  I'm not a masochist.  I don't come here to be offended or to personally offend.

Sometimes I let my passion for rugby boil over on here, yes I do get entertained when I feel I am fighting for a just cause, but one thing I do not do, and nobody can accuse me of it, is insult anybody, not once do I let myself stoop to that level no matter how passionate I get.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:40 pm

Pot, I'll take your word for it. To be honest I didn't expect the Irish to be so prominent in Sky, but the per team breakdown makes sense. Will probably be similar next season too.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 7:40 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

Sometimes I let my passion for rugby boil over on here, yes I do get entertained when I feel I am fighting for a just cause, but one thing I do not do, and nobody can accuse me of it, is insult anybody, not once do I let myself stoop to that level no matter how passionate I get.

And I'd never accuse you of it, Lord.  You're sparky company at times when all our passions are up! - but like I've said, that's oxygen to this place and you're the kinda guy I like doing the Errol Flynn biz with Wink

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 12 May 2015, 7:43 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
ScarletSpiderman wrote:

So that translates to you enjoy being a wind up merchant?

No Scarlet.

But if you can't understand what I truly mean, then read it as you want to read it.  You'll be wrong - but if you find it so hard to understand the concept that reading and writing these posts on these threads on this site is 'Entertainment' - not knowledge, not insight, not learning, not study - but Entertainment - then you have this place all wrong, in my opinion.

Sin writes to entertain himself.  So does Lord.  So do I.  No apologies.  It's debate - a form of entertainment.  Sword fighting with words.

If you want to be offended every second of every line of every post from every poster then that's your personality at work.  It isn't mine.  I enjoy Chunky.  I hit him hard and he hits back hard at me and others... but it's enjoyment.  I'm not a masochist.  I don't come here to be offended or to personally offend.

Sometimes I let my passion for rugby boil over on here, yes I do get entertained when I feel I am fighting for a just cause, but one thing I do not do, and nobody can accuse me of it, is insult anybody, not once do I let myself stoop to that level no matter how passionate I get.

That is such nonsense, you insulted the entire Ulster fan base on one of your more memorable rants. Laugh

If you are a genuine parody, you are very, very good.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 7:48 pm

Insults are funny, some people take specific words as insults (get upset by foul language etc) others take the tone their talked to in as an insult.
Like you said Rory, it's an online forum, and both these can get warped by putting them down in text form.
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Tue 12 May 2015, 8:02 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:Insults are funny, some people take specific words as insults (get upset by foul language etc) others take the tone their talked to in as an insult.
Like you said Rory, it's an online forum, and both these can get warped by putting them down in text form.

I don't take things personally, I am just laughing at his ridiculous statement, the man is bonkers. He basically said the Ulster fans are "thuggish" and there is a bad, uncomfortable atmosphere at Ravenhill. Of course he can share his experiences and feelings, but to call an entire fan base thugs is what I would call the very definition of an insult. It is his right of course, but like I said I just find it very funny that he claims to never "stoop so low".

If you can't see the irony in a poster who moans so much about the hypocritical "holier than thou irish", then claiming he doesn't stoop down to the level of personal insults, when quite clearly he does.. well I don't know what to say really. Laugh

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Post by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 8:23 pm

Aye, and then we're being compared to a pack of woo...ahem...sorry...a pack of wooo...nope. Try again...a pack of wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 8:26 pm

VinceWLB wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, lets see what happen when the TMO is called uppon, then you can complain accordingly. But it' not really fair to him to not be allowed to do his job just because he happen to be the uncle of a former player.

But this man is a Munster fan through and through. There are tales of him with fans and his nephew drinking long in the night celebrating Munster's triumphs at the bar he owns in Limerick.

And now he's officiating in Munster's main rival's match on the make or break last day of the season. It is an absolute nonsense.

That reminds me, was it Clancy or Fitzgibbon that was pictured wearing Munster rugby gear in the crowd at one of their home matches a few seasons ago? Can't remember, I'll have to try and find the picture.

Rotten to the core.

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Post by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 8:28 pm

What's wrong with ref's wearing the shirt of the team they support? Not at games obviously.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:30 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:

That reminds me, was it Clancy or Fitzgibbon that was pictured wearing Munster rugby gear in the crowd at one of their home matches a few seasons ago? Can't remember, I'll have to try and find the picture.

Rotten to the core.

That was Clancy seen with his Irish scarf at an Ireland International game a few years ago.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 8:38 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:

That reminds me, was it Clancy or Fitzgibbon that was pictured wearing Munster rugby gear in the crowd at one of their home matches a few seasons ago? Can't remember, I'll have to try and find the picture.

Rotten to the core.

That was Clancy seen with his Irish scarf at an Ireland International game a few years ago.

I'm sure there was another time with a ref spotted wearing Munster clobber.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:39 pm

Rolland shows the way.

http://fat.gfycat.com/ActiveSeparateGecko.mp4

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:42 pm

It's always nice to know the ref is actually interested in the game he refs. Refs should be forced to prove they support a rugby side - we can't have refs that know nothing about what it is to be fan.

Who do we think Nigel supports? Leinster?

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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 8:43 pm

Either way, we now have had Ulster fans as TMOs and Munster fans as TMOs.


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Post by Guest Tue 12 May 2015, 8:44 pm

Maybe most TMO's are fans of the clubs they TMO for?

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:45 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Either way, we now have had Ulster fans as TMOs and Munster fans as TMOs.


Welsh TMOs watch Football for pleasure?

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Post by ScarletSpiderman Tue 12 May 2015, 8:48 pm

SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Either way, we now have had Ulster fans as TMOs and Munster fans as TMOs.


Welsh TMOs watch Football for pleasure?

I believe most of them do, so do the players
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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:50 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Either way, we now have had Ulster fans as TMOs and Munster fans as TMOs.


Welsh TMOs watch Football for pleasure?

I believe most of them do, so do the players

God... and they wonder where all the potential fans are?
Lord won't like hearing that. He believes all Welsh people are sitting at home watching Rugby.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Tue 12 May 2015, 8:51 pm

Shameless. Not even a hint of "oh dear old chap, that shouldn't be happenning".

Just the usual, "Oh well, we're ok"

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Post by VinceWLB Tue 12 May 2015, 8:52 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:
VinceWLB wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Is it true that Jerry Flannery's Uncle is the TMO in the Ospreys match this saturday?

It's true. The uncle of Munster stalwart Jerry Flannery is TMOing Munster's main opposition in the final league game of the season.

You could not write this shait.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt, lets see what happen when the TMO is called uppon, then you can complain accordingly. But it' not really fair to him to not be allowed to do his job just because he happen to be the uncle of a former player.

But this man is a Munster fan through and through. There are tales of him with fans and his nephew drinking long in the night celebrating Munster's triumphs at the bar he owns in Limerick.

And now he's officiating in Munster's main rival's match on the make or break last day of the season. It is an absolute nonsense.

That reminds me, was it Clancy or Fitzgibbon that was pictured wearing Munster rugby gear in the crowd at one of their home matches a few seasons ago? Can't remember, I'll have to try and find the picture.

Rotten to the core.

Do you think he will have a screen showing the Munster game among one of his many screens?

Seriously, this guy is only TMO, you are acting as if he was the ref. With a bit of luck we shouldn't even heard his name during the game.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 12 May 2015, 8:56 pm

Oh dear old Chap........... that shouldn't be happening that Welsh TMOs show more loyalty to football than their own sport.
Are we sure they even know the forward pass rule? We don't want any shameless lack of knowledge informing their calls.

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