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Post by maestegmafia Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:38 am

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AUSTRALIA v WALES
10 October 2015
KO: 16:45
Twickenham, London

Live on [tbc]

Referee: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
Touch judges: Jérôme Garcès (France) & Stuart Berry (South Africa)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

38 Played 38
27 Won 10
1 Drawn 1
10 Lost 27
897 Points 590

B. Recent Form

8 November 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
28 – 33 Australia

30 November 2013
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
26 – 30 Australia

1 December 2012
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
12 – 14 Australia

23 June 2012
Sydney Football Stadium, Sydney
20 – 19 Australia

16 June 2012
Etihad Stadium, Melbourne
25 – 23 Australia

9 June 2012
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
27 – 19 Australia

3 December 2011
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
18 – 24 Australia

21 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland, New Zealand
21 – 18 Australia

TEAMS:

AUSTRALIA
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I Folau; A Ashley-Cooper, T Kuridrani, M Giteau, D Mitchell; B Foley, W Genia; S Sio, S Moore, S Kepu; K Douglas, D Mumm; S Fardy, S McMahon, D Pocock.

Replacements: T Polota-Nau, J Slipper, G Holmes, R Simmons, B MCCalman, N Phipps, M Toomua, K Beale.

WALES
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G Anscombe; A Cuthbert, G North, J Roberts, L Williams; D Biggar, G Davies; P James, S Baldwin, S Lee; L Charteris, AW Jones; S Warburton, J Tipuric, T Faletau.

Replacements: K Owens, A Jarvis, T Francis, J Ball, R Moriarty, Ll Williams, R Priestland, J Hook.

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The pool decider.

Damn those boys in the Canary yellow shirts look good, really good. Going through top of the pool Wales would be likely to meet Japan or Scotland...! Go through second and we meet a refuvinated Bok side.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:22 pm

Shifty wrote:I can't really look past this line up for Australia, there is no way we can keep the same front row or keep Matthew Morgan and Tyler Morgan in the side if we expect to give them a game.  

15 Gareth Anscombe
14 Liam Williams
13 James Hook
12 Jamie Roberts
11 George North
10 Dan Biggar
9 Gareth Davies
8 Talupe Faletau
7 Justin Tipuric
6 Sam Warburton
5 Luke Charteris
4 Alun Wyn Jones
3 Sampson Lee
2 Ken Owens
1 Paul James

16 Tyler Morgan
17 Rhys Priestland
18 Lloyd Williams
19 Dan Lydiate
20 Bradley Davies
21 Tomas Francis
22 Scott Baldwin
23 Gethin Jenkins

I'd be happy with that back 3 to be honest but Hook done absolutely zero the other night and I would have no more confidence with him there than I would with Morgan plus we would be at risk from one of his oh so readable intercept passes.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:23 pm

Shifty wrote:there is no way we can keep the same front row or keep Matthew Morgan and Tyler Morgan in the side if we expect to give them a game.

Yet you go on to name Hook in your starting line-up Shocked Doh Doh Doh.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:25 pm

If Jenkins start at LH then we can have Lyidate in the starting team. If James or another starts, I think we'll need Tips and Warburton starting. Yes our defence needs to be on song, but the breakdown shall be where the tightest battle will take place.


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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:25 pm

If you look at out last what 7/8 games there been no more than one score in any of them so with that in mind yes we can keep in touch with them and should hopefully do so but our scrum has been a shambles and you seen last night how quick that back line turns defence into attack.
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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:27 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:If Jenkins start at LH then we can have Lyidate in the starting team. If James or another starts, I think we'll need Tips and Warburton starting. Yes our defence needs to be on song, but the breakdown will be where the tightest battle will take place.

We haven't got another unless heaven forbid he contemplates starting Jarvis there. Even with Lydiate there we can match them at the breakdown, he may not be a huge ball carrier but the work he getst hrough aling with the other two is enormous.
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Post by Blueschief Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:29 pm

So Warbiate or Warburic in the back row row counter Pooper? Would prefer to start with Warbiate and then have Warburic when the game breaks up in the final 20 mins or so

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:50 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:If Jenkins start at LH then we can have Lyidate in the starting team. If James or another starts, I think we'll need Tips and Warburton starting. Yes our defence needs to be on song, but the breakdown will be where the tightest battle will take place.

We haven't got another unless heaven forbid he contemplates starting Jarvis there.  Even with Lydiate there we can match them at the breakdown, he may not be a huge ball carrier but the work he getst hrough aling with the other two is enormous.

He could wise up by dropping James and bringing in Evans. Speaking of which Hook should do the honourable thing and feign an injury so we can replace him too.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 5:51 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:If Jenkins start at LH then we can have Lyidate in the starting team. If James or another starts, I think we'll need Tips and Warburton starting. Yes our defence needs to be on song, but the breakdown will be where the tightest battle will take place.

We haven't got another unless heaven forbid he contemplates starting Jarvis there.  Even with Lydiate there we can match them at the breakdown, he may not be a huge ball carrier but the work he getst hrough aling with the other two is enormous.

He could wise up by dropping James and bringing in Evans. Speaking of which Hook should do the honourable thing and feign an injury so we can replace him too.

It has surprised me how long we have carried James, they must be pretty damned confident he is going to be fit for Saturday and beyond
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Post by offload Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:10 pm

Blueschief wrote:So Warbiate or Warburic in the back row row counter Pooper? Would prefer to start with Warbiate and then have Warburic when the game breaks up in the final 20 mins or so

If we don't sort the scrum out we'll be so far behind in the final 20 it won't matter who comes on.
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Post by Blueschief Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:15 pm

True enough

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Post by offload Sun 04 Oct 2015, 6:23 pm

I agree with you by the way, I would start with Lydiate.
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Post by LordDowlais Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:02 pm

The weather is due to change for the worst this week. No roof on Twickers, that will have an affect on things, the Aussies will not throw it around with aplomb in wet and windy conditions.

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Post by maestegmafia Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:08 pm

LordDowlais wrote:The weather is due to change for the worst this week. No roof on Twickers, that will have an affect on things, the Aussies will not throw it around with aplomb in wet and windy conditions.

It is clearing up at the end of the week a bit.


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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 04 Oct 2015, 7:50 pm

Lydiate won't be in full contact training until later on in the week. Could that have a bearing on selection? The Scrum V team are also championing Hook to come into the starting team, it does make you wonder do they even watch rugby?

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:10 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Lydiate won't be in full contact training until later on in the week. Could that have a bearing on selection? The Scrum V team are also championing Hook to come into the starting team, it does make you wonder do they even watch rugby?

A few days of no contact wont do Lydiate any harm, is eyes did look a mess though lol. They were singing Hooks praises though at the end Jiffy said he's only there becuase of injuries so he's not going all of a sudden come in and change how we play.

Roberts will be 12 then at 13 well your guess is as good as mine at the moment.
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Post by RubyGuby Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:14 pm

Shifty wrote:I can't really look past this line up for Australia, there is no way we can keep the same front row or keep Matthew Morgan and Tyler Morgan in the side if we expect to give them a game.  

15 Gareth Anscombe
14 Liam Williams
13 James Hook
12 Jamie Roberts
11 George North
10 Dan Biggar
9 Gareth Davies
8 Talupe Faletau
7 Justin Tipuric
6 Sam Warburton
5 Luke Charteris
4 Alun Wyn Jones
3 Sampson Lee
2 Ken Owens
1 Paul James

I like that team thumbsup

16 Tyler Morgan
17 Rhys Priestland
18 Lloyd Williams
19 Dan Lydiate
20 Bradley Davies
21 Tomas Francis
22 Scott Baldwin
23 Gethin Jenkins

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 8:29 pm

RubyGuby wrote:
Shifty wrote:I can't really look past this line up for Australia, there is no way we can keep the same front row or keep Matthew Morgan and Tyler Morgan in the side if we expect to give them a game.  

15 Gareth Anscombe
14 Liam Williams
13 James Hook
12 Jamie Roberts
11 George North
10 Dan Biggar
9 Gareth Davies
8 Talupe Faletau
7 Justin Tipuric
6 Sam Warburton
5 Luke Charteris
4 Alun Wyn Jones
3 Sampson Lee
2 Ken Owens
1 Paul James

I like that team  thumbsup

16 Tyler Morgan
17 Rhys Priestland
18 Lloyd Williams
19 Dan Lydiate
20 Bradley Davies
21 Tomas Francis
22 Scott Baldwin
23 Gethin Jenkins

Okay so you say we cant give them a game with Tyler Morgan in the side but you have him on the bench, what if someone gets injured early on he may well have to play virtually the whole game anyway.
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Post by Liam Sun 04 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm

Thought Morgan did well at 13. I'd keep him going, hook has done nothing to warrant starting and gatland isn't his biggest fan either so no way he starts. I'd bring tips in with warbs to match their 7's and then charteris for Davies. I'd be tempted to start priestland 15 with Liam Williams on the wing for cuthbert with anscombe on the bench.

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Post by wales606 Sun 04 Oct 2015, 10:19 pm

I think Morgan has to play at 13, he is the only one with experience at 13 at the moment, and he looked okay there against Fiji.

I think Warburton and Tipuric should start to really go after the Wallabies.

We have to really go for it and try to put Australia under pressure, they won't be as good as they were against England if we don't let them be that good.

We need stability and the scrum (a difficult job) then it is a 40/60 game imo. Charteris should start to challenge the Aussie lineup and counter their driving maul.

As long as we have a okay scrum, decent kicking game and good defence we will still be in it.
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Post by Cardiff Dave Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:00 pm

Reckon Gatland has his eyes on the Boks after the way the SDs forensically dissected England to death. Not a pretty sight I have to say. There again a qf against the Jocks is tempter.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:04 pm

I didn't think Morgan looked that great there in attack against Fiji, no surprise as it's his second cap. The Morgan-Cuthbert channel is one that I don't want the Aussie runners going at...

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Post by RubyGuby Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:08 pm

Boks or Jocks Yahoo thumbsup

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:13 pm

All will depend on if Liam Williams is fit, if he is then we have two thirds of our first choice back three there. If he's not then we are down to a third in North and whoever else we put in the other two slots just dont fill me with confidence.
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Post by RubyGuby Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:17 pm

Gatland is going to mix things up for the Aus game. We could find Tipric and Moriarty in the mix with George in the centre and Anscombe FB. What we really need is Phipps at scrum half

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:21 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Gatland is going to mix things up for the Aus game. We could find Tipric and Moriarty in the mix with George in the centre and Anscombe FB. What we really need is Phipps at scrum half

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As much as he may mix it up he won't change things drastically, mixing it up in his book would be may Owens and Charteris starting, the biggest change may come if he decides to go with Tipuric and Warburton and give North a run in the centre.
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Post by RubyGuby Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:22 pm

Yeah I'd agree with that BW

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Post by Cardiff Dave Sun 04 Oct 2015, 11:29 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Gatland is going to mix things up for the Aus game. We could find Tipric and Moriarty in the mix with George in the centre and Anscombe FB. What we really need is Phipps at scrum half

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Not much left to mix up though. We're on the bones of our arse already. It's all talk mun.


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Post by ebop Mon 05 Oct 2015, 12:54 am

This is interesting. If the wallabies win, no one back home will know about it because none of their major media outlets are covering the RWC because they refused to sign World Rugby's onerous contract. Even UK media were angry but they had to sign up. WR are d1cks.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2015/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=11523936
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Post by Pal Joey Mon 05 Oct 2015, 3:24 am

ebop wrote:This is interesting. If the wallabies win, no one back home will know about it because none of their major media outlets are covering the RWC because they refused to sign World Rugby's onerous contract. Even UK media were angry but they had to sign up. WR are d1cks.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2015/news/article.cfm?c_id=522&objectid=11523936

Interesting. I had heard something about this decision quite a while back but had then completely forgotten about it.

All I can say is that when I looked at yesterday's SMH online front page there were about 5 or 6 articles on the big RWC pool match vs England.

There's no way that result could ever be suppressed for any length of time. True, the AFL and NRL Grand Finals are huge events here. The match on early Sunday morning here was the perfect filler in bewteen the two. I can safely say there was a considerable buzz about town on Saturday afternoon with all these major sporting clashes imminent.

Now that I've been reminded of this - that probably explains why I am enjoying the coverage for this world cup. There's just enough to get one excited but not too much to be in our faces all day & night. It's actually very pleasant to get things in proportion once in a while.

Also noted that we don't get those silly, smug and jingoistic adverts saturating the TV screen; which I always felt was an ominous sign for Australian sporting teams. (e.g. Clarke before the Ashes. No wonder his head wasn't in the right place) That spells doom as history has shown.

May I suggest that other rugby nation boards follow our lead in future and take control of the way in which media is presented to customers.
It's very important to exercise our rights on our own terms and not through some heavily weighted, trashy and often incorrect 'presentation' from a very mediocre global sports broadcaster... which some collective of media spivs reckon would best suit us. What the hell do they really know?

Don't forget, these are the same guys who make their informed predictions based on "they can't afford to lose", "HQ crowd pressure will be too much for the opposition", "Owen Farrell is a big match player" and so on. I wouldn't even pay the bastards for their inputs. The same for similar like-minded sports gurus here. Time to put pressure on them via social media critique and open up opportunities for more sensible contributors.
We all deserve so much better. Really... we do!
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 05 Oct 2015, 7:22 am

I am guessing that the team is announced on Wednesday or Thursday?

I wonder whether the Australians will pick a full strength team or rest a few?

They rested a lot against Uruguay

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Post by No9 Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:48 am

bedfordwelsh wrote:
RubyGuby wrote:
Shifty wrote:I can't really look past this line up for Australia, there is no way we can keep the same front row or keep Matthew Morgan and Tyler Morgan in the side if we expect to give them a game.  

15 Gareth Anscombe
14 Liam Williams
13 James Hook
12 Jamie Roberts
11 George North
10 Dan Biggar
9 Gareth Davies
8 Talupe Faletau
7 Justin Tipuric
6 Sam Warburton
5 Luke Charteris
4 Alun Wyn Jones
3 Sampson Lee
2 Ken Owens
1 Paul James

I like that team  thumbsup

16 Tyler Morgan
17 Rhys Priestland
18 Lloyd Williams
19 Dan Lydiate
20 Bradley Davies
21 Tomas Francis
22 Scott Baldwin
23 Gethin Jenkins

Okay so you say we cant give them a game with Tyler Morgan in the side but you have him on the bench, what if someone gets injured early on he may well have to play virtually the whole game anyway.

Doh Doh Doh

Matthew Morgan looked good against Fiji, and Tyler didn't look terrible.. Both these youngsters earned their wings and with nothing to lose against Aus, we should play them. Our problem against the Wallabies isn't going to be in the 3/4s, it will be in the front five. They have looked worse as the tournament has progressed and are now up against a pack that made England look bad. There's a simple choice, roll over and accept 2nd place or fight for top. If the latter (and I hope it is), then we have to do some serious thinking about our pack. Win good quick ball and our 3/4s (and that includes Tyler and Matthew) will be up for the challenge..

Only 3/4 change I would def make is lose Cuthbert, as AAC (or who ever the Wallabies pick) will run circles around Cuthbert's defence (or lack of it).... But I hope Liam is fit, then its either him to the Wing, or better at FB and maybe Matthew Morgan to wing (get Shane to have a word or two in his ear this week Wink )

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Post by rodders Mon 05 Oct 2015, 10:51 am

I think Australia will field a slightly weakened side and Wales have a great chance here to pull off an upset, especially with the extra few days off from the Fiji game.

I also think Gatland will have been targetting this game even more than the England game, whereas I suspect the Wallabies will have been focused on beating England.

Wallabies looking very good at the minute under Cheika though and a good tip to win the whole thing.
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Post by offload Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:06 am

I hope Wales pick the strongest side they can and go all out to win the group. Talk of resting "key" players is silly.

If, and of course its a big If, we can win we likely will play Scotland and Ireland in the next rounds. Coming second will almost cetainly mean playing SA and then NZ.

I would pick the strongest team available and capitalise on the momentum.
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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:10 am

Michael Hooper cited... Possibly some good luck coming our way.

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Post by LordDowlais Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:12 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Michael Hooper cited... Possibly some good luck coming our way.

What for ?

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Post by rodders Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:17 am

LordDowlais wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Michael Hooper cited... Possibly some good luck coming our way.

What for ?

Headbutted Burgess arm with his chin.
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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:17 am

For his clearout attempt - charging into the ruck without using arms or grasping a player. A penalty was given at the time, but no card. Sky Sport and BBC Sport are reporting it.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:29 am

I remember the incident, I was surprised that more wasn't made of it. Mike Brown reacted to it, and communicated his displeasure at Hoopers actions to the referee in a far more fluent manner than he conducts his post match interviews.

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Post by TightHEAD Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:33 am

He should have been yellow carded at the time, couldn't understand why it wasn't reviewed at the time seeing as the TMO can't wait to get involved during this RWC.
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Post by maestegmafia Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:35 am

rodders wrote:I think Australia will field a slightly weakened side and Wales have a great chance here to pull off an upset, especially with the extra few days off from the Fiji game.

I also think Gatland will have been targetting this game even more than the England game, whereas I suspect the Wallabies will have been focused on beating England.  

Wallabies looking very good at the minute under Cheika though and a good tip to win the whole thing.

offload wrote:I hope Wales pick the strongest side they can and go all out to win the group.  Talk of resting "key" players is silly.  

If, and of course its a big If, we can win we likely will play Scotland and Ireland in the next rounds.  Coming second will almost cetainly mean playing SA and then NZ.

I would pick the strongest team available and capitalise on the momentum.  

I don't know how they are effected by injuries, Folau went off, looked precautionary, Hopper possible citing.

They may choose to rest players for this game. There are still a few weeks left in the tournament and it will be tough.

That said the whole Australian squad is strong, losing players won't weaken them much.

Turn around time between games is a big factor.

Poor old Uruguay face Fiji then England in a matter of days.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:36 am

TightHEAD wrote:He should have been yellow carded at the time, couldn't understand why it wasn't reviewed at the time seeing as the TMO can't wait to get involved during this RWC.

I agree and likewise Sam Butgess should have seen yellow when Farrell did. I guess sometimes you just get lucky.

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Post by maestegmafia Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:39 am

Could be some good banter between the coaches this week


http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/rugby-world-cup-2015-australia-10194159

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Post by TightHEAD Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:41 am

Burgess yes Farrell no,

I think Farrells was a penalty but nothing more as the player was running a blocking line, you can see Farrells reaction after the tackle he was completely at a lose as to what had happened.
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Post by rodders Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:43 am

TightHEAD wrote:Burgess yes Farrell no,

I think Farrells was a penalty but nothing more as the player was running a blocking line, you can see Farrells reaction after the tackle he was completely at a lose as to what had happened.

I agree - I think the penalty was against Farrell but Burgess should have seen the yellow for the high tackle. Result was half right by the tmo - 2 yellows would have been justified but harsh.
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Post by TightHEAD Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:44 am

I can't see Aus fielding a weakened team.
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Post by RubyGuby Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:48 am

This game is massive for Aus as they will avoid NZ till the final if they win. As for Wales, I haven't got a clue here given the injuries, I only see a defeat but stranger things have happened - Wales 16 Aus 32

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Post by offload Mon 05 Oct 2015, 11:48 am

rodders wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Burgess yes Farrell no,

I think Farrells was a penalty but nothing more as the player was running a blocking line, you can see Farrells reaction after the tackle he was completely at a lose as to what had happened.

I agree - I think the penalty was against Farrell but Burgess should have seen the yellow for the high tackle. Result was half right by the tmo - 2 yellows would have been justified but harsh.

I think the TMO was trying to communicate that the Burgess tackle should have been a card but ref got it wrong. imo Farrell's was just a penalty. Also surprised that a card wasn't shown to Hooper - can't have been much complaint from Aus if Hooper had 10 mins for that.
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Post by bedfordwelsh Mon 05 Oct 2015, 12:33 pm

Seems like Paul James is in contention for this week end which is good news, nothing coming out about Liam Williams yet.

Its a good job Barry John isn't picking the side as he would rest Biggar!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by offload Mon 05 Oct 2015, 12:55 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:Its a good job Barry John isn't picking the side as he would rest Biggar!!!!!!!!!!!!  

A fine player of the amateur era, but rarely contributes anything sensible about the modern game.
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Post by Steffan Mon 05 Oct 2015, 12:57 pm

offload wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:Its a good job Barry John isn't picking the side as he would rest Biggar!!!!!!!!!!!!  

A fine player of the amateur era, but rarely contributes anything sensible about the modern game.
Great drinker though. I frequent one of Barry's main haunts. He makes a great contribution to the Cardiff pub industry

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