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Post by kwinigolfer Mon 10 Aug 2015, 4:16 am

First topic message reminder :

Possibly entering a Wi-Fi-Shy territory for a few days so let's kick the PGA Tour Notes off with a few ideas just to get a thread up and running:

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1).Wonderful golf from Shane Lowry, even if he did have to out-luck Bubba Watson on the 18th. Love Lowry's swing and love his short game. The first Irishman to win a WGC and can there be any real doubt that he's capable of emulating Padraig Harrington and winning a Major or three?
As it is, he collects, among other things, a 3-year PGA Tour exemption; now for the hard part, planning a schedule and figuring out what he wants of the next three years, not what everyone else wants of him.
And Lowry's win should allow Martin Laird to enter the PGA as first "alternate".

2).Lee Westwood was among a handful of golfers who finally earned a place in the FedEx Play-Offs, alongside Lowry apparently. (EDIT! Apparently GPB's Golf Channel link suggests this is erroneous and he still requires high finishes at the PGA and/or Greensboro - doubt Shane will be too bothered about that.)
Donaldson was one of a handful of Bridgestone golfers who missed an opportunity to join them. Disappointing finish from Justin Rose - lots of focus from the CBS crew on Justin's putting, striking the short putts on the heel and pulling them. May not have cost him the tournament but almost certainly cost him second place.

3).JJ Henry won the Barracuda Championship in a very exciting finish with eagle on the second play-off hole - not often that golfers lose after birdieing both play-off holes, but that's what Kyle Reifers did, after eagling three of his final six holes. Wonder if that's a Tour first?
One talking point next time the Rules Committee get together will be Andres Romero's decision, with a nod from Tour Officials, to tee off on his last four holes of Round 3 with a putter and pick up claiming a maximum double bogey Stableford score of -3, having earlier damaged his right hand by planting a right cross firmly into the 15th tee sign. The hand swelled up like Rory's ankle and he withdrew after his round, but should that have been allowed?

4).This week's PGA Championship will be at Whistling Straits, about an hour north of Milwaukee overlooking Lake Michigan, for the 3rd time in 12 years. Apart from the actual Championship, the week will go a long way towards finalising Presidents Cup teams and determining the last few qualifiers for the FedEx Play-Offs. Next week's action at Greensboro will represent the final event of the regular season, do or die for famous names and journeymen alike.
Meanwhile, reports suggest that Dustin's bunker has been replaced with spectator seating so he'll get a free drop next time instead of a devastating penalty.

5).Although Vijay and Martin Kaymer won the two previous PGA's played here, and Dustin, Rory and Bubba were narrowly defeated last time, other top five positions have been filled by some of the Tour's shorter hitters: Justin Leonard, DiMarco, Zach Johnson, Chris Riley and Elkington. These players "go again" after earning top 20 placings in 2004 and 2010:
2004: Singh, Els, Mickelson, Scott, Clarke, Toms.
2010: Kaymer, Watson, McIlroy, Dustin & Zach, Dufner, Villegas, Day, Kuchar, Mickelson, Casey, Schwartzel, Gallacher, Els, Watney.

Both previous trips to Whistling Straits have ended in play-offs. The next time Europe's best golfers get to see the course will be in 2020. Not sure who'll win this week (Fingers Crossed for Stenson), but have no doubt that the 2020 winners will be Europe's Ryder Cup Team!

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 11:35 am

Super

How long have you had an issue with black people?
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 11:37 am

I don't, and I don't know why anyone suggested I do.

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 11:45 am

super_realist wrote:I don't, and I don't know why anyone suggested I do.

Your first comment after the accusation wasn't exactly a denial.




Shane admits that he is tired after last week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/33873583

If he is tired on the Tuesday after a 9 hole practice round I doubt he will be in top condition come Sunday. From the comments he made in that interview I would suggest he would be happy to miss the cut and get on with a party back home.


Another point he should consider is not getting too cocky with his 2016 schedule. He would be battling a trend of over 5 years of double dipping failure to manage both tours, and would be mistaken to think he could get away with a light schedule like Adam Scott has tried over recent years. The field is so strong on the PGAT at the moment that you need to play at every opportunity in order to make the play offs.
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Post by navyblueshorts Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:15 pm

McLaren wrote:Super

How long have you had an issue with black people?
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Post by navyblueshorts Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:18 pm

McLaren wrote:...Shane admits that he is tired after last week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/33873583

If he is tired on the Tuesday after a 9 hole practice round I doubt he will be in top condition come Sunday.  From the comments he made in that interview I would suggest he would be happy to miss the cut and get on with a party back home...
Anyone can be tired Mac. Maybe he just hasn't got much sleep after Bridgestone? Maybe he had a good blowout as well? Maybe he's just tired having gone on an emotional ride and winning his first PGA event (and a WGC to boot)? Yep, maybe he's just tired. I wouldn't read a lot into it other than that if I were you.
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:21 pm

Navy, I was responding to this and wondered if I had missed a post or two where super had made comments that would warrant this accusation.

MontysMerkin wrote:Good job lowrys not black as well, I reckon super would be after lynching him!



As for a tired Lowry, I brought it up in the context of us discussing how his fitness impacts his game. Does anyone know if Lowry has issues performing well in back to back starts?
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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

McLaren wrote:Navy, I was responding to this and wondered if I had missed a post or two where super had made comments that would warrant this accusation.

MontysMerkin wrote:Good job lowrys not black as well, I reckon super would be after lynching him!



As for a tired Lowry, I brought it up in the context of us discussing how his fitness impacts his game.  Does anyone know if Lowry has issues performing well in back to back starts?

Judging by the vitriol reserved for 2 golfers, one could easily assume:
a) SR hates persons of a big fat nature
b) SR hates persons of a black nature
a)+b) = he REALLY hates big fat black persons.
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:56 pm

Super would not be alone as a golf fan who hates tiger due to his skin colour. Tiger has been a bit of a p**ck in press conferences and has been known to spit a little too often. Jack Nickluas has a history of support for pro-life politicians.

Guess which one the golf world is in love with and why the other is overly vilified?
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:57 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:
McLaren wrote:Navy, I was responding to this and wondered if I had missed a post or two where super had made comments that would warrant this accusation.

MontysMerkin wrote:Good job lowrys not black as well, I reckon super would be after lynching him!



As for a tired Lowry, I brought it up in the context of us discussing how his fitness impacts his game.  Does anyone know if Lowry has issues performing well in back to back starts?

Judging by the vitriol reserved for 2 golfers, one could easily assume:
a) SR hates persons of a big fat nature
b) SR hates persons of a black nature
a)+b) = he REALLY hates big fat black persons.

Monty, when have I EVER made mention of whether a golfer is black or white?


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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 12 Aug 2015, 12:59 pm

Note the word assume.
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:00 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:Note the word assume.

Well, it would be a silly assumption wouldn't it?, considering I've made no reference to disliking other black golfers.

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:10 pm

Super

You dislike all the african american major winners there have ever been. Explain that?
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:14 pm

Mac. Eff off you berk.

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:21 pm

Whats up with the humour bypass today sups?

Has the sexual frustration finally got to you? Run
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:23 pm

Mac, you haven't got any humour, you just come across as a contrary, belidgerant sh!t stirrer determined to annoy people.

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:27 pm

Super, go and have a quick five knuckle shuffle and come back when you are ready to get into the spirit of an exciting week in the world of golf. In the week of a major the buzz can get to any of us.

If you need something to think about could I suggest Simba's little chicken wing at impact, what a graceful sight. Erm
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:32 pm

Why do you call him Simba you moron?

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:35 pm

He has the same youthful beauty that young simba had. As I have said before the way he carries himself and his magnificent poise is just so reminiscent of simba.

And just wow, that little chicken wing motion is enough to make you want to sunk your teeth into his buttock.
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Post by super_realist Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:39 pm

What on earth are you on about. Simba was a complete bell end of a poster who used to be on here who got banned after an altercation with me, or some cartoon character on the Lion King. It's got nothing to do with any golfer.

By the way, if you've got a novelty head cover on your driver, i.e. a puppy, tiger, goose etc, you're a knob.

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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:41 pm

Well, well, fat, black with a novelty head cover and you are in the deepest doo doo with the worlds surliest haggis nosher (and that takes some doing!)
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Post by raycastleunited Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:43 pm

MontysMerkin wrote:Note the word assume.

That's a hell of an assumption... could equally say he hates people with 14 majors, or who wear red, or have been in nike adverts, or marry Swedish twins, or have Thai mothers, or dead fathers, or like throttling porn stars....

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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:45 pm

Super

I got a Tiger headcover for chirstmas of the year I took up golf.

PS the simba to which I refer is he of lion king fame.
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Post by MontysMerkin Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:45 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
MontysMerkin wrote:Note the word assume.

That's a hell of an assumption... could equally say he hates people with 14 majors, or who wear red, or have been in nike adverts, or marry Swedish twins, or have Thai mothers, or dead fathers, or like throttling porn stars....
Correct.
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 1:47 pm

Super

Just a thought, but wouldn't novelty headcovers provide decent humping material?
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Post by navyblueshorts Wed 12 Aug 2015, 3:26 pm

A little off-topic and, critically, boring as $*&!. Let's not ruin one of Kwini's excellent threads. Do it on the 'Anything goes' thread please.
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 3:56 pm

Shane may be fat but is he as weak as martin Kaymer. When Kaymer was asked about winning the Wanamaker, he replied;

Martin Kaymer wrote:It was super heavy. You struggle at some stage to hold it up. I'm not the Hulk.

Is it better to be slim but weak or fat and strong?
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Post by incontinentia Wed 12 Aug 2015, 3:59 pm

Kaymer is plenty strong, I'd say he was just being jocular
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 4:22 pm

Actually didn't super say he though Kaymer had a good physique? So, super isn't into black guys but likes the aryan thing? Shocked
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 5:39 pm

Easy way to finish off a 59

http://www.golfdigest.com/blogs/the-loop/2015/08/video-easiest-putt-to-shoot-59-ever.html?mbid=social_twitter
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Post by McLaren Wed 12 Aug 2015, 7:27 pm

What did Rory think about missing the open?

Rory McIlroy wrote:I didn't miss it as much as I thought I would, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing.
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Post by pedro Wed 12 Aug 2015, 8:34 pm

Tiger is like a coconut. More black on the outside than inside. In fact he's quarter white, quarter asian, quarter native and quarter black (or something like that.)

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Post by incontinentia Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:49 am

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Post by McLaren Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:24 am

The mickelson insider trading story doesn't seem to be going away.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/12/us-probes-dean-foods-ex-chairs-connection-to-mickelson.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

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Post by Bob_the_Job Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:43 am

McLaren wrote:The mickelson insider trading story doesn't seem to be going away.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/12/us-probes-dean-foods-ex-chairs-connection-to-mickelson.html?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed


Davis tells Walters who tells Michleson...at what stage does it stop being insider trading? If Michleson had told me and I'd acted on it would I be investigated too? Surely there must come a point when it's no longer insider trading and more reacting to 2nd hand gossip and rumour? If the SEC want to really prevent insider trading, they need to cut it off at source, not go after those that subsequently get given information. Of course, if Michleson solicited the information, then the complexion changes dramatically.
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Post by McLaren Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:57 am

I cannot comment on the legalities of what constitutes insider trading but Mickelson must have known the information he received about Dean Foods spinning off a subsidiary came via the process of insider trading.  Whether it is legal or not for him to act on that must be a pretty grey area and given his current level of privilege it is hard to see how acting on that information could bring any further benefits to Phil, it could only be troublesome or worse.

At the end of the article it states
WSJ wrote:The WSJ has previously reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) had looked into potential trading by Mickelson in Dean Foods. The golfer is at the center of a larger investigation into insider trading.

Further to the dean foods issue he still seems to be under suspicion as part of further insider trading shenanigans.  

Should this ever come to anything it will make Tigers fire hydrant crash and associated escapades look like mere tomfoolery.
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Post by super_realist Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:01 am

If it's legal, there's no grey area.

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Post by McLaren Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:08 am

Super

Do you know if it is legal or not?

I made the clear point that when your are as rich and high profile as Phil is why would you place investments based on information which is once removed from the 1st link in a chain of insider trading.
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Post by super_realist Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:14 am

I don't, but you were saying if it was legal, then there is a grey area, Is there? If it's legal, it's legal. Who cares really. It's Mickelson's issue to deal with.

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Post by pedro Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:30 am

And what if you overhear something at the pub? I think it’s always a concrete evaluation if falls within insider trading or not.

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Post by McLaren Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:33 am

Pedro/super

Do you really think that the law would be written in such clear terms that someone with as much to loose as Mickelson would be best advised to place investments based on information acquired so closely from first hand insider trading?

This I don't get "it’s always a concrete evaluation if falls within insider trading or not". Well of course it is insider trading once it has been decided it is insider trading. The grey are would be the months of court battles deciding whether it was or was not insider trading.
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Post by super_realist Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:36 am

Mac, who cares. Why are you so obsessed with the "Hello" type lifestyle of golfers. Get back to Sky Living and E4.

You don't know it's illegal, so until you do, why bother speculating?

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Post by MontysMerkin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 11:36 am

The law is always written in such a way that if you can afford to fight it you will be ok (esp in USA), so yes there is always a grey area (depending on your financial circumstances)
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Post by pedro Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:14 pm

mac, what I'm saying is that there's no clear definition of what insider trading it.

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Post by McLaren Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:35 pm

That is what I was saying, and hence why you would just stay clear of anything that had a sniff of insider trading about it if you had as much to loose as big Philly has.
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Post by sirbenson Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:43 pm

There is supposed to be a wind today! Bring it on!

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Post by I'm never wrong Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:45 pm

Interesting counter argument to all those who stated that McIlroy wouldn't be fit for the PGA or any more tournaments this year in the Daily Telegraph. LINK HERE

The writer James Corrigan mentions that Bastian Schweinsteiger came back from a similar injury in less time - and he plays a more aggressive type of sport. (Whether you regard football as a more aggressive type of sport is for another argument Very Happy )

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Post by pedro Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:51 pm

I wasn't referring to Phil's case as such, it was a general statement about insider trading.

With that being said you were assuming that Phil knew he was involved dodgy business. Maybe, maybe not. You can't draw that conclusion up front.

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Post by sirbenson Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:56 pm

Good to see the play by play is working again!

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Post by sirbenson Thu 13 Aug 2015, 12:58 pm

Why the hell is Matsuyama not in a higher profile pairing?

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Post by SmithersJones Thu 13 Aug 2015, 1:01 pm

I'm never wrong wrote:Interesting counter argument to all those who stated that McIlroy wouldn't be fit for the PGA or any more tournaments this year in the Daily Telegraph. LINK HERE

The writer James Corrigan mentions that Bastian Schweinsteiger came back from a similar injury in less time - and he plays a more aggressive type of sport. (Whether you regard football as a more aggressive type of sport is for another argument  Very Happy )

He's right of course, but I do find it amusing that any journalist, much less a Telegraph journalist, should call people hypocrites and criticise them for wild and uninformed speculation.
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