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Post by Chunky Norwich Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:07 pm

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So is he going to Glasgow then, or is he looking for a way out?

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Post by George Carlin Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:08 am

alive555 wrote:Hes coming after all !

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/33547714
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Post by Eejit Thu Jul 16, 2015 1:13 pm

Sounds like his agent had to give him a bit of a skelp before he dug an even deeper hole for himself. Though the 'away least one year' nonsense sounds like a 'come get me' to big spenders like Sarries or Toulon.

Anyway, chuffed that the Big chap will be in Warriors colours next season. I wonder if he'll be getting hand off tips from Richie V.

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Post by SirBurger Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:58 pm

Eejit wrote:Sounds like his agent had to give him a bit of a skelp before he dug an even deeper hole for himself. Though the 'away least one year' nonsense sounds like a 'come get me' to big spenders like Sarries or Toulon.

Anyway, chuffed that the Big chap will be in Warriors colours next season. I wonder if he'll be getting hand off tips from Richie V.

Suspect the one year thing is just so that he can go back to his wife after a year. A year is obviously a long time, but it probably allows for her to stay in Australia and for him to maybe go back once during the season, before returning full time at the end of the year. It also gives Glasgow time to find a suitable replacement for 2016/17.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:32 pm

alive555 wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
Notch wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:
And there in lies why I increasingly worry about rugby. International rugby is more like flipping club rugby than club rugby is! And no better reason than to hike the residency rules up to 5/6/7/ hell even 8 years!

Yeah, it is. Of course it is equally mercenary for him to be playing for Australia now on exactly the same basis. His home nation isn't even involved in this tug of war! It's been about which of his potential adopted nations will get to him first. And whilst this may have the side effect of limiting the opportunities available to Pacific Islands players, its pretty poor that the criteria are so lax and we're not far off a situation where Fiji and Samoa are only playing the guys not good enough to make it for another test nation.

I don't think that was why he was signed though- but if the SRU were part funding it, thats what Glasgow will have said to incentivise them to open their wallets. Thats how you get your union to approve a marquee signing like this. Glasgow don't care if he plays for Scotland, they'd rather he played for nobody and was available all year.

Totally agree mate...

The thing I don't understand is why the rush NOT to play for Fiji, Samoa or Tonga. The all now have their big club salaries etc, sponsorship so why not represent your actual country. Imagine the teams those islands could put out if they had their pick of their actual players.

All would be top 10 easy . At least one in the top 3-5.


What the PI sides lack is discipline and half backs. Sadly they have no one to recruit top coaches to improve their discipline (particularly at the set piece and breakdown) and no one is stealing their half backs. The half back issues again probably stems back to the issues regarding coaches at grass roots level. No one is looking at the Fiji back line and thinking that the wingers adopted by Australia and France would have made a massive difference there.

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Post by Notch Thu Jul 16, 2015 6:17 pm

SirBurger wrote:
Eejit wrote:Sounds like his agent had to give him a bit of a skelp before he dug an even deeper hole for himself. Though the 'away least one year' nonsense sounds like a 'come get me' to big spenders like Sarries or Toulon.

Anyway, chuffed that the Big chap will be in Warriors colours next season. I wonder if he'll be getting hand off tips from Richie V.

Suspect the one year thing is just so that he can go back to his wife after a year. A year is obviously a long time, but it probably allows for her to stay in Australia and for him to maybe go back once during the season, before returning full time at the end of the year. It also gives Glasgow time to find a suitable replacement for 2016/17.

Also if he is able to secure a release after one year, it will not affect his ambition to force his way into the Wallabies set-up. Glasgow must release him for the World Cup if he is selected and then he'd be heading back in time for the Rugby Championship.

That would be a good solution for all parties involved, a good compromise.
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Post by BigGee Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:47 pm

I still think it is unlikely he will make the final WC cut for Oz.

I think it is no great surprise that he will be coming to Glasgow either, who never blinked once. Even if he did not understand, his agent clearly did realise just how much money breaking his contract was going to cost him and there was no chance that the ARU were going to bail him out.

Down the line then anything may happen and some negotiation is always possible. Who knows though, he may well come to Glasgow and never want to leave. That would be perfectly understandable!

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Post by IanBru Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:48 pm

It has to be said, I came to Glasgow and didn't want to leave. Having never lived there before, it becomes amazingly attractive for anyone willing to jump in with both feet.

That's what I want from him - if he plays his socks off, the Warriors faithful will love him. If he plays like he wants to be somewhere else, the Scotstoun roar will get very quiet, very quickly.
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Post by jimbopip Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:47 am

Interesting to see that even though Rob Horne has been ruled out of the Wallabies next game Big Tacky hasn't been included in the 31 man squad.

I get the feeling that he has signed a contract saying he'll be at Scotstoun for the start of the season and if he can't get out of that he won't appear for Aus in the World Cup: therefor there is no point in playing him in the RWC.

Or the Wallaby management are now putting their own pressure on him. Apparently he wanted a Wallaby cap to guarantee residency status for himself and his family, would that be endangered if he chose to/ was compelled (financially) to honour his contract with Glasgow?
It does rather look as if he has put himself into a rock/hard place interface type situation.

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Post by Don Alfonso Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:00 pm

Are clubs not required to release players for the RWC?

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Post by IanBru Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:04 pm

Don, they are of course, but if playing for Glasgow means that the Wallabies won't pick him (fewer than the required number of caps/Super Rugby seasons to be exempted from the ARU rules on non-Australian selection), then it has the same effect.

i.e. it's not that Glasgow aren't releasing him, it's that he isn't being selected by Aus because he plays/will play for Glasgow.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:18 pm

IanBru wrote:It has to be said, I came to Glasgow and didn't want to leave. Having never lived there before, it becomes amazingly attractive for anyone willing to jump in with both feet.

That's what I want from him - if he plays his socks off, the Warriors faithful will love him. If he plays like he wants to be somewhere else, the Scotstoun roar will get very quiet, very quickly.

Is that not slightly overstating it?? laughing

You are correct though. Regardless of talent or ability, if he's willing to come over, say some nice things about the City and graft on the pitch, he'll achieve God-like status in no time!

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Post by George Carlin Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:27 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:
IanBru wrote:It has to be said, I came to Glasgow and didn't want to leave. Having never lived there before, it becomes amazingly attractive for anyone willing to jump in with both feet.

That's what I want from him - if he plays his socks off, the Warriors faithful will love him. If he plays like he wants to be somewhere else, the Scotstoun roar will get very quiet, very quickly.

Is that not slightly overstating it?? laughing
An Edinburgh fan making fun of a lack of stadium atmosphere? Really?

I've been to Pro12 Edinburgh matches. I'm not saying that it was quiet at Murrayfield but I once heard a nematode cough.
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Post by IanBru Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:04 am

I once heard the 'beep-beep' of a truck reversing while sat in the stand at The Library. I can only assume it was the hot pie van being taken away, as Mr Atiga had just come off the bench.
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Post by jimbopip Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:21 am

IanBru wrote:I once heard the 'beep-beep' of a truck reversing while sat in the stand at The Library. I can only assume it was the hot pie van being taken away, as Mr Atiga had just come off the bench.mighty Tim McVisser getting into position to make another big hit
fixed that for you Bru.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:41 pm

Nothing wrong with the atmosphere at Murrayfield for Edinburgh games. I find it electric. That said, I am a financial services lawyer, and I really don't get out much.

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Post by IanBru Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:00 pm

Laugh Ah FES, you old salt.

You and Jim have brightened my day. clap clap
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Post by RDW Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:19 am

funnyExiledScot wrote:That said, I am a financial services lawyer

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Post by George Carlin Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:50 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:That said, I am a financial services lawyer

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That really does explain a lot. Are you aware that you are the only funny financial services lawyer who has ever lived?

We should dip you in bronze and put you in St Stephen's Place.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:47 am

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:That said, I am a financial services lawyer

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That really does explain a lot. Are you aware that you are the only funny financial services lawyer who has ever lived?

We should dip you in bronze and put you in St Stephen's Place.

Awww, you made me blush.....

We get a bad rep us FS lawyers. All we did was play a prominent role in ruining the economy and by extension peoples lives, whilst increasing our job security by presenting the solution as more and more opaque regulation. Seriously, lighten up and look big picture.....

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Post by George Carlin Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:13 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:
funnyExiledScot wrote:That said, I am a financial services lawyer

Shocked

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That really does explain a lot. Are you aware that you are the only funny financial services lawyer who has ever lived?

We should dip you in bronze and put you in St Stephen's Place.

Awww, you made me blush.....

We get a bad rep us FS lawyers. All we did was play a prominent role in ruining the economy and by extension peoples lives, whilst increasing our job security by presenting the solution as more and more opaque regulation. Seriously, lighten up and look big picture.....
You want hatred? Be a PPP lawyer like me.

The public hates PPP/PFI but nobody really understands how it works well enough to know why. Hatred of FS lawyers is at least seasonal.

People hate us all year round.

Not that this stops Tory politicians from having a pop at bank/bond funded structures to win populist votes whilst simultaneously pledging public funds for infrastructure investment using identical schemes to the very ones that they were kicking the sh!t out of to get elected in the first place.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:00 pm

George Carlin wrote:The public hates PPP/PFI but nobody really understands how it works well enough to know why. Hatred of FS lawyers is at least seasonal.

People hate us all year round.

Not that this stops Tory politicians from having a pop at bank/bond funded structures to win populist votes whilst simultaneously pledging public funds for infrastructure investment using identical schemes to the very ones that they were kicking the sh!t out of to get elected in the first place.

As soon as the SNP and George Monbiot started to vehemently oppose it I know PPP/PFI had to be a good thing.

This is such a great lawyers conversation: which type of lawyer is the most hated??

I'd be torn between personal injury ambulance chasers and family lawyers who make their crust from divorce. On a more specific level, the commercial lawyer who prepared Scott Johnson's contract with the SRU.


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Post by RDW Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:08 pm

Surely PPI lawyers are the lowest of the low?

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:14 pm

That's a good call. Fielding those calls all the time is a massive pain in the hoop.

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Post by George Carlin Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:45 pm

Yes, the ambulance chasers are certainly the itchy, red warts on humanity's todger - as John Donne would almost certainly have written were he to be alive today.
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