India in Bangladesh, 2015

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India to play 1 test and 3 ODIs against Bangladesh, in a tour from 7 to 24 June.
Here is the discussion thread.......

Garbage from Kohli here, he's still batting on! And they said Dhoni was defensive!!

The only guy that I am not convinced with is Saha.
He's obviously not a strong batsman....and his keeping reputed to be the best in the country is actually quite untidy....he fluffed and missed one or two in every test match game I remember him having played

KP_fan wrote:The only guy that I am not convinced with is Saha.
He's obviously not a strong batsman....and his keeping reputed to be the best in the country is actually quite untidy....he fluffed and missed one or two in every test match game I remember him having played

Other than Rohit Sharma, Saha is the one I am not really convinced about in that batting lineup. He certainly isn't a good for a 5+1 batting lineup in particular, and yes, his keeping, at least at the top level, hasn't been good really, and he did struggle keeping to Ashwin in Australia. Since Samson doesn't keep in the longer format, think they should bring in Naman Ojha, he has been doing pretty well at the domestic level, and has taken his opportunities with the India A side and performed well outside the subcontinent as well.

msp83 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:The only guy that I am not convinced with is Saha.
He's obviously not a strong batsman....and his keeping reputed to be the best in the country is actually quite untidy....he fluffed and missed one or two in every test match game I remember him having played

Other than Rohit Sharma, Saha is the one I am not really convinced about in that batting lineup. He certainly isn't a good for a 5+1 batting lineup in particular, and yes, his keeping, at least at the top level, hasn't been good really, and he did struggle keeping to Ashwin in Australia.  Since Samson doesn't keep in the longer format, think they should bring in Naman Ojha, he has been doing pretty well at the domestic level, and has taken his opportunities with the India A side and performed well outside the subcontinent as well.

how is the Mumbai WK as a batsman ?

Aditya Tare had a couple of decent Ranji seasons, but think Ojha is better with bat and gloves.

play washed out again.
so 2 full days....if it is uninterrupted then the Indians have to walk the walk and after talking the "positive/ intent" talk...and bowl BD out twice

msp83 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:The only guy that I am not convinced with is Saha.
He's obviously not a strong batsman....and his keeping reputed to be the best in the country is actually quite untidy....he fluffed and missed one or two in every test match game I remember him having played

Other than Rohit Sharma, Saha is the one I am not really convinced about in that batting lineup. He certainly isn't a good for a 5+1 batting lineup in particular, and yes, his keeping, at least at the top level, hasn't been good really, and he did struggle keeping to Ashwin in Australia.  Since Samson doesn't keep in the longer format, think they should bring in Naman Ojha, he has been doing pretty well at the domestic level, and has taken his opportunities with the India A side and performed well outside the subcontinent as well.

You're convinced about Dhawan based on 1 innings against the worst bowling attack in test cricket on a featherbed after prolonged horrific performances overseas? Really? In a fair world, Rahul should walk straight back in. He won't though.

KL Rahul will walk in straight away

Hope Rahul does, but he's unlikely to....... If Dhawan can get his act together, he can be useful in subcontinent where he can give a quick start, leaving Vijay to do his on thing....... He has had a fair run in non-subcontinent conditions, and other than in New Zealand, he just didn't perform. Not sure Rahul is the finished article either, but he's my first choice between the 2 though I would still keep Dhawan in the frame until Rahul proves himself or someone like Jiwanjot would evolve........
But Rohit Sharma and Saha will have to go, and Pujara and Ojha come back in. In subcontinent conditions, Jadeja to come in for one of the seamers, perhaps Aaron who doesn't offer anything much other than speed.

http://www.firstpost.com/sports/srinivasan-saved-dhoni-from-being-sacked-in-2012-former-selector-raja-venkat-2292724.html

Damning revelations.....more than 3 years Dhoni lived on charity.....and how did he pay back his master

msp83 wrote:Hope Rahul does, but he's unlikely to....... If Dhawan can get his act together, he can be useful in subcontinent where he can give a quick start, leaving Vijay to do his on thing....... He has had a fair run in non-subcontinent conditions, and other than in New Zealand, he just didn't perform. Not sure Rahul is the finished article either, but he's my first choice between the 2 though I would still keep Dhawan in the frame until Rahul proves himself or someone like Jiwanjot would evolve........
But Rohit Sharma and Saha will have to go, and Pujara and Ojha come back in. In subcontinent conditions, Jadeja to come in for one of the seamers, perhaps Aaron who doesn't offer anything much other than speed.

Really? Based on this innings? If this was Rohit Sharma, you'd have been abusing the hell outta him for scoring runs against the minnows but for Dhawan, its a fresh start that has tempted you to even consider him ahead of Rahul? I don't see how he is any better than Rohit in tests. At least Rohit can play offspin. And why would you pick a subcontinent specialist batsman? I can understand that for bowlers but with batsmen, you surely have to look at men for all conditions. Rahul is that guy. Dhawan playing ahead of him in Tests would completely turn me off the Indian test side.

Well India doing all they can to stay positive and picked 3 wkts....none of the 3 seamers got any wickets though

ShankyCricket wrote:

msp83 wrote:Hope Rahul does, but he's unlikely to....... If Dhawan can get his act together, he can be useful in subcontinent where he can give a quick start, leaving Vijay to do his on thing....... He has had a fair run in non-subcontinent conditions, and other than in New Zealand, he just didn't perform. Not sure Rahul is the finished article either, but he's my first choice between the 2 though I would still keep Dhawan in the frame until Rahul proves himself or someone like Jiwanjot would evolve........
But Rohit Sharma and Saha will have to go, and Pujara and Ojha come back in. In subcontinent conditions, Jadeja to come in for one of the seamers, perhaps Aaron who doesn't offer anything much other than speed.

Really? Based on this innings? If this was Rohit Sharma, you'd have been abusing the hell outta him for scoring runs against the minnows but for Dhawan, its a fresh start that has tempted you to even consider him ahead of Rahul? I don't see how he is any better than Rohit in tests. At least Rohit can play offspin.  And why would you pick a subcontinent specialist batsman? I can understand that for bowlers but with batsmen, you surely have to look at men for all conditions. Rahul is that guy. Dhawan playing ahead of him in Tests would completely turn me off the Indian test side.

Well as I said, I do hope Rahul gets a run despite Dhawan's knock here, but I feel that's unlikely to happen. So in that event, I am just looking at the positives.......
Rohit by the way, can't even buy a run against Bangladesh!!

there is a possibility of playing Rahul at 3 and Dhawan as an opener also in subcontinent.

nevertheless India's bigger problem is team balance.....when we play other stronger sides.,....Saha at 6 is too frail given that the 3 seamers are really just tail-enders.

--so either we find a seamer who can bat means Binny, Dhawan.....naah that's a notional seamer

--OR we play 2 seamers and 3 spinners and all 3 spinners can bat .
means picks any 3 spinners from a pool of ashwin, bhajji, axar, jadeja, Rasool, Jalaj all of whom can bat and on home pitches will do well.

because the reset button was pressed recently and more than 3 year old performances discarded.....the ratings fluctuate with every test match.

The Aus-Eng series should also have an impact on ratings...with Eng all to gain.
every draw match will see Eng's points go up and a narrow defeat like 2-1 or 1-0 should see Eng get more points out of that series

So What have we learned from the draw? Nothing much in the batting front....... As for the bowling, think Bhuvneshwar and a fit again Shami should be the first choice options in subcontinent. The former can swing the new ball, the latter can reverse the old ball. Both Aaron and Yadav aren't operating with the level of consistency required at this level on the not so helpful pitches, and Aaron anyways is a misfit for these conditions. On the spinning frot, Ravichandran Ashwin continues to prove that he has to be India's number 1 spinner. This is not so much about his figures, impressive though they were. It is more about the way he bowled. He based his bowling on his stok offspin and the variations were more about pace and length rather than the carom ball and all that. He totally outbowled Harbhajan Singh. With Harbhajan, the flat and quick one was never too far away and he despite all the brave talk, just didn't seem very confident either. Let us remember him well for all that he did for Indian cricket, and let him enjoy his time at the IPL, but its time to cut the loss with that illtimed experiment....... Bring back Jadeja for Harbhajan, and then bring in another spinner for the 3rd seamer. Could be Ojha if he gets his action, form and confidence together, Mishra not too sure but may be, or even young Shreyas Gopal though I am not sure he's yet ready for test cricket. Both Mishra and Gopal can bat too.......
And bring in Naman Ojha for Saha to take the gloves and bat 6.

on, Bangladesh, batting first made 307 all out, with Tamim Iqbal, Soumya Sarkar and Shakib Al Hasan making 50s. This is their highest ODI score against India. Ravichandran Ashwin, noticeably bowling an attacking outside off line and giving the ball lots of air and sticking to his stok offspinners, took 3 for 51 in his 10 overs. Suresh Raina's parttime spin provided a lot of control after the Bangladesh openers put on a hundred partnership up front.

India 28 without loss after 5.

A debut 5for from young Mustafizur Rahman, and India are on the brink of a big loss here. They are 226-9 in the 45th over. The openers had put on a big partnership just like Tamim and Sarkar did for Bangladesh, again like Bangladesh there was a collapse. Then like Shakib and Sabir for Bangladesh, Raina and Jadeja did a bit of a recovery act. But unlike the Bangladeshis, that partnership didn't last long enough, and then there was no contribution from the rest of the lineup. Younng Mustafizur is highly rated in Bangladesh, and he has had a fabulous debut.......
Bangladesh's ODI rise continues.......

Bangladesh win by 79 runs!

well i had said and have been saying....dhoni will go out in shame......he should have retired after the world cup...notjhing left to paly for and he can only go down further.
Minus Srni's hand on his head he is likely to sink further ...he and his CSK gang except ashwin are all laibilities

The 2nd ODI today.
Will be interesting whether India would make any changes in the seam bowling department.

India won the toss and are batting. 3 changes from them, Ajinkya Rahane, Mohit Sharma and Umesh Yadav go out, and in come Ambati Rayudu, Akshar Patel and Dhawal Kulkarni. Bangladesh are unchanged.

Hope there will be a proper cricket game rather than a stupid hitting contest.

msp83 wrote:India won the toss and are batting. 3 changes from them, Ajinkya Rahane, Mohit Sharma and Umesh Yadav go out, and in come Ambati Rayudu, Akshar Patel and Dhawal Kulkarni. Bangladesh are unchanged.

why is Rahane out?
if anything other than injury...it's an atrocious move

Young Mustafizur Rahman continues his sensational start to ODI cricket, following up his 5-50 with an even better 6-43! India nearly bowled out before the rain came and the readjusted total is 200 in 47 overs, and Bangladesh are walking it at the moment!.

After Ryan Harris, Mustafizur's has been the most outstanding start to ODI cricket in recent times for a bowler. At a time when the bowlers are told they are not supposed to anything else other than turning up and getting slogged all around in the name of entertainment....... Mustafizur's performances have been the most entertaining stuff I've watched in ODI cricket in the last few months.......

Bangladesh 156-4 in the 31st over. No big score for them, but all the batsmen out other than Tamim Iqbal getting to the 30 mark and Shakib is batting in the 30s.

Bangladesh takes the series with 1 match to go. They well and truly deserved the series win. Very heartening to see their seamers also fronting up. They are such a passionate cricket loving public, backed the team through all the lows and fully deserve these moments.
Questions abound for India. Is it time for Mahendra Singh Dhoni to give up the captaincy? He has a fine record as captain in ODIs in particular, but its been almost 8 years at the helm. It is important that Dhoni the batsman gets going in ODIs, at the moment he's struggling there as well, though he did make 47 today batting at 4. Perhaps it is time for Virat Kohli to take over in all formats....... But Kohli too isn't in the best of shapes to take over the ODI leadership, though there is absolutely no question on his place in the side, a rough patch with the bat may not be the ideal time to take over the additional responsibility of leadership. But then, its Kohli we are talking about, perhaps the additional responsibility might help him find form with the bat.......
There is not much that can be done in terms of changes to the side as such. Ravindra Jadeja is the all-rounder batting at 7 and expected to bowl his quota of overs. Jadeja hasn't been delivering consistently with bat or ball of late. But Akshar Patel, the reserve for that position is not doing any better, and today when he played, bagged yet another duck, remember he getting a few already in his young career....... Stuart Binny is not the option as his bowling is not good enough to consistently bowl close to 10 overs. Rishi Dhawan is more of a longer format option, and he hasn't been given a look in as yet, even when they played away from the subcontinent. Perhaps they should pick Irfan Pathan when he's fit....... Wouldn't want to throw Shreyas Gopal in there in the midst of the slogfest that ODIs have turned into, properly developed, he could be a handy option for the test side.......

I have been saying for a long time.....he is finished....with his agenda selections
and his CSK brigade
he lasted as long as he did because of his corrupt master Srini.

Now he will go out is inevitable.......but in ignominy

To be fair only jadeja plays for csk, mohit got dropped.

Not dhonis fault that his batsmen get schooled by a 19 year old, 200 isn't much of a total to defend.

Bangladesh not given enough credit, mortaza not given enough credit for being one of the best captains in world cricket, he's instilled a 4 man pace attack in a team who used to rely on spin and more spin.

Dhoni is still a good captain, he could have done nothing in the second match, he did well as a captain.

This CSK thing is something that is just hyped. Ashwin, Raina and Dhoni make it to the side regardless of them playing for CSK. Ravindra Jadeja, before his injury in Australia, was India's most effective ODI bowler for more than a year. Yes his performances haven't been anything like that since he returned from injury, but then as I wrote earlier, the reserves, Stuart Binny or Akshar Patel aren't doing any better. Under the new rules, it is not possible to get away with parttimers on a regular basis either, the only parttimer with the ball worth considering on a serious basis is Yuvraj Singh, but he hasn't really demanded selection. Among the domestic players who are not tested, Parwez Rasool, Rishi Dhawan and Shreyas Gopal are all players who have been doing better in the longer format.
Perhaps they should get Rasool in and bat him up the order with Raina and Dhoni moving down the order to do the finishing job. Or take a punt on Rishi Dhawan.

Maybe the BCCI should let more of its players come over for the Natwest Blast and learn to play some proper modern limited overs cricket like the England team play.

Rot starts with dhoni

Mohit gotta play international cricket because of dhoni
Rahane the dropped again.

Dhoni's side is a minnow basher and HTB
Time for him to gi.
Graceful exit not possible.
Has to be sacked unceremoniously
And then all the fixing cases will open against him and he will be jailed

KP_fan wrote:Rot starts with dhoni

Mohit gotta play international cricket because of dhoni
Rahane the dropped again.

Dhoni's side is a minnow basher and HTB
Time for him to gi.
Graceful exit not possible.
Has to be sacked unceremoniously
And then all the fixing cases will open against him and he will be jailed

Whats with the Dhoni Hate?

No captain could have prevented BD beating India, they were the better side and they didn't know how to play Mustafizur.

Mohit...Can't make an argument for him

Rahane looks lost vs BD attack, struggles to get it off the square vs Taskin, Shakib, Mustafizur, Mortaza.

Dhoni's got a decent record vs all teams

India avoided a whitwash at the hands of Bangladesh as they won the last ODI by 77 runs.
Batting first, India made 317-6 in their 50 overs. Shikhar Dhawan made 75 and skipper Dhoni made 69, and there were contributions from Rayudu and Raina as well.
Bangladesh were bowled out for 240 in response. Raina finished with 3 wickets, and Ravichandran Ashwin, the pick of Indian bowlers in the entire tour, took 2 for 35.
Rohit Sharma and Kohli continued to disappoint with the bat, and the seamers other than Dhawal Kulkarni who took 2 wickets were yet again disappointing. Umesh Yadav was used only for 4 overs as he was going at more than 8 an over, and Stuart Binny, who replaced Ravindra Jadeja, too was expensive and never looked like being able to bowl his 10 overs, eventually bowling only 6. Akshar Patel took a wicket, but didn't really stand out with the ball.
With the Zimbabwe tour all but cancelled, that is the end of the season for India.......

kohli has summed it up well....India wasn't ( and hasn't for a long time) been playing freely...nor expressing themselves.

It all amounts to Dhoni's chicken hearted defensiveness.

the nadir........when losing two times in a decade to BD is a sin...he lost 2 games in a row