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Post by hawkeye Thu 13 Aug 2015, 8:25 am

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This is what Kyrgios did to gain advantage over Wawrinka in their 2nd round match in Montreal

http://thebiglead.com/2015/08/12/nick-kyrgios-to-stan-wawrinka-kokkinakis-banged-your-girlfriend-sorry-to-tell-you-that-mate/

Not only is it cheating but it should in my opinion been punished with a code violation. I believe it should have been judged as a major incident of aggravated behavior and should have resulted in Kyrgios being defaulted. It could be considered verbal abuse, unsportsmanlike behavior and conduct contrary to the integrity of the game. According to the ATP rule book a singularly egregious, a single violation of any of these offenses shall also constitute the player Major Offense of Aggravated Behavior. This carries a penalty of immediate default and can also result in suspension from the ATP tour.

So why was Kyrgios not penalized? If the Umpire didn't hear at the time penalties can be given retrospectively when evidence is discovered. My guess is that the ATP is so worried about selling the game post FeDal they are will even stoop to selling it as a circus Kyrgios is probably being paid more for this sort of behavior (in endorsements) than he is for his tennis skills Rolling Eyes It is also a way of gaining advantage in matches that doesn't involve tennis skills at all Rolling Eyes

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 12:04 pm

It Must Be Love wrote:I'm actually starting to think now that what Kyrgios did was for the good of the sport. We need a villain, or an inspirational story about a young bad boy Aussie turned good and became a humble champion.


What he has done should be remembered and learned from by any young players coming into the sport which has thus far been held in high regard by all tbose who play and take pleasure in watching it. It certainly does not need this kind of negative publicity. There are and have been too many great players that have denounced him for this behaviour he has shamed himself, his friends, his country and the sport.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue 18 Aug 2015, 1:38 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
It Must Be Love wrote:I'm actually starting to think now that what Kyrgios did was for the good of the sport. We need a villain, or an inspirational story about a young bad boy Aussie turned good and became a humble champion.


What he has done should be remembered and learned from by any young players coming into the sport which has thus far been held in high regard by all tbose who play and take pleasure in watching it. It certainly does not need this kind of negative publicity. There are and have been too many great players that have denounced him for this behaviour he has shamed himself, his friends, his country and the sport.
And everyone has had great fun at dong so, let's be honest.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 1:41 pm

Yeah well what other response would I expect Rolling Eyes ???

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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 2:04 pm

hawkeye wrote:
Jahu wrote:

Korgi and Koki should be deported from Australia, to some isolated crappy greek island and let them chill a year or so, to man them up.

Kokkinakis was one of the victims in this.

Koki was victim?

Why would he tell Korgi who is he banging? Boy talk after McDonalds dating.

Its the nasty mentality at work, couple of junkies with some money from a foreign land, who think have achieved something and can behave like right gits, nothing new here.

Sure well done to Stan for keeping his cool head, I'm sure a SHBH from him, would of broken to 100 pieces Korgies jaw.

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Post by hawkeye Tue 18 Aug 2015, 3:35 pm

Jahu wrote:
hawkeye wrote:
Jahu wrote:

Korgi and Koki should be deported from Australia, to some isolated crappy greek island and let them chill a year or so, to man them up.

Kokkinakis was one of the victims in this.

Koki was victim?

Why would he tell Korgi who is he banging? Boy talk after McDonalds dating.

Its the nasty mentality at work, couple of junkies with some money from a foreign land, who think have achieved something and can behave like right gits, nothing new here.

Sure well done to Stan for keeping his cool head, I'm sure a SHBH from him, would of broken to 100 pieces Korgies jaw.


Yes of course he was a victim!

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Post by hawkeye Tue 18 Aug 2015, 3:38 pm

It Must Be Love wrote:I'm actually starting to think now that what Kyrgios did was for the good of the sport. We need a villain, or an inspirational story about a young bad boy Aussie turned good and became a humble champion.

He is being encouraged not to change his ways. He is being sold as a bad boy.

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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 5:17 pm

Jahu wrote:

Why would he tell Korgi who is he banging? Boy talk after McDonalds dating.

Its the nasty mentality at work, couple of junkies with some money from a foreign land, who think have achieved something and can behave like right gits, nothing new here.

Sure well done to Stan for keeping his cool head, I'm sure a SHBH from him, would of broken to 100 pieces Korgies jaw.


Oh come on, all this over what at the end of the day is a bit of harmless banter. And to those so concerned over Ms Vekic, anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of human nature will know a girl of that age is more likely to be flattered rather than mortified over such a situation.

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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 5:20 pm

GG, I did not say she got mortified with her name being thrown around the court.

She is not the issue, just these couple of nasty kids in need of a lesson.

Now please tell me Korgi has a perfect face, head shape and hair style to be punched left and right? Laugh


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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 5:43 pm

Jahu wrote:GG, I did not say she got mortified with her name being thrown around the court.

She is not the issue, just these couple of nasty kids in need of a lesson.

Now please tell me Korgi has a perfect face, head shape and hair style to be punched left and right? Laugh

I'm with you on that. It's a theme with the 'aussies' because tomic is like that as well. But really, wouldn't Stan have been better off simply ignoring the playground insult, or even better calling him out on his childishness, rather than treating it like a crime against humanity?


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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 5:46 pm

Ever heard of the word minority???

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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 5:54 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:Ever heard of the word minority???

Minority opinions are often the correct ones. I'm not defending Krygios particularly, just saying the reaction from Stan was ludicrous 'I wouldn't say this to my worst enemy'.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:01 pm

greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:Ever heard of the word minority???

Minority opinions are often the correct ones. I'm not defending Krygios particularly, just saying the reaction from Stan was ludicrous 'I wouldn't say this to my worst enemy'.

gg on this we have to disagree.We are talking about the game of tennis, please see what Roger said about it, and I have to agree with him. We are not talking football, rugby or the like. What he said was out of order to Stan about two people who were not involved in the match.This argument will rumble on and if you cannot see that after the world, its wife and its mother is baying for blood then m not the one to try and convince you.

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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:04 pm

gg, its hard to judge what Stan should of done, hot moment, a surprise thing I guess, he still at least did not punch him.

Sure maturity plays part there.
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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:08 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:Ever heard of the word minority???

Minority opinions are often the correct ones. I'm not defending Krygios particularly, just saying the reaction from Stan was ludicrous 'I wouldn't say this to my worst enemy'.

gg on this we have to disagree.We are talking about the game of tennis, please see what Roger said about it, and I have to agree with him. We are not talking football, rugby or the like. What he said was out of order to Stan about two people who were not involved in the match.This argument will rumble on and if you cannot see that after the world, its wife and its mother is baying for blood then m not the one to try and convince you.

I'm afraid that's called following the mob

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:22 pm

greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:Ever heard of the word minority???

Minority opinions are often the correct ones. I'm not defending Krygios particularly, just saying the reaction from Stan was ludicrous 'I wouldn't say this to my worst enemy'.

gg on this we have to disagree.We are talking about the game of tennis, please see what Roger said about it, and I have to agree with him. We are not talking football, rugby or the like. What he said was out of order to Stan about two people who were not involved in the match.This argument will rumble on and if you cannot see that after the world, its wife and its mother is baying for blood then m not the one to tr and convince you.

I'm afraid that's called following the mob

That's how you see it gg. I see that someone has crossed the line that invades another human being's privacy.
Out of order in my book who believes a man's private life is his own to protect. The likes of Krgios are not needed in the world of tennis where he plays with professional players who have upheld the reputation of the sport for so many years.
In which case I will follow the mob.

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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:37 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:

That's how you see it gg. I see that someone has crossed the line that invades another human being's privacy.
Out of order in my book who believes a man's  private life is his own to protect. The likes of Krgios are not needed in the world of tennis where he plays with professional players who have upheld the reputation of the sport for so many years.
In which case I will follow the mob.

That's not following the mob, that's forming your own opinion. Your previous post suggested I should relent because I was against the world and his wife. The only outcome of this is an ego boost for Krygios as he sees how important he is, rather than the selfish playground yob who needs humbling. Big mistake and a missed opportunity I think

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 6:44 pm

[quote="greengoblin"]
Haddie-nuff wrote:

That's how you see it gg. I see that someone has crossed the line that invades another human being's privacy.
Out of order in my book who believes a man's  private life is his own to protect. The likes of Krgios are not needed in the world of tennis where he plays with professional players who have upheld the reputation of the sport for so many years.
In which case I will follow the mob.

That's not following the mob, that's forming your own opinion. Your previous post suggested I should relent because I was against the world and his wife. The only outcome of this is an ego boost for Krygios as he sees how important he is, rather than the selfish playground yob who needs humbling. Big mistake and a missed opportunity I think[/quote


Ok read it how you will, then I either agree and follow the mob or they are following me.
Yes he needs humbling and more than a fine will do.. 12,500 is peanuts to this person... he spends that in a pub with his mates.. I agree with the mob i.e. Roget Federer for one who thinks it deserves a greater punishment.. if only for the reputation of the Sport..I do not believe that this will be an ego boost for this loud mouth lout if the ATP suspend him and Im seriously hoping they will. The wrong messages are being sent out to the young players entering the sport if he gets anything less. I have been watching this sport too many years to see him and any player like him tarnish the reputation of a sport which, until now, has been without reproach. Even given the likes of Lendl. Connors, McEnroe and Nastase.. players who have caused problems yes, but this has gone one step beyond .. not just imo but many more qualified than I to state such an opinion.

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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 8:16 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:


this has gone one step beyond .. not just imo but many more qualified than I to state such an opinion.


This is the bit which I do not understand. You are saying this worse than Serena Williams threatening violence on a linejudge ? This was vulgar  from Krygios, but it wasn't said aggressively or even to Stan direct. I know you're saying he shouldn't reference private lives, but actually it's not private because anyone with google can find out who is dating who in the tennis world, and who has dated who previously.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 18 Aug 2015, 8:30 pm

I have made my point you don't understand?? fine then I will leave you in a state of confusion Wink

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Post by greengoblin Tue 18 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:I have made my point you don't understand?? fine then I will leave you in a state of confusion Wink

So to get this straight. Krygios insult is worse than Serena's threat?

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue 18 Aug 2015, 8:47 pm

What Serena said was considerably worse than what Kyrgios said here.

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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 9:28 pm

gg, you can find who is dating who on google sure, but that does not mean they are having sex with them.

Koki just joking he nailed Dona, so he can look like a big man before his Korgi friend.

So in reality she is confessing now to Stan has she done it or not Laugh
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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 9:32 pm

Also while I like Stan a lot, whats his theory of divorce to focus on his career and then after a couple of months he is banging nearly underage girl?

If he did celebrate his demolition of Djoko in RG, in that case I approve it.

Bit of a cheap shot by Stan this girl.
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Post by temporary21 Tue 18 Aug 2015, 10:57 pm

That's his business though.  People sticking their nose up is why it's kept private

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Post by Jahu Tue 18 Aug 2015, 11:08 pm

It appears others have been sticking more then their nose.

Thats the whole issue, nose does not do this much damage....

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 18 Aug 2015, 11:32 pm

greengoblin wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:Ever heard of the word minority???

Minority opinions are often the correct ones. I'm not defending Krygios particularly, just saying the reaction from Stan was ludicrous 'I wouldn't say this to my worst enemy'.

Been reading this every so often to check up on the tennis lot, and I 100% agree with this. I nearly posted something myself but it gets a bit emotional around these parts. I mean the forum, not whatever orifices were used

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Post by LuvSports! Tue 18 Aug 2015, 11:51 pm

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Post by hawkeye Wed 19 Aug 2015, 8:59 am

Well so far the ATP have come down hard on Krygios. All their pondering about what sort of punishment he should receive for his serious code violation has resulted in a ban! Well not for Krygios himself as he was permitted to play in Cincy. But for his brother who escalated the whole incident via the media. Well not a complete ban but they refused his brother free entry to the event. He was just forced to buy his own ticket. They have promised that they will give him free tickets for the US Open. By then after such a harsh and cruel punishment he will have no doubt learned his lesson chin Laugh

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Post by hawkeye Thu 20 Aug 2015, 7:59 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqigE0VLNuo

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Post by JuliusHMarx Sat 22 Aug 2015, 10:33 am

"Why villains are good for sport"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/34020876

Includes a bit about Kyrgios

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Post by barrystar Mon 24 Aug 2015, 11:23 am

Johnyjeep wrote:It seems here that Kyrgios crime is his lack of wit.

Rod Marsh: So how is your wife and my kids?

Ian Botham: Wife's fine. Kid's are retarded.

Genius.

This has been blown out of all proportion. Mainly by the 'Holier than thou, I've never made a mistake in my life, let me stick my oar in other peoples business' brigade.

It's a race to the bottom in terms of being offended. And therefore everyone should act so or you will be condemned by the righteous.

Kyrgios is clearly an idiot. A fool who has shot himself in the foot (numerous times now) and is getting a reputation where fans and sponsors (well the blue chip ones) won't touch him with a barge pole. Treat him as such. I personally shall never be a fan. I would wager that all those "involved" have long moved on - and this from an incident which happened less than 48 hours ago.

What makes me laugh is that people think these people don't exist in society and act outraged when someone does. Just because they become sportsman/women doesn't suddenly make them immune from such idiocy.

He's had his fine - but his punishment is more long term in that his reputation is in the gutter already. It certainly doesn't warrant a suspension (or the death sentence; of which I'm expecting an online petition to be set up for anytime now).

If perhaps a little over-stated, this encapsulates my thoughts. Kyrgios has shown himself not to be a talented 'character', but an out-of-control individual whose unpleasant behaviour is either symptomatic of straightforward nastiness or a total failure to understand how to behave. Until such time as he may smarten up his act and let his racquet do the talking he will suffer grievously in financial terms for being a pariah in the eyes of crowds and sponsors - he can't expect any favours in respect of tournament invitations or any decent endorsements. His being shunned in the locker room will make the tour a harder grind for him and winning will become more difficult. That's a suitable punishment for bad behaviour - social ostracism - for all but the most serious offences it works better than almost any other punishment and demonstrates to others the cost of poor behaviour. We must not forget that it also behoves society to leave open space for forgiveness, to recognise when people have redeemed themselves and to welcome them back.

If he's also broken ATP rules, let him be punished for that - I suspect in the scheme of tennis rule-breaking that what he has done is not that serious and does not merit a big punishment. Let's not allow our dislike of what he has done (which is considerable in my case) to build up a head of self-righteous steam and persuade us that rules should be bent or 'hardened' - it's not necessary and leaves less room for manoeuvre if something truly serious happens.

My sympathies lie with Stan and his girlfriend, the injured parties, but I still think that Stan would have done better if he had found something shorter and pithier to say about it.
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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 24 Aug 2015, 12:08 pm

]My sympathies lie with Stan and his girlfriend, the injured parties,

It appears that few 606ers do..Im with you on that.
Maybe Stan was more outraged for his girlfriend than himself which he had a right to be. If anyone had a mouth that run away from him he was not first in the queue

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Post by barrystar Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:32 pm

Perhaps Stan could have said something like, "What he was prepared to say to me during a match describes the sort of man he is more eloquently than any words I can use."
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Post by temporary21 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:35 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:]My sympathies lie with Stan and his girlfriend, the injured parties,

It appears that few 606ers do..Im with you on that.
Maybe Stan was more outraged for his girlfriend than himself which he had a right to be. If anyone had a mouth that run away from him he was not first in the queue
Here here, theyre the ones being judged, while Nicks behaviour is being dismissed as necessary.

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Post by lags72 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 2:58 pm

barrystar wrote:Perhaps Stan could have said something like, "What he was prepared to say to me during a match describes the sort of man he is more eloquently than any words I can use."

This would have been an excellent, concise reaction by Stan clap

Proof of the old maxim that sometimes (and certainly in this case) less is more

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Post by Jahu Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:30 pm

lags72 wrote: less is more

...not when it comes to sex...
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Post by Guest Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:32 pm

Laugh crush them!

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Post by lags72 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:33 pm

Think you need another website Jahu ......

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Post by temporary21 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 3:35 pm

Hear Hear!
Anyoen heard any more about this? Or are the ATP just drawing a line

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 24 Aug 2015, 4:24 pm

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Post by Guest Mon 24 Aug 2015, 5:22 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/34043838

Banned!!

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Post by Henman Bill Mon 24 Aug 2015, 5:37 pm

no he's not banned, it says suspended ban of 28 days, sounds about right to me. I think I suggested suspended ban earlier.

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Post by temporary21 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 5:38 pm

Ouch, hang on a minute though, a suspended 28 day ban? Does that mean he can still play as long as he doesnt get any more fines? Also when does that come into place?

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Post by temporary21 Mon 24 Aug 2015, 5:40 pm

Oh ok I think the bbc means "upheld", if he does anything within 6 months

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon 24 Aug 2015, 6:11 pm

"injured parties"

Poor souls.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Mon 24 Aug 2015, 6:39 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 9:08 am

Should make for an interesting 6 months Wink
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This six-month cloud hanging over Kyrgios' head puts the Aussie on red alert. Broadcasters, opponents, line judges and chair umpires now have the power to call out Kyrgios' behavior and weigh in on whether it rises to the level of finable verbal abuse.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Tue 25 Aug 2015, 12:22 pm

Haddie-nuff wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

picard

Come on, Haddie, be open to debate or being labelled arrogant. Injured parties is a ludicrous way to discuss someone who got a rather immature insult aimed at him. I find the furore around this at best pathetic and at worst completely contrived to attack an unpopular player.

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Post by temporary21 Tue 25 Aug 2015, 12:32 pm

Well its done now, the ATP have basically set the bar as to how far you can go.


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Post by Haddie-nuff Tue 25 Aug 2015, 12:48 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Haddie-nuff wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:"injured parties"

Poor souls.

picard

Come on, Haddie, be open to debate or being labelled arrogant. Injured parties is a ludicrous way to discuss someone who got a rather immature insult aimed at him. I find the furore around this at best pathetic and at worst completely contrived to attack an unpopular player.

Ive been open to debate and made my position very clear and as sure as God made little apples it does not agree with yours.. I have watched too many years of tennis and seen enough "bad boys" over those years and never one of them has brought the game into such disrepute as this player. I will reiterate he is not bigger than the sport he plays.
Many more agree with me than don't.. his own countrymen have criticised him,  professional players past and present even now Sampras.. so Im in good company
No matter who you are even public figures have basic human rights.. one of which is your private life to keep private or divulge to whom you choose whenever you choose. He was in breach of that right..he was punished accordingly and Im glad

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