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Post by George Carlin Sun 11 Oct 2015, 7:26 am

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AUSTRALIA v SCOTLAND

18 October 2015
16:00 BST (UTC+01)
Twickenham, London

Live on telly

Ref: Craig Joubert (South Africa)
ARs: Glen Jackson (New Zealand) and Pascal Gauzere (France)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

A. Head to Head

28 Played 28
19 Won 9
0 Drawn 0
9 Lost 19
671 Points 330

B. Recent Form

23 November 2013
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
15 – 21 to Australia

5 June 2012
Hunter Stadium, Newcastle
6 – 9 to Scotland

21 November 2009
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
9 – 8 to Scotland

25 November 2006
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
15 – 44 to Australia

20 November 2004
Hampden Park, Glasgow
17 – 31 to Australia

C. TEAMS:
AUSTRALIA
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15 Kurtley Beale; 14 Adam Ashley-Cooper, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Matt Giteau, 11 Drew Mitchell; 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Will Genia;

1 Scott Sio, 2Stephen Moore, 3 Sekope Kepu, 4 Kane Douglas, 5 Rob Simmons, 6 Scott Fardy, 7 Michael Hooper, 8 Ben McCalman.

Substitutes: 16 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 17 James Slipper, 18 Greg Holmes, 19 Dean Mumm, 20 Sean McMahon, 21 Nick Phipps, 22 Matt Toomua, 23 Quade Cooper.

SCOTLAND
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15 Stuart Hogg; 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Mark Bennett, 12 Peter Horne 11 Tommy Seymour; 10 Finn Russell,  9 Greig Laidlaw;

1 Alasdair Dickinson, 2 Ross Ford, 3 Willem Nel, 4 Jonny Gray, 5 Richie Gray, 6 Blair Cowan, 7 John Hardie, 8 David Denton. 


Substitutes: 
16 Fraser Brown, 17 Gordon Reid, 18 Jon Welsh, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Josh Strauss, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Richie Vernon, 23 Sean Lamont.


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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:10 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Have no fear..... we have Hardcow.

It certainly has a better ring than Cowhard...

That's normally reserved for Visser when he misses his 27th tackle in a game.
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Post by George Carlin Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:17 pm

cakeordeath wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Scotland can win this game. I don't think they will though. Funnily enough our best chance is a loose game IMO. If it's a forward battle I think we'll be in a lot of trouble. The Ozzie scrum looks strong and we don't have good enough breakdown operators to challenge POOPER.

Keep the ball alive as much as possible during the attack and hold up as many players as possible and we could be competitive.

Wales showed how to stop them well enough though. If we can emulate their defensive structure we could perhaps hold them at bay and funnily enough I think we have a bit more creativity in the backs than that Welsh side.


The backrow is a difficult one for me. I'm not sure trying to compete with POOPER at the breakdown is the way to go. Might just be best to say, here you win the ball on the deck contest and try something else.

You make a good point, Aus might be missing the Poo in Pooper is there is a citing, but unlike Scotland they have some strength in depth
Surely it's just the 'P' in 'Pooper'?

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I found poo funnier.
It totally is.
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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:17 pm

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Australia will have star man David Pocock available for their quarter-final with Scotland after he wasn't cited for a knee to Wales hooker Scott Baldwin.

Pocock was caught on camera dropping a knee into the chest of Baldwin, who was lying on the ground and had been holding onto Pocock's leg to prevent him from leaving the ruck.

Neither the officials or the TMO spotted the incident but there were calls on social media for Pocock to be cited for dangerous play.

However with the 36-hour window following the Test for citings to be made having now closed, Pocock will be free to play.

Pocock was forced off with a calf injury in the second half of Saturday's 15-6 win over Wales at Twickenham but should be fit for this weekend.

Erm, wtf???? Fair to say if Pocock was Samoan he'd be twiddling his thumbs for the next couple of weeks


That is shocking - truly shocking

No wonder the smaller teams get fed up -

This really does disgust me


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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:18 pm

Not forgetting Hardie and Denton - Hardon. Erm

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:20 pm

Strok Hardon?

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:22 pm

We’ll need to be careful not to combine Hardon with Pooper, although some people like that kind of thing! Run

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:22 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Not forgetting Hardie and Denton - Hardon. Erm

Not forgetting Wilson and...... well just Wilson - Crapot

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:23 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Strok Hardon?

laughing notworthy

You should retire from the Forum Tattie, it won't get any better than that
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Post by LondonTiger Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:24 pm

Riskysports wrote:
GLove39 wrote:


Australia will have star man David Pocock available for their quarter-final with Scotland after he wasn't cited for a knee to Wales hooker Scott Baldwin.

Pocock was caught on camera dropping a knee into the chest of Baldwin, who was lying on the ground and had been holding onto Pocock's leg to prevent him from leaving the ruck.

Neither the officials or the TMO spotted the incident but there were calls on social media for Pocock to be cited for dangerous play.

However with the 36-hour window following the Test for citings to be made having now closed, Pocock will be free to play.

Pocock was forced off with a calf injury in the second half of Saturday's 15-6 win over Wales at Twickenham but should be fit for this weekend.

Erm, wtf???? Fair to say if Pocock was Samoan he'd be twiddling his thumbs for the next couple of weeks


That is shocking - truly shocking

No wonder the smaller teams get fed up -

This really does disgust me


Pocock received a Citing Commisioners Warning - ie a retrospective YC.


Jonny Gray and Ross Ford however have been cited.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:27 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Riskysports wrote:
GLove39 wrote:


Australia will have star man David Pocock available for their quarter-final with Scotland after he wasn't cited for a knee to Wales hooker Scott Baldwin.

Pocock was caught on camera dropping a knee into the chest of Baldwin, who was lying on the ground and had been holding onto Pocock's leg to prevent him from leaving the ruck.

Neither the officials or the TMO spotted the incident but there were calls on social media for Pocock to be cited for dangerous play.

However with the 36-hour window following the Test for citings to be made having now closed, Pocock will be free to play.

Pocock was forced off with a calf injury in the second half of Saturday's 15-6 win over Wales at Twickenham but should be fit for this weekend.

Erm, wtf???? Fair to say if Pocock was Samoan he'd be twiddling his thumbs for the next couple of weeks


That is shocking - truly shocking

No wonder the smaller teams get fed up -

This really does disgust me


Pocock received a Citing Commisioners Warning - ie a retrospective YC.


Jonny Gray and Ross Ford however have been cited.

For what??! You got a link?
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Post by LondonTiger Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:29 pm

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/111671

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:30 pm

Note the independent citing commisioner for Scotland v Samoa was an australian Very Happy

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Post by GLove39 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:31 pm

Also what've Ford & Ickle been cited for???

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:32 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Riskysports wrote:
GLove39 wrote:


Australia will have star man David Pocock available for their quarter-final with Scotland after he wasn't cited for a knee to Wales hooker Scott Baldwin.

Pocock was caught on camera dropping a knee into the chest of Baldwin, who was lying on the ground and had been holding onto Pocock's leg to prevent him from leaving the ruck.

Neither the officials or the TMO spotted the incident but there were calls on social media for Pocock to be cited for dangerous play.

However with the 36-hour window following the Test for citings to be made having now closed, Pocock will be free to play.

Pocock was forced off with a calf injury in the second half of Saturday's 15-6 win over Wales at Twickenham but should be fit for this weekend.

Erm, wtf???? Fair to say if Pocock was Samoan he'd be twiddling his thumbs for the next couple of weeks


That is shocking - truly shocking

No wonder the smaller teams get fed up -

This really does disgust me


Pocock received a Citing Commisioners Warning - ie a retrospective YC.


Jonny Gray and Ross Ford however have been cited.

Eh - what for?

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:34 pm

see the link I posted.

Did not see the game, but based on the official language looks like a gang spear tackle.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:35 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Note the independent citing commisioner for Scotland v Samoa was an australian Very Happy

can't be bothered opening up another conspiracy can of worms about how lower tier nations are treated by the IRB judiciary system Wink  Rolling Eyes

However Johnny Gray and Ross Ford are not dirty players and I can only hope that stands them in good stead. Apparently it was for a dangerous tackle.

Despite the Samoan's tackling round the neck and throwing forearms I feel we might be getting mugged off a bit here...

Still staggered that Pockock got away with that kneeing another player.

No mention of that Right hook SOB threw at Pape either?


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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:36 pm

Don't think I've ever experienced anything so pathetic.

Australian official cites 2 Scotland players just before the 1/4 finals.

What an utter end of the bell.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:36 pm

Unless they're guilty of course.

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Post by LondonTiger Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:36 pm

That report is only looking at the games on Saturday. Goit until midnight before the announce anything from sunday

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:38 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Unless they're guilty of course.

I don't recall seeing any such incident but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like I said Gray and Ford have exemplary discipline records. Hopefully that will count for something.
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Post by GLove39 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:45 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Unless they're guilty of course.

I don't recall seeing any such incident but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like I said Gray and Ford have exemplary discipline records. Hopefully that will count for something.

Likewise. Admittedly I was sitting about 100 miles away from the action in the gods at SJP, but still...


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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:47 pm

Was this the clear out where the guy landed awkwardly? His legs were lifted up and he landed either on his shoulders or head - I can't remember the details.

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Post by GLove39 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:48 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Was this the clear out where the guy landed awkwardly? His legs were lifted up and he landed either on his shoulders or head - I can't remember the details.

any idea when this happened?

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:49 pm

Couldn't tell you, but I do remember seeing it at the time and thinking it looked dodgy. They didn't show any replays though.

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Post by EWT Spoons Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:50 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Tattie Scones RRN wrote:Unless they're guilty of course.

I don't recall seeing any such incident but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Like I said Gray and Ford have exemplary discipline records. Hopefully that will count for something.

Just miss 1-2 games due to their good records, back for the final!!  Smile Whistle

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Post by GLove39 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 2:51 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Couldn't tell you, but I do remember seeing it at the time and thinking it looked dodgy.  They didn't show any replays though.


ahhh well, shall have a flick through the game. In the mean time I'm going to jump on twitter and call Brett Gosper a jock hating racist, maybe send him a photo of some KKK members as well...

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:05 pm

Fearing the worst, if they both get banned it really will create a sense of injustice in the squad, which will only help their mentality for Sunday I suppose.

Losing Ford wouldn't be a complete disaster - Brown has been pretty good, although I'm not overly confident about Bryce's impact off the bench.

Losing Jonny would be catastrophic though - Swinson is a big step down in quality, and it would mean Denton, Struass or Wilson covering 2nd row.

Grim.

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Post by Biltong Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:08 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Note the independent citing commisioner for Scotland v Samoa was an australian Very Happy

can't be bothered opening up another conspiracy can of worms about how lower tier nations are treated by the IRB judiciary system Wink  Rolling Eyes

However Johnny Gray and Ross Ford are not dirty players and I can only hope that stands them in good stead. Apparently it was for a dangerous tackle.

Despite the Samoan's tackling round the neck and throwing forearms I feel we might be getting mugged off a bit here...

Still staggered that Pockock got away with that kneeing another player.

No mention of that Right hook SOB threw at Pape either?

Well, now we know, if someone is holding on to you, don't knee him, kick him just knock him out Very Happy
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Post by Biltong Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:10 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Fearing the worst, if they both get banned it really will create a sense of injustice in the squad, which will only help their mentality for Sunday I suppose.

Losing Ford wouldn't be a complete disaster - Brown has been pretty good, although I'm not overly confident about Bryce's impact off the bench.

Losing Jonny would be catastrophic though - Swinson is a big step down in quality, and it would mean Denton, Struass or Wilson covering 2nd row.

Grim.

Is there a clip anywhere to see what happened?
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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:12 pm

I'm sure one will appear soon enough.

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:44 pm

Before I jump up and down and say the world is unfair on Scotland I will wait until the clip is shown


Thought Tiny Tim had actually player quite well and (whispers) not 100% convinced Ickly J has been that great so far - not terrible, but not great




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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:55 pm

ESPN were alluding to this 'blueprint' that stops the wallabies. Yes it's the rush defence and choke tackle. Stop them from scoring tries and you're chances of beating them increase tenfold. I think Scotland have the personnel to do that. But it will take a lot more than that to win and I'm not so sure Scotland have the capabilities to do so against this Wallabies team.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:57 pm

Here is the article: https://www.facebook.com/espnscrum/posts/10153119268053093

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 3:58 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:ESPN were alluding to this 'blueprint' that stops the wallabies. Yes it's the rush defence and choke tackle. Stop them from scoring tries and you're chances of beating them increase tenfold. I think Scotland have the personnel to do that. But it will take a lot more than that to win and I'm not so sure Scotland have the capabilities to do so against this Wallabies team.

I disagree Mikey, I think Scotland have a bit more flair and guile than the current Welsh crop, but I would bet my mortgage that the Welsh and English defense for that matter is much better organised and robust than Scotland's.

We will hemorrhage tries to that Ozzie team.
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Post by cakeordeath Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:24 pm

does anyone when it happened, I recorded the game so can have a squint

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:27 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:ESPN were alluding to this 'blueprint' that stops the wallabies. Yes it's the rush defence and choke tackle. Stop them from scoring tries and you're chances of beating them increase tenfold. I think Scotland have the personnel to do that. But it will take a lot more than that to win and I'm not so sure Scotland have the capabilities to do so against this Wallabies team.

I disagree Mikey, I think Scotland have a bit more flair and guile than the current Welsh crop, but I would bet my mortgage that the Welsh and English defense for that matter is much better organised and robust than Scotland's.

We will hemorrhage tries to that Ozzie team.

If they can score against 13 men then yes they certainly do!

If Scotland can emulate the 'blueprint' then who knows? It should also be noted that Aus have a good defence themselves, so scoring a try past them is also difficult. Three tries held up when you're down a player or two should be highly commended!

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Post by Guest Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:31 pm

cakeordeath wrote:does anyone when it happened, I recorded the game so can have a squint

https://twitter.com/gavinc42/status/653584263607123969

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:33 pm

Risca Rev wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:does anyone when it happened, I recorded the game so can have a squint

https://twitter.com/gavinc42/status/653584263607123969

Wow, multiple game bans heading their way then Sad
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Post by cakeordeath Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:35 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
Risca Rev wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:does anyone when it happened, I recorded the game so can have a squint

https://twitter.com/gavinc42/status/653584263607123969

Wow, multiple game bans heading their way then Sad

OH FFS. I actually think Ford is in the clear. Ickle Jonny on the other hand. F u c k

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:36 pm

Not great. If anything though Ford went in for a standard clearout and Gray did the leg lifting, so Ford not at fault - Gray in trouble?

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:37 pm

Risca Rev wrote:
cakeordeath wrote:does anyone when it happened, I recorded the game so can have a squint

https://twitter.com/gavinc42/status/653584263607123969

I would hope there are more angles, but it does not look great..

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Post by Guest Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:37 pm

It doesn't look good off that, but vines etc aren't that clear cut.

I didn't get to watch much of the game, but did the tmo even mention foul play, or anything?

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:38 pm

Also, both players probably weren't aware of each other's individual actions - would it have been so bad if Gray had lifted the leg at without Ford being there? That is a fairly standard ruck clear out.

The combination of both made it bad, but by the look of it neither knew what the other was doing...

Going to be interesting to see what comes out of this!

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Post by cakeordeath Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:41 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also, both players probably weren't aware of each other's individual actions - would it have been so bad if Gray had lifted the leg at without Ford being there? That is a fairly standard ruck clear out.

The combination of both made it bad, but by the look of it neither knew what the other was doing...

Going to be interesting to see what comes out of this!

We don't have a good record of doing well with the disciplinary panel, if only JG had kneed him on the way down we would be ok.

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:42 pm

One thing that sometimes is taken into account is the person was always in contact with the ground - so no 'lifting and dropping'

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:44 pm

Well putting my Scottish legal team head on it:

- Neither player could possible have been aware of what the other was doing
- Both individual actions weren't outwith the realms of a standard ruck clear out
- It was an unfortunate coincidence that both things happened at the same time
- Neither player deliberate intended for that to happen - there was no malice in their actions

Easy... chin

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Post by cakeordeath Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:46 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Well putting my Scottish legal team head on it:

- Neither player could possible have been aware of what the other was doing
- Both individual actions weren't outwith the realms of a standard ruck clear out
- It was an unfortunate coincidence that both things happened at the same time
- Neither player deliberate intended for that to happen - there was no malice in their actions

Easy... chin

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Post by RDW Mon 12 Oct 2015, 4:53 pm

Well if Pocock can appear to deliberately and intentionally knee a player on the ground and get away with it I'm sure we'll be fine...! Rolling Eyes

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Post by R!skysports Mon 12 Oct 2015, 5:18 pm

Wilson got in the dirtest player of the week

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/dirtiest-plays-of-the-weekend-rwc-badboys-show-their-true-colours-in-pool-play-s-final-round-avid-060a2b340101010501010f1013-000000-488a69e4dadf0094-5e020060dd44-a8b1.html

Also, how Pocock not banned - I have no idea

Great view on the Irish punch

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Post by cakeordeath Mon 12 Oct 2015, 5:26 pm

Riskysports wrote:Wilson got in the dirtest player of the week

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/rugby/dirtiest-plays-of-the-weekend-rwc-badboys-show-their-true-colours-in-pool-play-s-final-round-avid-060a2b340101010501010f1013-000000-488a69e4dadf0094-5e020060dd44-a8b1.html

Also, how Pocock not banned  - I have no idea

Great view on the Irish punch

That was a good view of Pocock as well. I agree how the hell did he not get citied

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