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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 1:43 pm

...but this is another level completely.


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Post by Chunky Norwich Fri 29 May 2015, 1:44 pm

Didn't get cited either. Mockery.

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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 1:44 pm

Chunky Norwich wrote:Didn't get cited either. Mockery.

For real?

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Post by Chunky Norwich Fri 29 May 2015, 1:45 pm

clivemcl wrote:
Chunky Norwich wrote:Didn't get cited either. Mockery.

For real?

Yup. French chiefs decided that this international player had no case to answer. No ban just before the world cup.

Annoying when that happens isn't it. Our game is corrupt.

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Post by Guest Fri 29 May 2015, 1:50 pm

That looks like a straight red. Incredible that it wasn't even cited.

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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 1:50 pm

Considering in the same game, we saw a red. For a punch. Not that I'm saying punches shouldnt be punished - but seriously - two grown men, both upright exchanging a few blows.



Compare that with a player on the ground, completely unprovoked feeling the force of a 15stone man's stamp to the face via a set of studs.

Sickening.

Forget rugby, that should be a bloody police charge. Sicko.


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Post by Guest Fri 29 May 2015, 1:51 pm

No action either. Wow

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Post by whocares Fri 29 May 2015, 1:57 pm

doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 2:03 pm

whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

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Post by wolfball Fri 29 May 2015, 2:11 pm

clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

It deserves a ban, red card etc, but i can see the argument for it being accidental, in terms of it was a deliberate lash out and stamp, but i think he was reacting to being held back and trying to kick out of it; once he realised he had struck the player he immediately bent over to look at if he was ok.

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Post by 123456789 Fri 29 May 2015, 2:15 pm

It may just be coincidence but it's almost as if the French know that if he were to be cited he'd miss the World Cup, a bit like us up in scotland where ryan Wilson who assaulted someone but his ban just happened to finish the week before the play offs and in time for the extended World Cup squad (not a squad I expect him to make). You've got to give credit to Stuart Lancaster and the RFU for taking a stand on Tuilagi and Hartley.

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Post by Chunky Norwich Fri 29 May 2015, 2:18 pm

123456789 wrote:It may just be coincidence but it's almost as if the French know that if he were to be cited he'd miss the World Cup, a bit like us up in scotland where ryan Wilson who assaulted someone but his ban just happened to finish the week before the play offs and in time for the extended World Cup squad (not a squad I expect him to make). You've got to give credit to Stuart Lancaster and the RFU for taking a stand on Tuilagi and Hartley.

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Post by whocares Fri 29 May 2015, 2:20 pm

clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

well you obviously never had been in a situation where you had one leg stuck while trying to stand up quickly : to put all your weight on the other leg is actually a conditonned reflex. it's either that or he trips.

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Post by lostinwales Fri 29 May 2015, 2:32 pm

whocares wrote:
clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

well you obviously never had been in a situation where you had one leg stuck while trying to stand up quickly : to put all your weight on the other leg is actually a conditonned reflex. it's either that or he trips.


I am in two minds on this. The first time I looked at it this is exactly what I saw, but looking at it a couple more times made me doubt. Huget does check on the guy straight away

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Post by SecretFly Fri 29 May 2015, 2:40 pm

Who is to know what was in Huget's mind?  But we're all making a stab at it nonetheless.  

So I say he meant to stamp - red.  I say though that he got a shock that it was the head he hit as he probably meant an arm or hand and mishit - as you do when you're not looking and being a sly basterde.

So I don't think the card is a doubt or the intent to stamp is a doubt - but I genuinely think he got a shock that his clumsy attempt connected with the head.

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Post by LondonTiger Fri 29 May 2015, 2:40 pm

I have to say I am also in the "that may not be intentional" camp

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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 2:46 pm

lostinwales wrote:
whocares wrote:
clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

well you obviously never had been in a situation where you had one leg stuck while trying to stand up quickly : to put all your weight on the other leg is actually a conditonned reflex. it's either that or he trips.


I am in two minds on this. The first time I looked at it this is exactly what I saw, but looking at it a couple more times made me doubt. Huget does check on the guy straight away

Which only tells us Huget is at that point aware he could have seriously hurt the guy. Doesn't necessarily mean there was no intent in the heat of the moment.

To me, there is definately more force in the stamp than what would be natural in the case of him tripping.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 29 May 2015, 2:57 pm

clivemcl wrote:

Which only tells us Huget is at that point aware he could have seriously hurt the guy. Doesn't necessarily mean there was no intent in the heat of the moment.

To me, there is definately more force in the stamp than what would be natural in the case of him tripping.

Oh it's a sure fire stamp.  But the force of it suggests that had he known he was aiming for a head, he'd also have been in no doubt that such a strike was going to cause real danger/hurt/damage.

I feel his concern is real therefore I think he surely must have intended his certain stamp to go elsewhere.  Doesn't change intent or what should be red and a ban - but it's I think important to work out whether or not he intended that strike to hit a head.  I don't think so.


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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 2:57 pm

I am in no doubt now that Huget is a vile excuse for a rugby player.

When Huget goes to get up, we can see Marais his his right hand around the back of Huget's left knee. So here we have motive. Huget to my mind was annoyed at being held.

My two cents worth is, the tackler does not know that Huget does not still have the ball and it is perfectly understandable that he continues his tackle hold.

The force of that leg coming down is definately more than clumsy stumbling. Without a doubt that is an incredibly hard stamp.

Whats worse though is I believe Huget appears to show concern for Maurais just to bolster his pretence that it was accidental.

None of this is too much of a stretch of the imagination for a player who feigns injury and takes a dive.

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Post by 123456789 Fri 29 May 2015, 3:01 pm

I think he meant to stamp but not on the face, he was clearly being held, stamped to free himself and caught the guy on the face. He's not looking where he's stamping, that's not to say he's innocent if he's going to do that he has to accept the consequences and there was always the risk someone will get injured

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Post by whocares Fri 29 May 2015, 3:09 pm

clivemcl wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
whocares wrote:
clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

well you obviously never had been in a situation where you had one leg stuck while trying to stand up quickly : to put all your weight on the other leg is actually a conditonned reflex. it's either that or he trips.


I am in two minds on this. The first time I looked at it this is exactly what I saw, but looking at it a couple more times made me doubt. Huget does check on the guy straight away

Which only tells us Huget is at that point aware he could have seriously hurt the guy. Doesn't necessarily mean there was no intent in the heat of the moment.

To me, there is definately more force in the stamp than what would be natural in the case of him tripping.

given the speed at which he's trying to "evade" Marais grip, I have real doubts on that assumption. maybe you should try it at home and report on monday with your findings Smile
seriously thought as I wrote earlier the intent of stamping is far form clear but should still be looked at by a citing comittee. that's why they are around.
am not even biasied as am a UBB supporter (ahead of toulouse) so could have a lot of sour grapes after this incident. same with the staff that didnt complain. for the record, I wont miss huget at all if he's suspended for a few weeks.

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Post by clivemcl Fri 29 May 2015, 3:32 pm

whocares wrote:
clivemcl wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
whocares wrote:
clivemcl wrote:
whocares wrote:doubt that's intentional but agree should have at least deserved a citing post match. for some reason NOBODY in the UBB staff did acomment on that event. probably another last present to guy noves before he leaves the club. Huget did enquire about Marais health just after it happened. I assume the ref and his assistant were looking elsewhere and Marais (to his credit) didnt milk it...

I'm actually shocked that you believe that. No offence. It just seems 100% blatant to my eyes.

well you obviously never had been in a situation where you had one leg stuck while trying to stand up quickly : to put all your weight on the other leg is actually a conditonned reflex. it's either that or he trips.


I am in two minds on this. The first time I looked at it this is exactly what I saw, but looking at it a couple more times made me doubt. Huget does check on the guy straight away

Which only tells us Huget is at that point aware he could have seriously hurt the guy. Doesn't necessarily mean there was no intent in the heat of the moment.

To me, there is definately more force in the stamp than what would be natural in the case of him tripping.

given the speed at which he's trying to "evade" Marais grip, I have real doubts on that assumption. maybe you should try it at home and report on monday with your findings Smile
seriously thought as I wrote earlier the intent of stamping is far form clear but should still be looked at by a citing comittee. that's why they are around.
am not even biasied as am a UBB supporter (ahead of toulouse) so could have a lot of sour grapes after this incident. same with the staff that didnt complain. for the record, I wont miss huget at all if he's suspended for a few weeks.

I asked the missus to lay on the ground and not leave go of my leg. She smelt a rat, and refused...

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Post by SecretFly Fri 29 May 2015, 3:43 pm

clivemcl wrote:

I asked the missus to lay on the ground and not leave go of my leg. She smelt a rat, and refused...

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Post by VinceWLB Fri 29 May 2015, 4:50 pm

When he stamped, Huget wasn't held anymore, blatantly intentional to my eyes.

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Post by SecretFly Fri 29 May 2015, 4:56 pm

Looks like it was a rip-roaring game anyway Wink Maybe we're all getting it all wrong here - maybe these cheaters and slime-ball players should be getting a bigger slice of the marketing money as I think I might watch more Top14 from here on in!

More right hooks and low brow sling shots is what we need.

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Post by profitius Sat 30 May 2015, 2:49 pm

There should be another level in the process. If they miss or ignore that stamp they should have to answer to someone higher and I'm not talking about the FFR.

Jack McGrath is also a lucky boy. He should have been cited also. I think we'll see more of this in the run up to the world cup from all countries especially in the southern hemisphere where their season is in full swing.
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Post by Higher_Ground Sun 31 May 2015, 9:38 am

That's the worst thing I've seen in a rugby field in 10 years.
You can see the cogs in Huget's brain working; 'uh oh, World Cup, better pretend I'm worried about the guy,
Don't I look sweet? Please don't cite me'. Farce.

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Post by David-Douglas Sun 31 May 2015, 12:33 pm

profitius wrote: I think we'll see more of this in the run up to the world cup from all countries especially in the southern hemisphere where their season is in full swing.

Maybe not especially the southern hemisphere - what are the chances of Farrell being cited for his 'tackle' on Watson yesterday?

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Post by Notch Sun 31 May 2015, 12:34 pm

Is there any news on citing for this?
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Post by Guest Sun 31 May 2015, 12:42 pm

Apparently it isn't going to be cited, Notch.

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Post by Notch Sun 31 May 2015, 12:43 pm

Well, this week with McGrath and Huget certainly adds weight to the argument that the whole system needs to be reviewed then.
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Post by Guest Sun 31 May 2015, 12:46 pm

It does. McGrath should have been cited, but it being a Baabaa's game I'm not sure if it's the done thing?

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Post by Notch Sun 31 May 2015, 12:48 pm

No, I don't think so either. I have no doubt if it wasn't a Barabrians game it would have been cited. And I have no problem with that in and of itself, thats very much part of the Barabarians ethos, it just it does create an imbalance when you see Hartley cited and ruled out of the RWC because his offence was in a competitive game which isn't really fair.
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Post by Guest Sun 31 May 2015, 12:58 pm

Agreed, Notch. It just doesn't sit right. Whether or not it's a Baabaa's game, if a player intentionally injures another player, then that player should face the consequences just as much as those playing elsewhere.
There is no excuse at all for Huget escaping a citing. It does appear that he is being protected for international duty.

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Post by Fanster Sun 31 May 2015, 11:23 pm

The more I watch this clip the more disgusting it looks to me!
Huget doesn't once take his eyes off the player on the floor, and that is as dynamic a stamp as you will ever see, his reaction to step off the head and return his head to check, then recheck before going back confirms his realisation in is own stuidity to me!
Has to be a lengthy ban, and join Hartley in the TV room in September!

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 01 Jun 2015, 10:19 am

Huget should have been cited, but then at the hearing, with the aid of a bio-mechanics expert, I could easily see him being found not guilty.

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 01 Jun 2015, 10:21 am

Munchkin wrote:It does. McGrath should have been cited, but it being a Baabaa's game I'm not sure if it's the done thing?

the citing window for an exhibition game, which that counted as, is only 2 hours. After a couple of pints, the citing officer then went for a pee, one mor epint and the two hours had expired.

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