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Post by George Carlin Sun 04 Oct 2015, 9:06 am

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SCOTLAND V SAMOA
10 October 2015
KO: 14:30 BST
St. James' Park, Newcastle

Live on ITV

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Touch judges: JP Doyle (England) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

9 Played 9
7 Won 1
1 Drawn 1
1 Lost 7
218 Points 122

B. Recent Form

8 June 2013
Mr Price Kings Park, Durban, South Africa
27 – 17 Samoa

23 June 2012
Apia Park, Apia
16 – 17 Scotland

27 November 2010
Pittodire, Aberdeen
19 – 16 Scotland

20 November 2005
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
18 – 11 Scotland

4 June 2004
Westpac Stadium, Wellington, New Zealand
3 – 38 Scotland

18 November 2000
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
31 – 8 Scotland

C. Teams

SCOTLAND
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15 Stuart Hogg 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw (capt); 1 Alasdair Dickinson, 2 Ross Ford, 3 Willem Nel, 4 Richie Gray, 5 Jonny Gray, 6 Ryan Wilson, 7 John Hardie, 8 David Denton.

Replacements: 16 Fraser Brown, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Josh Strauss, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Peter Horne, 23 Sean Lamont.

SAMOA
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15 Tim Nanai-Williams, 14 Paul Perez, 13 George Pisi, 12 Rey Lee-Lo, 11 Fa'atoina Autagavaia, 10 Tusi Pisi, 9 Kahn Fotuali'i (c); 1 Sakaria Taulafo, 2 Ma'atulimanu Leiataua, 3 Census Johnston, 4 Teofilo Paulo, 5 Kane Thompson, 6 Maurie Faasavalu, 7 Jack Lam, 8 Alafoti Faosiliva.

Replacements: 16 Motu Matu'u, 17 Viliamu Afatia, 18 Anthony Perenise, 19 Faifili Levave, 20 Vavae Tuilagi, 21 Vavao Afemai, 22 Patrick Faapale, 23 Ken Pisi.


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Post by nathan Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:22 pm

Come on Scotland!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:22 pm

Anyone else remember the days where we couldn't score tries but we had a great defence?
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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:23 pm

nathan wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:13 penalties in this half against Samoa, no yellows

The referee is probably feeling guilty about not giving a deserved red to the Scottish stamper in the first half.

Ooh I missed that, was it bad?

Not really. Kicked out at someone holding him and hit the upper arm. Not far from the head, then it would have been red.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:23 pm

Duty281 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:13 penalties in this half against Samoa, no yellows

The referee is probably feeling guilty about not giving a deserved red to the Scottish stamper in the first half.

Some extremely soft penalties there were too. Samoa got the rub of the green in the first half but can't buy a decision this half. Well until this final attack when Pyper seems to be desperate to create a close finale. Odd reffing today. Hell of a game though.

The stamp was because the Samoan was hanging onto his foot. Wasn't on the head or neck so yellow was fine.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:23 pm

Was that not off his head?

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:24 pm

Well done Scotland. We'll see who you're facing in a bit.

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Post by nathan Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:24 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:13 penalties in this half against Samoa, no yellows

The referee is probably feeling guilty about not giving a deserved red to the Scottish stamper in the first half.

Some extremely soft penalties there were too. Samoa got the rub of the green in the first half but can't buy a decision this half. Well until this final attack when Pyper seems to be desperate to create a close finale. Odd reffing today. Hell of a game though.

The stamp was because the Samoan was hanging onto his foot. Wasn't on the head or neck so yellow was fine.

What did you think of the clear out in 7?

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Post by RDW Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

I'm shattered - bloody stressful!

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Post by LeinsterFan4life Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Great effort Samoa. You done your people proud!

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Post by ebop Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Well done
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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Woo hoo

Shocking defence but we're in the quarters
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Well done sweaty socks thumbsup

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Post by glamorganalun Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Lucky but well done, Samoa could have done so much better without all the penalties throughout the competition.

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Post by Guest Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Congrats Scotland.

Great game, right to the very end. Very entertaining Very Happy

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Post by wales606 Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

Bet Scotland will be hoping Wales win next,

The Scottish defence will get ripped to shreds by the Aussie on today's performance.
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Post by Pal Joey Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:25 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:Was that not off his head?

Yes, a falcon as we say. Pity... if they had managed to chain a couple more together...

Good win for Scotland. They'll need a week to recover from that! They'll be feeling sore for sure.
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Post by kingraf Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:26 pm

What a game.
First half was exhibition stuff. Second half was old school.
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Post by nathan Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:26 pm

Great game (only saw the second half), well done both teams and congrats on qualifying Scotland thumbsup

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:26 pm

Well done Scotland on the qualification, that was pretty much undeserved.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:27 pm

Massive congrats to all you Scottish fans. Tough and extremely close win but you are there, you are in the 1/4 finals of a World Cup clap
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:27 pm

It is a shame, Samoa really did deserve to win that game. I do think that they was given some penalties that should not of been penalties.

But well played Scotland you did enough to win but was very lucky in my opinion.

If they give Man of the Match to a Scottish player they want shooting.

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Post by Nematode Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:28 pm

What a game. Unbelievable.

Laidlaw - absolutely fantastic.

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Post by BamBam Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:29 pm

Fantastic game, well done Scotland, congrats guys

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Post by RubyGuby Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:34 pm

Well done Scotland that was not an easy one. Good luck V Aus in the 1/4s

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Post by Prothero Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:34 pm

Great game, great result, Laidlaw No 9 uber alles.

Scotland March on,

Well done all the boys.

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Post by Seagultaf Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:35 pm

Great game tough on Samoa who would have won had the ref treated them fairly. Jaco did the same to Fiji in the first game.

Ray Lee-Lo was superb after having a quiet World Cup the Blues will be looking forward to having him in their ranks and how can't Fortuali get into the Saints team he was superb also?

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Post by Shifty Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:36 pm

Bloody hell a 3 point win over Samoa and the Scottish players look like they've won the Webb Ellis trophy.
The the only time I have seen Samoa play half decently all tournament.
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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:37 pm

Well done Scotland on the entry into the 1/4s  There was a lot of work in there to do considering the Samoans kept coming back for more.  
I guess the defence will be a major issue for Cotter now but it still takes loads of inner confidence to push back in that often frenzied game.

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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:40 pm

Shifty wrote:Bloody hell a 3 point win over Samoa and the Scottish players look like they've won the Webb Ellis trophy.
The the only time I have seen Samoa play half decently all tournament.  

Wink Nice in-joke.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:47 pm

What was the final penalty count? I'm thinking 20-5 against Samoa
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Post by George Carlin Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:50 pm

Hmm. A lot of selective remembering here.

The big physicality and the great broken field running looks great and is a crowd pleaser but it's only half the game. Scotland left at least 12 points in kickable penalties out there and there were at least 2 yellow cards Samoa could have received in that second half for high tackles and offsides. Kahn is a good captain and seemed to talk Peyper out of a couple of these awards. Incredible that their blindside stayed on the field.

Sure, the more exciting team lost. But the more deserving team? No, I don't think that's sustainable.

Samoan fly half or Ley-Lo were MOM for me. Both absolutely superb. Any clubs interested in signing John Hardie?

The bottom line is that we will give the Wallabies or Wales a bigger test than that Samoan team. Shock and awe is completely intuitive when you have nothing to lose.
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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:52 pm

Hoping for a Wales win now, partially because I'm fed up with Australia doing well, secondly because despite the controversial ending in the six nations the Welsh at Murrayfield were brilliant throughout and also and most importantly because the way you're injuries are going it'll be the u16s girls we face next week.

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Post by nathan Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:54 pm

tigertattie wrote:What was the final penalty count? I'm thinking 20-5 against Samoa

nah, scotland were well into double figures too

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Post by nathan Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:55 pm

George Carlin wrote:Hmm. A lot of selective remembering here.

The big physicality and the great broken field running looks great and is a crowd pleaser but it's only half the game. Scotland left at least 12 points in kickable penalties out there and there were at least 2 yellow cards Samoa could have received in that second half for high tackles and offsides. Kahn is a good captain and seemed to talk Peyper out of a couple of these awards. Incredible that their blindside stayed on the field.

Sure, the more exciting team lost. But the more deserving team? No, I don't think that's sustainable.

Samoan fly half or Ley-Lo were MOM for me. Both absolutely superb. Any clubs interested in signing John Hardie?

The bottom line is that we will give the Wallabies or Wales a bigger test than that Samoan team. Shock and awe is completely intuitive when you have nothing to lose.

Selective remembering indeed! Scotland could have had someone in the bin or red carded for a clear out where the Samoan 7 was driven down on his neck. Hogg could have also been binned for a deliberate knock on.

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Post by Heaf Sat 10 Oct 2015, 4:58 pm

Lucky Samoa didn't kick all their conversions too ...

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:05 pm

nathan wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Hmm. A lot of selective remembering here.

The big physicality and the great broken field running looks great and is a crowd pleaser but it's only half the game. Scotland left at least 12 points in kickable penalties out there and there were at least 2 yellow cards Samoa could have received in that second half for high tackles and offsides. Kahn is a good captain and seemed to talk Peyper out of a couple of these awards. Incredible that their blindside stayed on the field.

Sure, the more exciting team lost. But the more deserving team? No, I don't think that's sustainable.

Samoan fly half or Ley-Lo were MOM for me. Both absolutely superb. Any clubs interested in signing John Hardie?

The bottom line is that we will give the Wallabies or Wales a bigger test than that Samoan team. Shock and awe is completely intuitive when you have nothing to lose.

Selective remembering indeed! Scotland could have had someone in the bin or red carded for a clear out where the Samoan 7 was driven down on his neck. Hogg could have also been binned for a deliberate knock on.

Deliberate knock on is only a yellow if it denies a definite try, that far out you can't say that for sure, it's all academic anyway, the Samoans were out. We saw a team playing the biggest game of many of their careers and another playing effectively with nothing to lose, they could take risks Scotland couldn't, it was a game Scotland could have won 3-0 and it would have been worth celebrating, also with Scotland's dominance in the second half they lacked momentum simply because of Samoan penalties, if it had been the Six Nations there would have been at least two yellow cards. Also he wasn't driven down he was swept up, it was still a foul mind you but to say it was driven down suggests an intent to seriously injure and that is untrue and unfair

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:08 pm

No, a deliberate knock on is a penalty try if it definitely stops a try. If it's cynically stops a try scoring chance (such as a breakaway) it is often/unusually yellow. However, we don't know what this ref would have given as it wasn't seen as a penalty.

I don't think he was driven down but was moved in a way that twisted and put pressure on his neck.

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Post by George Carlin Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:09 pm

nathan wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Hmm. A lot of selective remembering here.

The big physicality and the great broken field running looks great and is a crowd pleaser but it's only half the game. Scotland left at least 12 points in kickable penalties out there and there were at least 2 yellow cards Samoa could have received in that second half for high tackles and offsides. Kahn is a good captain and seemed to talk Peyper out of a couple of these awards. Incredible that their blindside stayed on the field.

Sure, the more exciting team lost. But the more deserving team? No, I don't think that's sustainable.

Samoan fly half or Ley-Lo were MOM for me. Both absolutely superb. Any clubs interested in signing John Hardie?

The bottom line is that we will give the Wallabies or Wales a bigger test than that Samoan team. Shock and awe is completely intuitive when you have nothing to lose.

Selective remembering indeed! Scotland could have had someone in the bin or red carded for a clear out where the Samoan 7 was driven down on his neck. Hogg could have also been binned for a deliberate knock on.
I'm sure the citing commissioner will deliver you justice Nathan if the incident is as obvious as you claim.
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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:12 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:No, a deliberate knock on is a penalty try if it definitely stops a try. If it's cynically stops a try scoring chance (such as a breakaway) it is often/unusually yellow. However, we don't know what this ref would have given as it wasn't seen as a penalty.

I don't think he was driven down but was moved in a way that twisted and put pressure on his neck.
Yes but you have to punish the intent not the outcome, the Scotland players got lower and drove upwards, tell me how were you taught to ruck? It was unfortunate the way that he landed but it was just as much as the result of his body position and others around him as the drive. I don't question that it was a penalty but it was not a yellow or red card.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:16 pm

I only saw it he once in the realtime and though he lifted the guys legs well off the floor and rolled him over his neck.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:22 pm

Gutted. Hardie was motm after all. I was thinking this morning of putting him and laidlaw in my dream team. Why didn't I? Erse!!!!
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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:25 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:I only saw it he once in the realtime and though he lifted the guys legs well off the floor and rolled him over his neck.

I think we'll just agree to disagree, fingers crossed the citing commissioners disagree with you anyway.

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Post by HammerofThunor Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm

As I said, I only saw it once in realtime so not confident in what actually happened. I think it would have just been a yellow anyway, which would just be one of those official warning things.

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:29 pm

HammerofThunor wrote:As I said, I only saw it once in realtime so not confident in what actually happened. I think it would have just been a yellow anyway, which would just be one of those official warning things.

I'd hope so, the idea of going up against Charteris, Jones, Douglas et al with Tim Swinson isn't exactly uplifting

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:41 pm

Wow. What a game.
After the SA game, I half-jokingly said we should start a petition suggesting that we practice re-starts. Now I am serious about it. How can we be so rubbish at such an important aspect of the game.
Anyway, a very mixed bag
Positives
Laidlaw ran the game so well that I defy Jimbopip and his wife, Schittferbrains, to say otherwise
Richie Gray had his best game for a while
Hardie is a really classy player
Samoa were a joy to watch
Strauss had his best game

Negatives
Have the centres and stand-off spent all week ignoring each other and then carried they it on to today. Awful defensive strategy
The ref. He watches TV more than a lardy-arsed Weegie coach potato. Man up and make a decision.
Denton's hands don't work properly
Ryan Wilson thought he was back in a kebab shop

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Sat 10 Oct 2015, 5:54 pm

Just saw a bizarre stat on the BBC pages. Lamont debut'ed against Samoa and got both his 50th and 100th cap against them too.
A committed guy compared to many others who have worn the national jersey. Nt necessarily that fittest, fastest or strongest but with an attitude that is a real example to the likes of Hogg

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Post by 123456789. Sat 10 Oct 2015, 6:09 pm

InjuredYetAgain wrote:Just saw a bizarre stat on the BBC pages. Lamont debut'ed against Samoa and got both his 50th and 100th cap against them too.
A committed guy compared to many others who have worn the national jersey. Nt necessarily that fittest, fastest or strongest but with an attitude that is a real example to the likes of Hogg

I don't think there's a big issue with Hogg's attitude, I think the red mist descends and he makes mistakes but he apologises soon after every time. We need to remember he was capped young and his caps don't reflect his age, compare his attitude to James O'Connor who was capped at a similar age and we're overestimating the scale of the problem, that said if his constant haranguing of referees doesn't stop soon, or these supposed isolated incident then there's a real problem.

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Sat 10 Oct 2015, 6:18 pm

Point taken but do those things not count as "an attitude", Numbers?

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Post by InjuredYetAgain Sat 10 Oct 2015, 6:19 pm

And what happened to your old user name?

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Post by Imperialbigdave Sat 10 Oct 2015, 6:42 pm

Aussies and Welsh just knocked seven bells out of each other. Best possible thing for Scotland. Would rather take on a battered and bruised aussie side.
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