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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:43 am

Was watching the Brian Rose fight at the weekend, and thinking, he fought Carson Jones in every way, boxing on the backfoot, getting in close and mixing it up, and not afraid to stand toe to toe for a proper dust up.

Got me thinking that if Brian Rose had any decent power he may have been a contender.

Can you think of any other fighters thorughout time that made you think "If only they had power"?




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Post by Rowley Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:48 am

Always thought Ian Napa had some lovely skills, if he had a bit more of a dig on him suspect he would have gone further in the sport.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:49 am

Paulie!

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Post by lfc91 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:50 am

Think this is the sort of thread where Paulie is potrayed as potential world beater....

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:50 am

Cheers Rowley, I was thinking about Paulie Malignaggi, and Irelands own Bernard Dunne (Although Bernie did have that suspect chin) he was a beautiful boxer nonetheless....

Is Ian Napa not an island in Cyprus?

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Post by hazharrison Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:52 am

Wayne McCullogh immediately spings to mind. With his workrate and chin, he'd have been a monster.

Dereck Chisora, Paulie Malignaggi, Troy Dorsey.

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 11:54 am

Floyd Mayweather?

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Post by AdamT Tue 04 Aug 2015, 12:20 pm

Floyd had power in the lower weight divisons. If he had similar power now, he would be more dominant for sure.

Definitely agree with McCullough. A fighter with his chin and stamina would be a nightmare if he had concussive power.

Ali? Yes he had a good punch and stopped a lot of opponents, but imagine he had the power of a Frazier or Foreman along with his own skill set. Scary thought!

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:05 pm

hazharrison wrote:Wayne McCullogh immediately spings to mind. With his workrate and chin, he'd have been a monster.

Dereck Chisora, Paulie Malignaggi, Troy Dorsey.

Think Chisora needs a bit more than just power.

An overhyped Marty Rogan.

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Post by Dipper Brown Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:11 pm

Calzaghe. Not feather fisted but brittle hands.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:15 pm

shenglong2015 wrote:Was watching the Brian Rose fight at the weekend, and thinking, he fought Carson Jones in every way, boxing on the backfoot, getting in close and mixing it up, and not afraid to stand toe to toe for a proper dust up.

Got me thinking that if Brian Rose had any decent power he may have been a contender.

Can you think of any other fighters thorughout time that made you think "If only they had power"?




Really ?? ....You think he got absolutely shellacked off Andrade because he lacked power....

He's as ordinary as the day is long.

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:21 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:Was watching the Brian Rose fight at the weekend, and thinking, he fought Carson Jones in every way, boxing on the backfoot, getting in close and mixing it up, and not afraid to stand toe to toe for a proper dust up.

Got me thinking that if Brian Rose had any decent power he may have been a contender.

Can you think of any other fighters thorughout time that made you think "If only they had power"?




Really ?? ....You think he got absolutely shellacked off Andrade because he lacked power....

He's as ordinary as the day is long.

Did you watch the fight at the weekend Truss?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:22 pm

How many times has Carson Jones lost now....

Anyone can look good against stiffs..

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Post by Mayweathers cellmate Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:25 pm

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Post by RanjitPatel Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:26 pm

If Tony Bellew had the power that he claimed to have he'd have been some fighter.

Ward springs to mind. I'm sure he's not carrying feathers but he's worth a mention.

Martin Murray might have had a bit more success against Golovkin if he had a harder dig.

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Post by hazharrison Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:45 pm

To be fair to Carson Jones, his best work has come at 147. The decision to hold a rematch at 158 lbs. was for Rose's benefit. Jones is no mug, regardless of his record. I thought he fought well. I expected Rose to crumble late, so good for him.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:49 pm

Gave up on Jones after a draw with Dean Byrne.....

A journeyman at welter is going to be no good at 158....Been living off his performance against a comatose Brook for too long.

I think Andrade showed us all how good Rose is.........I felt embarrassed for him.

Pointless rematch.


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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:50 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:How many times has Carson Jones lost now....

Anyone can look good against stiffs..

So I take it thats a "No" then.

Noticed that about you Truss, lots of mouth, but never watch any of these fights, bet you havent watched a fight since 1981.


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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:51 pm

hazharrison wrote:To be fair to Carson Jones, his best work has come at 147. The decision to hold a rematch at 158 lbs. was for Rose's benefit. Jones is no mug, regardless of his record. I thought he fought well. I expected Rose to crumble late, so good for him.

Now truss please see above.

Clearly someone who actually WATCHED the fight, and currently WATCHES fights.

Well done Haz.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 1:57 pm

shenglong2015 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:To be fair to Carson Jones, his best work has come at 147. The decision to hold a rematch at 158 lbs. was for Rose's benefit. Jones is no mug, regardless of his record. I thought he fought well. I expected Rose to crumble late, so good for him.

Now truss please see above.

Clearly someone who actually WATCHED the fight, and currently WATCHES fights.

Well done Haz.

I didn't realise Haz was giving Rose a glowing reference......But I don't watch fights you're right !! thumbsup

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 2:12 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
shenglong2015 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:To be fair to Carson Jones, his best work has come at 147. The decision to hold a rematch at 158 lbs. was for Rose's benefit. Jones is no mug, regardless of his record. I thought he fought well. I expected Rose to crumble late, so good for him.

Now truss please see above.

Clearly someone who actually WATCHED the fight, and currently WATCHES fights.

Well done Haz.

I didn't realise Haz was giving Rose a glowing reference......But I don't watch fights you're right !! thumbsup

Its obvious you dont watch fights. Thos with the biggest opinions about stuff normally know diddly squat.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 2:17 pm

Yep.. thumbsup

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Post by Coxy001 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 2:31 pm

Thing is you can't really apply the "If he had power he'd have been an ATG" - part of the reason those guys who are feather-fisted fight the way they do is because they have to be slick. Suddenly giving them Pacquiao power would naturally change the way they fight and may have simply been better slick fighters with no dig than fighters with a bit of a dig.

But for the sake of the thread:

Mayweather. If he'd carried power up he may be more fondly remembered with a highlight KO reel.

Calderon. Wouldn't have mattered much anyway as people like Truss don't watch the little guys.


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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 2:53 pm

Coxy001 wrote:Thing is you can't really apply the "If he had power he'd have been an ATG" - part of the reason those guys who are feather-fisted fight the way they do is because they have to be slick. Suddenly giving them Pacquiao power would naturally change the way they fight and may have simply been better slick fighters with no dig than fighters with a bit of a dig.

But for the sake of the thread:

Mayweather. If he'd carried power up he may be more fondly remembered with a highlight KO reel.

Calderon. Wouldn't have mattered much anyway as people like Truss don't watch the little guys.


Truss doent watch any fights.

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Post by Coxy001 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 3:14 pm

As evidenced by his woeful displays in the prediction league.


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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 3:21 pm

I dont understand how he holds so many opinions on modern fighters yet never watches them fight?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 3:30 pm

You boys can be so hurtful !! Crying or Very sad

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Post by Nico the gman Tue 04 Aug 2015, 4:28 pm

If Billy Conn could hit nobody touches him, great boxer and mover to start with,add power and your talking the complete package.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 4:43 pm

Had enough power to rock a heavyweight...

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Post by milkyboy Tue 04 Aug 2015, 4:56 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Had enough power to rock a heavyweight...

... and so it begins again!

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Post by Rowley Tue 04 Aug 2015, 4:56 pm

Conn’s power is a bit of a puzzler. He went pro relatively young and on the back of zero amateur fights so learnt his trade in the pros. Think his power was starting to develop at light heavy but by the time he was really starting to learn how to punch and had developed his fully matured power he moved up to heavyweight where any development was obviously masked. Not arguing he was a power puncher by any stretch but think he had a bit more of a dig than he got credit for. As Truss has alluded to Joe Louis certainly had little patience for the theory that Conn could not punch.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 5:02 pm

milkyboy wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Had enough power to rock a heavyweight...

... and so it begins again!

My intentions are entirely honorable !!!

Sad thing about Conn is he was a 170 pounder that dominated the 175 pounders.......If there had been a 168 division back then I imagine he'd be more than a footnote in history...

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 5:14 pm

I like the Tony Bellew one, just because I actually like him, mouthy piece of work, but bet hes a sound guy outside the ring. I was so hoping he would be a wrecking machine but sadly no to be.

What about Josh Warrington?

With power I reckon he takes out Selby.

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Post by milkyboy Tue 04 Aug 2015, 5:43 pm

some of the more famous light hitters put on a show with their defensive masstery. Would pep. locche etc have been so compelling if they were bangers too? Would have been fun to see locche clown around and then spark someone when he'd tired of showboating

whichever, I'll throw terry marsh, the josh warrington of the 80's into the mix

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Post by Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn Tue 04 Aug 2015, 7:03 pm

Truss losses sometimes mean nothing. Look at Salido or Kominsky for that fact. 2 guys who you just cant count out
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Post by mobilemaster8 Tue 04 Aug 2015, 8:17 pm

Paulie is the one for me. Calderon is also a good shout as well.

Wars would be more exciting if he had that power going for him.

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Post by jimdig Tue 04 Aug 2015, 10:48 pm

Calderon, floyd, Whitaker, would have been very different boxers with pop. Probably not as successful.

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Post by Nico the gman Wed 05 Aug 2015, 12:40 pm

Rowley wrote:Conn’s power is a bit of a puzzler. He went pro relatively young and on the back of zero amateur fights so learnt his trade in the pros. Think his power was starting to develop at light heavy but by the time he was really starting to learn how to punch and had developed his fully matured power he moved up to heavyweight where any development was obviously masked. Not arguing he was a power puncher by any stretch but think he had a bit more of a dig than he got credit for. As Truss has alluded to Joe Louis certainly had little patience for the theory that Conn could not punch.
I agree that he must have had a dig, but had he had KO power, would be hard to see who would have beat him at Lightheavy, beautifully skilled boxer.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 05 Aug 2015, 1:56 pm

I think it was just his style Nico........Said it himself "Back up, make the guy follow you, no roundhouses, If I go straight I get theirefirst !!"

Bit of a Michael Nunn of his day.....We all know that Nunn had plenty of power ...Parker,Kalambay, Roldan ..when he wanted to !!...

Against Louis - "I forgot everything that got me where I was for 12 rounds...Then again what is the point of being Irish if you can't do something stupid once in a while !!"

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Post by Nico the gman Wed 05 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I think it was just his style Nico........Said it himself "Back up, make the guy follow you, no roundhouses, If I go straight I get theirefirst !!"

Bit of a Michael Nunn of his day.....We all know that Nunn had plenty of power ...Parker,Kalambay, Roldan ..when he wanted to !!...

Against Louis - "I forgot everything that got me where I was for 12 rounds...Then again what is the point of being Irish if you can't do something stupid once in a while !!"
Conn just had to keep boxing and he just got a bit too clever, must have kicked himself 1000 times after that fight.

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