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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 9:42 am

Hooper was out and out the best flanker of the 3rd round of games. Its just amazing that before the game we all know what he's going to do yet in the storm of battle most of us are unable to defeat this fella. A remarkable talent thumbsup

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:24 am

As in Michael Hooper?

Pocock was head and shoulders above other backrowers this weekend imo.

I'm not a huge fan of Hooper, he's more like an extra back than a flanker. He's decent at the breakdown but nowhere near the level that the media suggest he is, he's certainly not at Pococks level.

I still feel Aus could be more threatening by switching Pocock back to 7 and bringing in a carrying option at 8.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:27 am

I think the Pun has steadily slipped by you like Ben Foley through a gap Sgt_Pooly but a valid contribution nonetheless

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Post by Pal Joey Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:30 am

Don't sound so happy. What's with the exclamation mark? Smile

He needs a rest after Saturday anyway. Gives some others like McCalman a start and Sean McMahon on the bench. Pocock reverts back to OF and voilà... still another powerful back 3 dynamic.
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Post by rapidsnowman Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:40 am

Too subtle

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:44 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:Don't sound so happy. What's with the exclamation mark?  Smile

He needs a rest after Saturday anyway. Gives some others like McCalman a start and Sean McMahon on the bench. Pocock reverts back to OF and voilà... still another powerful back 3 dynamic.

Dog - IMO if Hooper was out it would make little difference to the strength of the side as you have such quality across the board. It would just present us with a different set of difficult circumstances. In some ways it might even be better for Aus as we have some useful 7's ourselves. I tipped Aus from the very start and I see no reason to change that. They play the game as it should be played and its a pleasure to watch. I was once given the run around by 3 Ella brothers as a schoolboy and my head is still spinning!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Post by Pal Joey Tue 06 Oct 2015, 10:52 am

Serious?

The closet I ever got to that was selling a dummy to Jason Little's brother and out-sprinting him to the line. Back in about '96.
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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 11:19 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:Serious?

The closet I ever got to that was selling a dummy to Jason Little's brother and out-sprinting him to the line. Back in about '96.

It was a cold and bitter day in Cardiff December 1978

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 12:46 pm

oh and by the way Hooper is out of the game v Wales on Saturday for trying to hurt everyone's favourite Mr Nice Guy Mike Brown thumbsup

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Post by Biltong Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:30 pm

Is Farrell out for shouldering Giteau this past weekend?
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Post by Cyril Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:35 pm

Biltong wrote:Is Farrell out for shouldering Giteau this past weekend?

Farrell was carded during the game. Hooper wasn't.

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Post by Biltong Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:38 pm

Cyril wrote:
Biltong wrote:Is Farrell out for shouldering Giteau this past weekend?

Farrell was carded during the game. Hooper wasn't.

Why does that matter?

Same transgression.

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Post by disneychilly Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:46 pm

Burgess should be suspended that's for sure.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:46 pm

Because it wasn't punished at the time and they think it should have been. Burgess managed to escape but was warned. Should Farrell really have got that card given I've seen tries ruled out for less of an obstruction and given Lydiates no arm tackle was fine the previous week Farrells looked no worse.

Burgess for me was a little lucky even with the slight dip for the Aussie.

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Post by maestegmafia Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:49 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Because it wasn't punished at the time and they think it should have been. Burgess managed to escape but was warned. Should Farrell really have got that card given I've seen tries ruled out for less of an obstruction and given Lydiates no arm tackle was fine the previous week Farrells looked no worse.

Burgess for me was a little lucky even with the slight dip for the Aussie.


Lydiates what?????

You're making stuff up now 'ate. Have some grace, your team lost. Be a man and take it.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:49 pm

I don't think our own backrow have been to shabby either mind. Thought Warburton had a huge game against England and then for him and Faletau both to put in another full 80 against Fiji was great.

With the way our scrum has been disintegrating Faletau has been irreplaceable at 8.
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Post by maestegmafia Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:53 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:I don't think our own backrow have been to shabby either mind.  Thought Warburton had a huge game against England and then for him and Faletau both to put in another full 80 against Fiji was great.

With the way our scrum has been disintegrating Faletau has been irreplaceable at 8.

Aye the boys have done well, and the back ups aren't shabby either.

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Post by Heaf Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:54 pm

The problem with these bans is they do nothing for the team that was transgressed against (and England certainly could have done with him being off for 10 mins) but benefit the next team to play the transgressors - not that I have an answer to this however ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:55 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Because it wasn't punished at the time and they think it should have been. Burgess managed to escape but was warned. Should Farrell really have got that card given I've seen tries ruled out for less of an obstruction and given Lydiates no arm tackle was fine the previous week Farrells looked no worse.

Burgess for me was a little lucky even with the slight dip for the Aussie.


Lydiates what?????

You're making stuff up now 'ate. Have some grace, your team lost. Be a man and take it.

Calm down you'll give yourself an ulcer. I think there are similarities in the perfectly legal tackle by Lydiate on Wood and Farrells illegal tackle. Both made moves afterwards to wrap the arms poorly.

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Post by maestegmafia Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:56 pm

heaf wrote:The problem with these bans is they do nothing for the team that was transgressed against (and England certainly could have done with him being off for 10 mins) but benefit the next team to play the transgressors - not that I have an answer to this however ...

True...!

Consistent and more accurate refereeing would be the only way to improve it.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:56 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
Lydiates what?????

You're making stuff up now 'ate. Have some grace, your team lost. Be a man and take it.
It was clearly a no arm tackle. His arms were behind his shoulders at impact.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:58 pm

Farrell going for the shoulder was just pure instinct - He just needed something to lean on. I think under the circumstances that should be acceptable.

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Post by Scottrf Tue 06 Oct 2015, 1:59 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Farrell going for the shoulder was just pure instinct - He just needed something to lean on. I think under the circumstances that should be acceptable.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:20 pm

I've had 12 months of Slamming Sam in my face and enough abusive txts in the first 60 mins of the Wales game to last 3 years - I'll decide when the catharsis is over. In the meantime I suggest you skip my posts

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Post by Cyril Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:25 pm

Yeah, give it a rest please, Ruby. The constant little digs and sniping on every topic is getting a bit tiresome.

Enjoy your win, but grow up. Just because your friends sent you texts it doesn't mean you have to try and ruin this forum. English fans would expect a bit of ribbing after the last two results but the relentless mocking coming from you is grating.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:47 pm

Apologies Cyril I thought it was a rugby forum where we engage in banter etc. Give it and take it is a part of rugby culture. I'll tell you what, there'll be plenty on here when this rag bag of a welsh team gets shafted and I would expect it. Lets see you come out with the same remarks then Ok - What is this a fecking wake or what


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Post by bedfordwelsh Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:53 pm

If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it.

As the said on Dads Army they dont like it up em
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Post by rodders Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:53 pm

Don't let them off the hook that easy ruby! Run
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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:55 pm

disneychilly wrote:Burgess should be suspended that's for sure.
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Hes out! for the rest of the tournament.

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Post by lostinwales Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:57 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Because it wasn't punished at the time and they think it should have been. Burgess managed to escape but was warned. Should Farrell really have got that card given I've seen tries ruled out for less of an obstruction and given Lydiates no arm tackle was fine the previous week Farrells looked no worse.

Burgess for me was a little lucky even with the slight dip for the Aussie.


Lydiates what?????

You're making stuff up now 'ate. Have some grace, your team lost. Be a man and take it.

Calm down you'll give yourself an ulcer. I think there are similarities in the perfectly legal tackle by Lydiate on Wood and Farrells illegal tackle. Both made moves afterwards to wrap the arms poorly.

Outside of tour usual BS on this site our comments on the Lydiate tackle are irrelevant seeing as the ref looked over it carefully and decided it was OK.

Having said that I saw (I think it was) a Samoan get yellow carded for a no arm tackle. His arm was 'moving around' in exactly the same way that Lydiate's was when his shoulder went into his opponent. Which is to say had the referee been different there may well have been more of a sanction for Lydiate, and there may also have been more of a tendency to go for the card with Samoa who have a rep for such things against Lydiate who doesn't.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 2:57 pm

I appreciate that Bedford - Jeeeeez we've fecking lost to minnows before now and had to live with it - England have just lost to one good side and one where they just failed to execute. In fact go back to the 6 nations game in Cardiff and you'll find me posting the fact that England bossed it from the first minute and more than deserved the win. FFS  no wonder I'm only back on for 6 weeks and in all honesty the fee for that was hardly worth it

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Post by Cyril Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:01 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it.

As the said on Dads Army they dont like it up em
Of course you expect plenty of banter. I've not got a problem with making fun out of the England side (English fans have been doing it for the last few weeks too - and they deserve it to an extent). Ruby is just boring and repetitive. He reminds me of my nephew when he learns a naughty word and keeping repeating it until somebody realises it's way past his bedtime.


It's probably best if I just 'foe' him. Most other Welsh fans have been fine.

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Post by lostinwales Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:02 pm

RubyGuby wrote:Apologies Cyril I thought it was a rugby forum where we engage in banter etc. Give it and take it is a part of rugby culture. I'll tell you what, there'll be plenty on here when this rag bag of a welsh team gets shafted and I would expect it. Lets see you come out with the same remarks then Ok - What is this a fecking wake or what


Other than the 'thumb'sup (which is annoying after a while Smile )I don't find your posts irritating because they are posted in good humor. Can't say that for all the Welsh posters but then we have 'glory and one or two other embarrassing English ones.

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Post by rodders Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:02 pm

Exactly ruby - look at the heartbreak you guys had to endure over the years - getting KO'd by Fiji in 07 and then Warbs getting sent off for almost killing France's winger when you had one foot in the final.
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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:09 pm

rodders wrote:Exactly ruby - look at the heartbreak you guys had to endure over the years - getting KO'd by Fiji in 07 and then Warbs getting sent off for almost killing France's winger when you had one foot in the final.



Ok Rodders there's no need for that sort of abusive shxt on here, I'd repressed those memories in my 18 sessions of EMDR - Go away you nasty little troll - On 2nd thoughts, keep it up 'cos you got France next devil

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Post by aucklandlaurie Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:11 pm

lostinwales wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:Because it wasn't punished at the time and they think it should have been. Burgess managed to escape but was warned. Should Farrell really have got that card given I've seen tries ruled out for less of an obstruction and given Lydiates no arm tackle was fine the previous week Farrells looked no worse.

Burgess for me was a little lucky even with the slight dip for the Aussie.


Lydiates what?????

You're making stuff up now 'ate. Have some grace, your team lost. Be a man and take it.

Calm down you'll give yourself an ulcer. I think there are similarities in the perfectly legal tackle by Lydiate on Wood and Farrells illegal tackle. Both made moves afterwards to wrap the arms poorly.

Outside of tour usual BS on this site our comments on the Lydiate tackle are irrelevant seeing as the ref looked over it carefully and decided it was OK.

Having said that I saw (I think it was) a Samoan get yellow carded for a no arm tackle. His arm was 'moving around' in exactly the same way that Lydiate's was when his shoulder went into his opponent. Which is to say had the referee been different there may well have been more of a sanction for Lydiate, and there may also have been more of a tendency to go for the card with Samoa who have a rep for such things against Lydiate who doesn't.


Ever heard of the term "racial profiling"?

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Post by rodders Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:13 pm

RubyGuby wrote:
rodders wrote:Exactly ruby - look at the heartbreak you guys had to endure over the years - getting KO'd by Fiji in 07 and then Warbs getting sent off for almost killing France's winger when you had one foot in the final.



Ok Rodders there's no need for that sort of abusive shxt on here, I'd repressed those memories in my 18 sessions of EMDR - Go away you nasty little troll - On 2nd thoughts, keep it up 'cos you got France next devil

France are itching to get a crack at the kiwis - they might even forfeit the game ... )
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Post by dummy_half Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:14 pm

LiW

It's a good point - the Law requires the tackler to 'try to grasp' the opponent. To my eyes, Farrell made a fairly cursory effort to do this, although was mainly concerned with getting the big shoulder impact. Other refs have let similar go in the past.

Of course it rather balances out in that Burgess should have been penalised and probably carded for the high tackle on Hooper (iirc) at the same time as Farrell was rearranging Giteau's ribs.

I don't think Lydiate really made an attempt to grasp Wood but dangled his arm out in roughly the direction of the runner. In other ways it was a less dangerous tackle (the consequences being a different matter - these low 'chopping' tackles vary in effectiveness based on the balance of the ball carrier). A different day and a different ref might have given the penalty and a card

Again, a rugby union law that is subjective and open to interpretation by the ref. And of course we all know that some players have the reputation for being 'clean' players and will get away with a lot more than someone with an existing rep as a dirty player (e.g Dylan Hartley, who I think gets an automatic yellow card just for taking to the pitch)

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:17 pm

I like the racial profiling quote, both clever and apt. If it was Rollaind they would have all got reds


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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:43 pm

Biltong wrote:
Cyril wrote:
Biltong wrote:Is Farrell out for shouldering Giteau this past weekend?

Farrell was carded during the game. Hooper wasn't.

Why does that matter?

Same transgression.


I agree, it's another strange and inconsistent decision that seems to have blighted this RWC.
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Post by Steffan Tue 06 Oct 2015, 3:49 pm

bedfordwelsh wrote:If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it
That's because you Welsh fans on here are all the same

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Post by Seagultaf Tue 06 Oct 2015, 4:13 pm

Hooper got banned because he was wearing the wrong colour jersey, this offence was a yellow at worst, whilst Farrells shoulder to the head and neck of Giteau and Woods attempt to kick Liam Williams head off his shoulders were far worse.
Rugby union needs to be far more consistent with its punishment of foul play!

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Post by Cyril Tue 06 Oct 2015, 4:28 pm

Seagultaf wrote:Hooper got banned because he was wearing the wrong colour jersey, this offence was a yellow at worst, whilst Farrells shoulder to the head and neck of Giteau and Woods attempt to kick Liam Williams head off his shoulders were far worse.
Rugby union needs to be far more consistent with its punishment of foul play!
I think all that shows is that people have different opinions or interpretations of events depending on which nation they support.

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Post by bedfordwelsh Wed 07 Oct 2015, 5:12 am

Steffan wrote:
bedfordwelsh wrote:If shoe was on the other foot then us Welsh would have been slated and lambasted to within an inch of our lives and you all know it
That's because you Welsh fans on here are all the same

In what sense Steffan, care to explain?
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Post by RubyGuby Wed 07 Oct 2015, 8:43 am

Yeah that's a strange comment BW, can only assume he's going for the "chip on shoulder" stereotype here - One thing about most welsh fans is that we probably berate our own team more in defeat than opposing fans do. Maybe its because we've had more practice at it. I'm also dropping the thumbs up which I have used for 5-6 years after each post as a mark of respect for those suffering at the moment. Only for 1 week though.

And to think I wore an English shirt up the club for the opening RWC game v Fiji - Hey ho.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:27 am

Steffan is Welsh.

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Post by RubyGuby Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:34 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Steffan is Welsh.

That makes no difference whatsoever - lets see what he has to say if he's man enough to justify his comments

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:37 am

It's a mickey take comment of judging a nation together as one no doubt. Makes a difference.

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Post by RubyGuby Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:51 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a mickey take comment of judging a nation together as one no doubt. Makes a difference.

That's called Racial Stereotyping - Good luck with it.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Wed 07 Oct 2015, 9:53 am

He's Welsh. It's probably a dig at the English if you know his posts. You just assumed he's English and I'm just pointing out he isn't.

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