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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:25 am

This is what Kyrgios did to gain advantage over Wawrinka in their 2nd round match in Montreal

http://thebiglead.com/2015/08/12/nick-kyrgios-to-stan-wawrinka-kokkinakis-banged-your-girlfriend-sorry-to-tell-you-that-mate/

Not only is it cheating but it should in my opinion been punished with a code violation. I believe it should have been judged as a major incident of aggravated behavior and should have resulted in Kyrgios being defaulted. It could be considered verbal abuse, unsportsmanlike behavior and conduct contrary to the integrity of the game. According to the ATP rule book a singularly egregious, a single violation of any of these offenses shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior. This carries a penalty of immediate default and can also result in suspension from the ATP tour.

So why was Kyrgios not penalized? If the Umpire didn't hear at the time penalties can be given retrospectively when evidence is discovered. My guess is that the ATP is so worried about selling the game post FeDal they are will even stoop to selling it as a circus Kyrgios is probably being paid more for this sort of behavior (in endorsements) than he is for his tennis skills Rolling Eyes It is also a way of gaining advantage in matches that doesn't involve tennis skills at all Rolling Eyes

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Post by Born Slippy Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:32 am

I would have thought he will get a suspension for this. Guy is clearly out of control.

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Post by temporary21 Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:34 am

Yeah that's unacceptable behaviour.  You don't do that.  He should be suspended, there's a little niggle and then there's that

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Post by erictheblueuk Thu 13 Aug 2015, 2:00 pm

I know it's bad but if he didn't use an audible obscenity I'm struggling to see what rule he broke.
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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 2:56 pm

erictheblueuk wrote:I know it's bad but if he didn't use an audible obscenity I'm struggling to see what rule he broke.

I suspected that there would be some who would defend him...

He didn't break the rule on audible obscenity. That quite rightly carries lighter penalties than those given for verbal abuse, unsportsmanlike behavior and conduct contrary to the integrity of the game. What Kyrgios said was a code violation of any or all of these rules. As I have already mentioned according to the ATP rule book a singularly egregious, a single violation of any of these offenses shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior. This carries a penalty of immediate default and can also result in suspension from the ATP tour.

IMO what he did was serious enough to be considered a major offense of aggravated behavior and should have been penalized as such.

In addition anyone who was aggrieved by what Kyrgios said in public would likely have grounds for civil action against both Kyrgios and perhaps the ATP for allowing him to say what he did.

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Post by erictheblueuk Thu 13 Aug 2015, 3:34 pm

I think you guys are over reacting this is just a childish immature comment that should be punished with a warning or a fine at worst. Unless it turns out not to be true, which could then make him liable for slander.
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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 3:43 pm

This is what Stan had to say about it.

So disappointing to see a fellow athlete and colleague be so disrespectful in a way I could never even imagine.

What was said I wouldn't say to my worst enemy. To stop so low is not only unacceptable but also beyond belief.

There is no need for this kind of behaviour on or off the court and I hope the governing body of this sport does not stand...

for this and stands up for the integrity of this sport that we have worked so hard to build.

https://twitter.com/stanwawrinka

I agree with him

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Post by erictheblueuk Thu 13 Aug 2015, 4:16 pm

There is no rule in tennis to cover disrespectful comments.
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Post by Scottrf Thu 13 Aug 2015, 4:20 pm

Kyrgios making friends again...

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Post by erictheblueuk Thu 13 Aug 2015, 4:48 pm

"ATP Fines Kyrgios for 'Insulting Remark' Toward Wawrinka":-

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/stan-wawrinka-urges-action-nick-kyrgios-33054608
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Post by Guest Thu 13 Aug 2015, 5:39 pm

Apparently Wawrinka didn't hear the comment during the match. I wouldn't call it cheating. Just a disgraceful insult.

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Post by erictheblueuk Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:05 pm

"Nick Kyrgios: ATP fines Australian for Stanislas Wawrinka jibe":-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33916365
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:15 pm

hawkeye wrote:
So disappointing to see a fellow athlete and colleague be so disrespectful in a way I could never even imagine.

What was said I wouldn't say to my worst enemy. To stop so low is not only unacceptable but also beyond belief.

There is no need for this kind of behaviour on or off the court and I hope the governing body of this sport does not stand...

for this and stands up for the integrity of this sport that we have worked so hard to build.

https://twitter.com/stanwawrinka

I agree with him

Massive over reaction from Stan that, the comment was slightly below the below belt but you'd think he threatened to kill his whole family judging by those comments, an off the cuff jibe nothing more.

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:24 pm

To be fair to Kokinnakis, I would hit that as well.

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Post by It Must Be Love Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:25 pm

A fine is proportionate here, I think a suspension is OTT.

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Post by It Must Be Love Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:25 pm

Kyrgios is basically showing himself to be a d*ck though, not sure tennis fans in general will warm to that.

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 6:38 pm

I think Wawrinka is living up to Mirka's description of him. If he doesn't like it, he should give it back to Krygios. It was much better in the 'olden' days when this kind of banter was normal. Nowadays people think they have a right not to be offended. Unpleasant? Yes, should it be punished? Hell no.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Thu 13 Aug 2015, 7:15 pm

picard Banter !!!!??? my ar$$
Punishable ?? of course it is

It is not what people want to see or hear paying a small fortune for a court side seat. He is not bigger than the sport
it can do without him and players like him

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 7:29 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:picard Banter !!!!??? my ar$$
Punishable ?? of course it is

It is not what people want to see or hear paying a small fortune for a court side seat. He is not bigger than the sport
it can do without him and players like him

I think any spectators that heard it would enjoy it as a talking point. I don't think they would say 'I am disgusted by this man' and leave lol.

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 7:31 pm

This kind of friction between players adds to the game. Yes it's nice to have respectful rivalries like Borg-McEnroe, Fed-Nadal, but it's also good to have two players who exchange banter.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Thu 13 Aug 2015, 7:48 pm

What seems to have escaped some people's notice, especially those who find it somewhat amusing, elbow elbow nudge nudge Friday night with the boys over a pint smutty type humour Rolling Eyes .. That we are speaking of two people here.. forget Stan, (the age of chivalry for him at least is not dead) what about his girlfriend who is the real victim in all this.

What inference is being made about this young lady's morals. And even if it were true do you think it is fair on her and indeed his friend to have this blasted out on  a tennis court in front of thousands, and indeed now millions, what right does this loud mouthed oaf have to make such derogatory remarks to her Boyfriend just so he can score points..

It really does speak volumes about some of the posters on here who think what he has done is acceptable
All adds a little spice to a match I suppose and when discussing this kind of behaviour it becomes trivial compared to the greatest crime of all....time violations: Shocked

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Post by Haddie-nuff Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:17 pm

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/tennis/33916365

Reluctantly I think
However, though I doubt it, he may have learned a valuable lesson

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:52 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:What seems to have escaped some people's notice, especially those who find it somewhat amusing, elbow elbow nudge nudge Friday night with the boys over a pint smutty type  humour Rolling Eyes .. That we are speaking of two people here.. forget Stan, (the age of chivalry for him at least  is not dead) what about his girlfriend who is the real victim in all this.

What inference is being made about this young lady's morals. And even if it were true do you think it is fair on her and indeed his friend  to have this blasted out on  a tennis court in front of thousands, and indeed now millions, what right does this loud mouthed oaf have to make such derogatory remarks to her Boyfriend just so he can score points..

It really does speak volumes about some of the posters on here who think what he has done is acceptable
All adds a little spice to a match I suppose  and  when discussing this kind of behaviour it becomes trivial compared to the greatest crime of all....time violations: Shocked

I don't get that implication at all. There was no indication that it happened after Stan and Vekic got together. Yes I agree that such a fuss being made over it is difficult for her.

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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:19 pm

Nick Kyrgios has apologised after being fined $10,000 (£6,400) for an "insulting remark" he made to Stanislas Wawrinka during their Rogers Cup match.

The Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) said that it is still reviewing the matter and "additional penalties may be forthcoming" for world number 41 Kyrgios.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/33916365

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Post by Haddie-nuff Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:28 pm

greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:What seems to have escaped some people's notice, especially those who find it somewhat amusing, elbow elbow nudge nudge Friday night with the boys over a pint smutty type  humour Rolling Eyes .. That we are speaking of two people here.. forget Stan, (the age of chivalry for him at least  is not dead) what about his girlfriend who is the real victim in all this.

What inference is being made about this young lady's morals. And even if it were true do you think it is fair on her and indeed his friend  to have this blasted out on  a tennis court in front of thousands, and indeed now millions, what right does this loud mouthed oaf have to make such derogatory remarks to her Boyfriend just so he can score points..

It really does speak volumes about some of the posters on here who think what he has done is acceptable
All adds a little spice to a match I suppose  and  when discussing this kind of behaviour it becomes trivial compared to the greatest crime of all....time violations: Shocked

I don't get that implication at all. There was no indication that it happened after Stan and Vekic got together. Yes I agree that such a fuss being made over it is difficult for her.

No again you miss the point. its not the fuss being made over it ..it is that the loud mouthed yob said it in the first place.
Who the bloody hell does he think he is making those remarks about a girl he does not know for the world and his wife to hear because he simply felt like it.. Whether it is true or not is not the point...he calls himself a sportsman
don't make me laugh... John McEnroe was banned from matches for less. He is a jerk

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Post by greengoblin Thu 13 Aug 2015, 9:55 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:What seems to have escaped some people's notice, especially those who find it somewhat amusing, elbow elbow nudge nudge Friday night with the boys over a pint smutty type  humour Rolling Eyes .. That we are speaking of two people here.. forget Stan, (the age of chivalry for him at least  is not dead) what about his girlfriend who is the real victim in all this.

What inference is being made about this young lady's morals. And even if it were true do you think it is fair on her and indeed his friend  to have this blasted out on  a tennis court in front of thousands, and indeed now millions, what right does this loud mouthed oaf have to make such derogatory remarks to her Boyfriend just so he can score points..

It really does speak volumes about some of the posters on here who think what he has done is acceptable
All adds a little spice to a match I suppose  and  when discussing this kind of behaviour it becomes trivial compared to the greatest crime of all....time violations: Shocked

I don't get that implication at all. There was no indication that it happened after Stan and Vekic got together. Yes I agree that such a fuss being made over it is difficult for her.

No again you miss the point. its not the fuss being made over it ..it is that the loud mouthed yob said it in the first place.
Who the bloody hell does he think he is making those remarks about a girl he does not know for the world and his wife to hear because he simply felt like it.. Whether it is true or not is not the point...he calls himself a sportsman
don't make me laugh... John McEnroe was banned from matches for less. He is a jerk

I think I'll agree to disagree on this one Haddie. I will end with this thought however. A lot of people have bemoaned the loss of the fierce and tempestuous rivalries of old (myself included). They won't return unless the atp ceases it's overbearing behaviour and lets the players battle it out in mind and body.

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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:03 pm

^ greengoblin. Yes there are people who enjoy this sort of thing. Maybe they should watch the likes of Jeremy Kyle. They may find it more entertaining. Most tennis fans I presume watch tennis because they enjoy watching something else entirely...

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Post by temporary21 Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:04 pm

Ivan Lendl, John Mcenroe, even Jimmy for the most part never stooped that low. Its not even hurt the player, or directed at the player, its invaded the privacy of a woman outside the game, and another guy. Thats crossed a line and the ATP need to make sure players know it.

Its not tempestuous, its cowardly and childish, Federer is as fierce as they come and barely ever says anything, hes clever enough to let his tennis speak

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Post by Henman Bill Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:34 pm

I was watching some of the match last night and I finally saw through Kyrgios. I realized that he is not just a youngster who is a little outspoken in need of guidance who will improve later. No, he is a bad person and a fool. That is exactly what I was thinking last night and I knew nothing of the reported comment. I believe that happened after I turned off. It all just clicked for me.

This morning when I saw a headline "tennis player fined for lewd comment" I instantly thought "bet that's Kyrgios".

By the way, Leyton "tell me what the similarity is" Hewitt is literally the worst coach he could have. He needs someone to temper his character so he can at least become more mellow (let's not kid oursleves he will never be a saint) and Hewitt is about equally as much of a tw@t.

Incidentally, his tennis level is looking sharp. Warwinka was a little off but not much.

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Post by Henman Bill Thu 13 Aug 2015, 10:37 pm

The fact that tennis doesn't suffer from many Krgyios's is what sets it apart from other sports like football. In football, people probably say such things all the time and it doesn't even register.

That said, I probably agree with not suspending him.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Fri 14 Aug 2015, 6:51 am

greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:What seems to have escaped some people's notice, especially those who find it somewhat amusing, elbow elbow nudge nudge Friday night with the boys over a pint smutty type  humour Rolling Eyes .. That we are speaking of two people here.. forget Stan, (the age of chivalry for him at least  is not dead) what about his girlfriend who is the real victim in all this.

What inference is being made about this young lady's morals. And even if it were true do you think it is fair on her and indeed his friend  to have this blasted out on  a tennis court in front of thousands, and indeed now millions, what right does this loud mouthed oaf have to make such derogatory remarks to her Boyfriend just so he can score points..

It really does speak volumes about some of the posters on here who think what he has done is acceptable
All adds a little spice to a match I suppose  and  when discussing this kind of behaviour it becomes trivial compared to the greatest crime of all....time violations: Shocked

I don't get that implication at all. There was no indication that it happened after Stan and Vekic got together. Yes I agree that such a fuss being made over it is difficult for her.

No again you miss the point. its not the fuss being made over it ..it is that the loud mouthed yob said it in the first place.
Who the bloody hell does he think he is making those remarks about a girl he does not know for the world and his wife to hear because he simply felt like it.. Whether it is true or not is not the point...he calls himself a sportsman
don't make me laugh... John McEnroe was banned from matches for less. He is a jerk

I think I'll agree to disagree on this one Haddie. I will end with this thought however. A lot of people have bemoaned the loss of the fierce and tempestuous rivalries of old (myself included). They won't return unless the atp ceases it's overbearing behaviour and  lets the players battle it out in mind and body.


I think in doing so you are disagreeing with everyone else also. This has nothing to do with banter or rivalry this is an invasion of someone's privacy shame you cant see that.
NB Note temporary's last post.. he is singing from my hymn sheet. Said more succinctly than I.

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Post by hawkeye Fri 14 Aug 2015, 7:55 am

Statement from the players council regarding the incident. Not sure how to paste it here so just a link.

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/631996614345887744

According to this the ATP are deciding whether to take further action

The $10,000 is the maximum fine allowed by the ATP rule book for incidents of verbal abuse or unsportsmanlike conduct. Also, the ATP fined Kyrgios an additional $2,500 for unsportsmanlike conduct related to a comment made to a ball person during the match. The tour said Kyrgios has been served with a ''Notice of Investigation,'' which begins a process to determine if his actions also constitute a violation of the ''Player Major Offense'' provisions set forth under ''Aggravated Behavior'' or ''Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game.''

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2015/08/stan-wawrinka-urges-action-against-nick-kyrgios/55914/#.Vc2OXPk3nkE

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Post by bogbrush Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:45 am

Henman Bill wrote:I was watching some of the match last night and I finally saw through Kyrgios. I realized that he is not just a youngster who is a little outspoken in need of guidance who will improve later. No, he is a bad person and a fool. That is exactly what I was thinking last night and I knew nothing of the reported comment. I believe that happened after I turned off. It all just clicked for me.

This morning when I saw a headline "tennis player fined for lewd comment" I instantly thought "bet that's Kyrgios".

By the way, Leyton "tell me what the similarity is" Hewitt is literally the worst coach he could have. He needs someone to temper his character so he can at least become more mellow (let's not kid oursleves he will never be a saint) and Hewitt is about equally as much of a tw@t.

Incidentally, his tennis level is looking sharp. Warwinka was a little off but not much.
Yeah, this is how I see him.

This won't be his last exhibition of dickery.
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Post by Danny_1982 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:49 am

I love a feisty battle, and I'm all for intense aggressive rivalries and most forms of sledging. However this oversteps the mark for me because the victim is Stan's girlfriend. She's the one who looks bad here. And ok, Kyrgios hasn't killed anyone or threatened someone... But he has shown an unbelievable level of disrespect. It's playground stuff, but it's still awful behaviour.

Ultimately, sponsors will move away from him for this I imagine and that's where he'll be hit hardest.

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Post by Henman Bill Fri 14 Aug 2015, 3:48 pm

Was his sledge supposed to be in response to one from Warwinka? And if so, do we know what Stan was saying?

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Post by hawkeye Fri 14 Aug 2015, 6:01 pm

According to Lief Shiras a 20 year old is not mature enough to understand that it is wrong to behave as he did. A 20 year old only has a very low level of emotional intelligence. What he did was just an "accident".

In that case should players under 21 be allowed to play on the ATP tour. Maybe all young people under 21 should be kept under close supervision if their emotional intelligence is as low as that of Kyrgios Erm

Obviously the views of anyone under 21 on this issue are not relevant because it is something that "young people" are not capable of understanding...

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 14 Aug 2015, 6:50 pm

It seems here that Kyrgios crime is his lack of wit.

Rod Marsh: So how is your wife and my kids?

Ian Botham: Wife's fine. Kid's are retarded.

Genius.

This has been blown out of all proportion. Mainly by the 'Holier than thou, I've never made a mistake in my life, let me stick my oar in other peoples business' brigade.

It's a race to the bottom in terms of being offended. And therefore everyone should act so or you will be condemned by the righteous.

Kyrgios is clearly an idiot. A fool who has shot himself in the foot (numerous times now) and is getting a reputation where fans and sponsors (well the blue chip ones) won't touch him with a barge pole. Treat him as such. I personally shall never be a fan. I would wager that all those "involved" have long moved on - and this from an incident which happened less than 48 hours ago.

What makes me laugh is that people think these people don't exist in society and act outraged when someone does. Just because they become sportsman/women doesn't suddenly make them immune from such idiocy.

He's had his fine - but his punishment is more long term in that his reputation is in the gutter already. It certainly doesn't warrant a suspension (or the death sentence; of which I'm expecting an online petition to be set up for anytime now).

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Post by Haddie-nuff Fri 14 Aug 2015, 7:07 pm

I just wonder if you were the father, or the elder brother of the young lady in question whether your idea of a suitable punishment might be a little less lenient. She is the person that should  be shown some respect in all this.

This is not all about what happened on a tennis court.. it has far  reaching and more serious implications than that in my view. Lets be totally honest Kyrigos conduct has been brought into question too many times considering the length of his career. God knows what stunt he will pull next if he is allowed to continue..McEnroe was suspended for far less
The line has to be drawn now

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Post by TRuffin Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:11 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:I just wonder if you were the father, or the elder brother of the young lady in question whether your idea of  a suitable   punishment might be a little  less lenient. She is the person that should  be shown some respect in all this.

This is not all about what happened on a tennis court.. it has far  reaching and more serious implications than that in my view. Lets be totally honest Kyrigos conduct has been brought into question too many times considering the length of his career. God knows what stunt he will pull next if he is allowed to continue..McEnroe was suspended for far less
The line has to be drawn now

I agree with Haddie.

It's one thing to criticize each other on the field, court, ring.  That's part of the game.   He could have easily said to Stan- you're an .......    and it would be a "so what"    However, he brought up a totally innocent person who has nothing to do with the match.  Someone who may or may not want her sexual history told to the world---  but no matter what- should be the one to control that.

It has always been a important "unwritten" rule in all professional sports that family, kids, wifes, girlfriends are left out of the trash talk. Any athlete knows that is a line you don't cross, and if you do- it can have some serious repercussions in the locker room.  I've sat ringside while fighters say the nastiest stuff on earth to each other in clinches, and never is someone like a mom or a wife mentioned.  IT just doesn't happen.

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:15 pm

What you would want me to do if I were the Father or Elder Brother of this young (but adult) lady in question who is ultimately, responsible for her own actions? Challenge the man to a duel? Pistols at dawn? As her father or brother, the comments weren't made to me. Daddy can't go rushing in every time someone makes an (accurate) comment about his daughter. How do you think that would look?

Are they incorrect? It seems not. She (and her family) will know that being a professional sportsperson, your life will be in the microscope even more. Dating/sleeping with other professional sportsmen (in the same sport) is even more likely to increase scrutiny.

These kind of comments on a sports field involving a third party who is not present, have been going on since time immemorial. I have no idea what these far reaching and serious implications are that you refer to? Are they physical? Are they psychotic?

This may shock you, but they happen every weekend in amateur and semi-professional sport across the land. Even now. The majority are laughed off. Another large chunk get shot down. A very tiny proportion start crying. The people involved here know the pitfalls of living a public life. They will be fine.

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

Truffin, it does happen. It happens all the while. I quoted just one example with Beefy. There are countless others. And those are the ones we know about.

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Post by Guest Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:27 pm

Yes but when comparing incidents as such, let's compare apples with apples. 

The Botham/Marsh incident was in the middle of a field where I doubt any spectators in the crowd heard it. I know that doesn't make it any more right, just that that kind of thing wouldn't have come to light had the parties involved not said a word. 

The Kyrgios/Wawrinka situation is where Stan pointed out to Kyrgios to slow down to allow the relevant personnel get into position on court. It's a fair point. I fail to see how Kyrgios got from a simple request to "oh my mate banged your missus" 

Not my idea of wit.

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Post by temporary21 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:28 pm

Johnyjeep wrote:It seems here that Kyrgios crime is his lack of wit.

Rod Marsh: So how is your wife and my kids?

Ian Botham: Wife's fine. Kid's are retarded.

Genius.

This has been blown out of all proportion. Mainly by the 'Holier than thou, I've never made a mistake in my life, let me stick my oar in other peoples business' brigade.

It's a race to the bottom in terms of being offended. And therefore everyone should act so or you will be condemned by the righteous.

Kyrgios is clearly an idiot. A fool who has shot himself in the foot (numerous times now) and is getting a reputation where fans and sponsors (well the blue chip ones) won't touch him with a barge pole. Treat him as such. I personally shall never be a fan. I would wager that all those "involved" have long moved on - and this from an incident which happened less than 48 hours ago.

What makes me laugh is that people think these people don't exist in society and act outraged when someone does. Just because they become sportsman/women doesn't suddenly make them immune from such idiocy.

He's had his fine - but his punishment is more long term in that his reputation is in the gutter already. It certainly doesn't warrant a suspension (or the death sentence; of which I'm expecting an online petition to be set up for anytime now).

Apart from in real life, people like that dont tend to do very well. This is business

Nadal and Federer set the template 10 years ago. Gentlemen who treated each other with utmost respect and let their tennis talk is what the games huge status has been based on. It looks very bad to let petulant children act like bad footballers in tennis, its in their interest to take a hard stance on this, suspension maybe not, but hes done enough now to warrant a final warning.

In real life you can easily let slide a dig aimed at you as boyish humour... having a go at your partner will have you on the floor though, thats the difference.

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Post by temporary21 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:30 pm

Also the difference with Marsh and Botham is they had genuine respect for eachother, theyd have a barbie at Ians house afterwards, Kygios didnt

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Post by Haddie-nuff Fri 14 Aug 2015, 8:39 pm

What you would want me to do if I were the Father or Elder Brother of this young (but adult) lady in question who is ultimately, responsible for her own actions? Challenge the man to a duel? Pistols at dawn? As her father or brother, the comments weren't made to me. Daddy can't go rushing in every time someone makes an (accurate) comment about his daughter. How do you think that would look?


You simply don't get it do you??? Fortunately the majority of posters on here do..as do the tennis world who are tearing him to pieces.
This girl had nothing whatsoever to do with the match on court ...her private life is hers to tell if she so chooses, BUT SHE DIDNT DID SHE.. he did. Its called, for your information, ungentlemanly conduct..you know, something nice men do not do simples Erm .

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:20 pm

I should have known this would happen tbh. A binary debate.

I am not condoning what he said. I disagree with it. I myself have never personally abused anyone. I know what ungentlemanly conduct is having played semi-professionally across three sports. I know how to conduct myself as a player and for the teams I captain/manage - I make it crystal clear what is acceptable and what is not in terms of behaviour and standards. I don't need to be told, for your information, what ungentlemanly conduct is.

What I am saying, is that you cannot legislate for idiots. I believe I made that clear in my original post what my opinion of him was. Sport is a microcosm of society. Being a professional sportsman does not make you immune from being an idiot.

If an idiot has information, it is impossible to legislate for how they will use that information. Krygios used it in an unacceptable, crude fashion that was not witty, clever or it would seem purposeful - as no one heard it originally. That in itself shows him to be a coward. He is rightly being chastised from pillar to post.

My problem is this outrage from the righteous/PC brigade that such a thing should happen and that there is a third party involved. It happens all the time in sport. Between players who respect each other and those that don't. Whether the two players respect each other, or whether there is a microphone present, matters not. There's a reason that the stump microphones are not permanently switched on when you are watching cricket on TV.

Yes, it is her life but she cannot control how individuals will use what they know about her. Regrettably of course. She's an adult and will know this. As will her family. The information he revealed I would guess was not a secret to anyone who was interested already. I didn't know, but then I'm not interested. And I'm still not. She's in the public life dating people also in the public life. It comes with the territory I'm afraid. Is it right? No. Is it modern life, undoubtedly, yes.

Again, I don't know what these far reaching implications are? If anyone reading about this whole incident views Kyrgios as some kind of role model, with respect, they have far bigger problems.

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Post by hawkeye Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:47 pm

Johnyjeep wrote:

What I am saying, is that you cannot legislate for idiots.

Is Krygios an idiot? The point is the ATP has the power to ban or suspend any player who doesn't play by it's rules. If the ATP wants to become an entertainment to rival the Jeremy Kyle show it can allow or even encourage this behavior. If not it should have rules that don't allow it. At present the ATP does have such rules.

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Post by Johnyjeep Fri 14 Aug 2015, 9:56 pm

hawkeye wrote:
Johnyjeep wrote:

What I am saying, is that you cannot legislate for idiots.

Is Krygios an idiot? The point is the ATP has the power to ban or suspend any player who doesn't play by it's rules. If the ATP wants to become an entertainment to rival the Jeremy Kyle show it can allow or even encourage this behavior. If not it should have rules that don't allow it. At present the ATP does have such rules.

I think I've made it clear that I think he is. However he won't be suspended. And certainly not banned. My guess is that at the most - he'll get a suspended suspension (if that's a thing)! Which I think would be about right.

I've been thinking though it would have been great if Stan did hear though. I reckon he would have gone all Zinedene Zidane on him! I get the feeling he is capable.

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Post by hawkeye Fri 14 Aug 2015, 10:07 pm

Johnyjeep wrote:

I've been thinking though it would have been great if Stan did hear though. I reckon he would have gone all Zinedene Zidane on him! I get the feeling he is capable.

Skip the tennis you could be watching this instead

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jeremy+kyle

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Post by temporary21 Fri 14 Aug 2015, 10:09 pm

People's private life is private. Who she dates is of no interest to the public.  Just "it happens" isn't good enough a line needs to be drawn under that

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