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Post by George Carlin Mon 12 Oct 2015, 7:06 am

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NEW ZEALAND v FRANCE

17 October 2015
KO: 20:00 BST (UTC+01)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

Live on telly

Ref: Nigel Owens (Wales)
ARs: Jaco Peyper (South Africa) and John Lacey (Ireland)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

55 Played 55
42 Won 12
1 Drawn 1
12 Lost 42
1,345 Points 713

B. Recent Form

9 November 2013
Stade de France, Saint-Denis
19 – 26 to New Zealand

22 June 2013
Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth
24 – 9 to New Zealand

15 June 2013
Rugby League Park, Christchurch
30 – 0 to New Zealand

8 June 2013
Eden Park, Auckland
23 – 13 to New Zealand

23 October 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
8 – 7 to New Zealand

24 September 2011
Eden Park, Auckland
37 – 17 to New Zealand

28 November 2009
Stade Vélodrome, Marseille
12 – 39 to New Zealand

20 June 2009
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
14 – 10 to New Zealand

13 June 2009
Carisbrook, Dunedin
22 – 27 to France

6 October 2007
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff, Wales
18 – 20 to France

C. TEAMS:

NEW ZEALAND
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Ben Smith; Nehe Milner-Skudder, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea; Dan Carter, Aaron Smith; Wyatt Crockett, Dane Coles, Owen Franks, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Jerome Kaino, Richie McCaw (capt), Kieran Read.

Replacements: Keven Mealamu, Joe Moody, Charlie Faumuina, Victor Vito, Sam Cane, Tawera Kerr-Barlow, Beauden Barrett, Sonny Bill Williams

FRANCE
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Scott Spedding; Noa Nakaitaci, Alexandre Dumoulin, Wesley Fofana, Brice Dulin; Frederic Michalak, Morgan Parra; Eddy Ben Arous, Guilhem Guirado, Rabah Slimani, Pascal Pape, Yoann Maestri, Thierry Dusautoir (capt), Bernard Le Roux, Louis Picamoles.

Replacements: Dimitri Szarzewski, Vincent Debaty, Nicolas Mas, Damien Chouly, Yannick Nyanga, Rory Kockott, Remi Tales, Mathieu Bastareaud


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Post by eirebilly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:06 pm

quinsforever wrote:better clinical rugby no doubt. but the original comment was about best match.

Sorry that you cant enjoy this...
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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:06 pm

Flip me quins, you are a bundle of fun aren't you? Thanks for your valuable input on the subjective question of what is the best game of the tournament...

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:08 pm

McCaw is such a pathetic cheat. Embarrassing.

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Post by westisbest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:08 pm

Cloggie wrote:New Zealand are awesome... By the way, did anybody else just hear "The Fields of Athenry" being belted from the stands?

Yep, warming up their vocal cords for tomorrow.

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Post by Pal Joey Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:09 pm

eirebilly wrote:Still not writing off a 99 style French come back Wink

Maybe but who will be the Lamaison style playmaker? Both teams are already out on their legs.
Yeah, I think there will be some more twists and turns, a lucky bounce of the ball for France here and there... but NZ won't lose this one.
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Post by ME-109 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:09 pm

Oh oh...you cant touch st. richie....even though he is being a complete bollix...

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Post by RDW Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:10 pm

Sensible call for the yellow - stupid from Picamoles. You're never going to get away with that.

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:10 pm

awful refereeing

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Post by ME-109 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:11 pm

Professional foul surely from Richie.... the big jessie.

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:11 pm

yellow and reversing the decision? thats a double penalty

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:11 pm

Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

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Post by BamBam Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:11 pm

Even if he is being a bollix, can't do what Picamoles did! Definitely a yellow for me

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Post by kingraf Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:13 pm

Seems Michalak was a little optimistic giving France a two percent chance
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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:13 pm

yellow fine. but you cant reverse the penalty

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Post by Notch Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

Um, yes duty that's what the penalty was for. And then Picamoles punched him in the face which supersedes his offence.

Gotta love people so bitter about New Zealand that a yellow for punching a guy in the face is 'awful refereeing' Rolling Eyes
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Post by ebop Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

sh*t game
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Post by BamBam Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

NZ playing like this is pretty much the reason I got into rugby, so so good to watch as a neutral

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Post by Notch Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

quinsforever wrote:yellow fine. but you cant reverse the penalty

On the contrary if you give a yellow, you must reverse the penalty.
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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:14 pm

Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:15 pm

Notch wrote:Um, yes duty that's what the penalty was for. And then Picamoles punched him in the face which supersedes his offence.

Gotta love people so bitter about New Zealand that a yellow for punching a guy in the face is 'awful refereeing' Rolling Eyes
wasnt a punch. owens specifically said it wasnt. have another go.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:15 pm

Notch wrote:Um, yes duty that's what the penalty was for. And then Picamoles punched him in the face which supersedes his offence.

Gotta love people so bitter about New Zealand that a yellow for punching a guy in the face is 'awful refereeing' Rolling Eyes

It wasn't a punch. The referee said as much. It was a tap.

Something that Richie McCaw would get away with the other way round.

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

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Post by eirebilly Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

I like Nigel Owens, I really do but the AB's are getting away with loads here.
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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

The bitterness on 606 towards NZ is unreal. I'm an Aussie so have more cause than most!!

Get a grip

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

wasnt a punch. do you not have ref commentary wherever you are all watching? or do you just not care?

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Post by Notch Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:16 pm

Three cheers for the bitter brigade...
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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm

Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

A closed fist to the face is auto yellow. If it was a full punch it is red

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:18 pm

mccaw probably needed that lie down. im sure he didnt do it to try to get picamoles red carded or anything...

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:18 pm

McCaw should have been binned for a combination of:

a) Coming up the side of the maul (initial penalty)
b) Lying on the wrong side of the ruck
c) Lying on top of the ball to prevent the French taking a quick tap penalty

All in his own 22 as well.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:19 pm

quinsforever wrote:wasnt a f4cking punch. do you not have ref commentary wherever you are all watching? or do you just not care?

Not drink your coffee this morning? Calm down, sir.

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:19 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

A closed fist to the face is auto yellow. If it was a full punch it is red
bahahaha. find me that one in the rules. dont make declarative statements if your that clueless. censored

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Post by RDW Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:19 pm

Things are getting a bit heated here - I'm sure no one wants to end up with a ban for getting too carried away.

Can we not just enjoy some exciting rugby?

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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:19 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

A closed fist to the face is auto yellow. If it was a full punch it is red

Laugh Are you making this up as you go along?

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Post by westisbest Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:20 pm

Ireland fans taking over.

Good singing people.

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Post by AFewTooManyKnocks Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:20 pm

Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

A closed fist to the face is auto yellow. If it was a full punch it is red

Laugh Are you making this up as you go along?

Go read the rule book. That's all that needs to be said.

As mentioned just watch the rugby.

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Post by RubyGuby Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:22 pm

It wasn't a punch it was a fist to the face Headscratch

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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:22 pm

i have read the laws. all of them. you invented the closed fist to the face. it is NOT mentioned in the laws.

therefore you must be either wumming or trying to pull a fast one over people who dont know the specifics of the laws.

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Post by Pal Joey Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:22 pm

France's tactic of wearing their red strip in Cardiff is clearly not working.
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Post by Notch Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

Simply majestic stuff from the All Blacks here
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Post by Pal Joey Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

Carter having a blinder. Like 2005 all over again!
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Post by ebop Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:24 pm

Another try
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Post by Duty281 Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:
AFewTooManyKnocks wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Reverse the penalty? Laugh

Well flipping done referee. Nothing about McCaw blatantly coming in from the side, laying on the wrong side, and preventing the quick take of the penalty?

Atrocious officiating. Shouldn't New Zealand just get the cup now?

You're either a blatant troll, or you have no clue about rugby at all.

McCaw was penalised for being a nuisance. The French guy punched him. Reversed. Simple as that.

Quit the pathetic trolling

The French guy did not punch him. The referee said he didn't punch him.

A closed fist to the face is auto yellow. If it was a full punch it is red

Laugh Are you making this up as you go along?

Go read the rule book. That's all that needs to be said.

As mentioned just watch the rugby.

There's nothing in the rule book about 'closed' or 'open' fists.

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:France's tactic of wearing their red strip in Cardiff is clearly not working.

Did they not know it doesn't work for the Welsh against the SH? Run

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Post by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

Should of increased my guess of NZ by 26

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Post by ebop Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

Quins, straight jacket is on the way mate.
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Post by quinsforever Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

Notch wrote:Simply majestic stuff from the All Blacks here
are jou joking? 3rd breakaway/chargedown/turnover try and its simply majestic? against france? im sorry but thats actually funny

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Post by RubyGuby Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:27 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:France's tactic of wearing their red strip in Cardiff is clearly not working.

It is - they're getting the same score we usually do v the Blacks

thumbsup

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Post by Notch Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:27 pm

Law 10.4

(a) Punching or striking. A player must not strike an opponent with the fist or arm, including the elbow, shoulder, head or knee(s).

Seems extremely obvious that Picamoles actions involved striking McCaw in the face with his fist. You have to be pretty blinkered to objet to a yellow for that.
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Post by nathan Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:27 pm

Everything working for NZ in this game

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Post by Rory_Gallagher Sat 17 Oct 2015, 9:28 pm

Quins - what are you doing here? You're embarrassing yourself, you're like the loud and obnoxious drunk at the pub who refuses to go home. Just let people enjoy the game, flip me. Laugh

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