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Post by George Carlin Mon 12 Oct 2015, 7:23 am

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IRELAND v ARGENTINA

18 October 2015
KO: 13:00 BST (UTC+01)
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [tbc]

Ref: Jerome Garcès (France)
ARs: Romain Poite (France)and Chris Pollock (NZ)
TMO: George Ayoub (Australia)

A. Head to Head

15 Played 15
10 Won 5
0 Drawn 0
5 Lost 15
331 Points 283

B. Recent Form

14 June 2014
Estadio Monumental José Fierro, Tucumán
17 – 23 to Ireland

7 June 2014
Estadio Centenario, Resistencia
17 – 29 to Ireland

24 November 2012
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
46 – 24 to Ireland

28 November 2010
Aviva Stadium, Dublin
29 – 9 to Ireland

22 November 2008
Croke Park, Dublin
17 – 3 to Ireland

30 September 2007
Parc des Princes, Paris, France
30 – 15 to Argentina

2 June 2007
Estadio José Amalfitani, Buenos Aires
16 – 0 to Argentina

C. TEAMS:

IRELAND
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15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster)
14. Tommy Bowe (Belfast Harlequins/Ulster)
13. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster)
12. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Connacht)
11. Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster)
10. Johnny Sexton (St Mary's College/Leinster)
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster)
1. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster)
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster)
3. Mike Ross (Clontarf/Leinster)
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster)
5. Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster)
6. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster)
7. Chris Henry (Malone/Ulster)
8. Jamie Heaslip (Dublin University/Leinster) captain

Replacements;
16. Richardt Strauss (Old Wesley/Leinster)
17. Jack McGrath (St Mary's College/Leinster)
18. Nathan White (Connacht)
19. Donnacha Ryan (Shannon/Munster)
20. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary's College/Leinster)
21. Eoin Reddan (Old Crescent/Leinster)
22. Ian Madigan (Blackrock/Leinster)
23. Luke Fitzgerald (Blackrock/Leinster)

ARGENTINA
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15. Joaquin Tuculet
14. Santiago Cordero
13. Matías Moroni
12. Juan Martín Hernández
11. Juan Imhoff
10. Nicolás Sánchez
9. Martín Landajo
1. Marcos Ayerza
2. Agustín Creevy (c)
3. Ramiro Herrera
4. Guido Petti
5. Tomás Lavanini
6. Pablo Matera
7. Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe
8. Leonardo Senatore

Replacements:
16. Julián Montoya
17. Lucas Noguera
18. Juan Pablo Orlandi
19. Matías Alemanno
20. Facundo Isa
21. Tomás Cubelli
22. Jerónimo De La Fuente
23. Lucas González Amorosino


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Post by fa0019 Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:21 pm

Argentina beat the boks in South Africa this year. People can say the boks are poor but it doesn't take away the point no home nation bar England have ever won in SA and they haven't done it since 2000.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:21 pm

RubyGuby wrote:
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RubyGuby wrote:Anyone on here from Sneem in Kerry?

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Kerry people arent allowed to comment on Rugby unless they have gone through rigorous electric shock therapy.


Ooops! I didn't know that, strangely enough I'm the fella that usually gives the ECT!!!! - My grandfather was born in Sneem and his family hails from there - On the plus side I've now won 6 Grand Slams and 8 championships in the past 10 years.


Lucky you, Ruby. Fighters on both sides of the family! A Welsh/Irish cross must be one fierce beast!

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Post by SecretFly Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:23 pm

fa0019 wrote:Argentina beat the boks in South Africa this year. People can say the boks are poor but it doesn't take away the point no home nation bar England have ever won in SA and they haven't done it since 2000.

They didn't catch the Boks when they were poor???? Wink

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Post by fa0019 Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:24 pm

SecretFly wrote:
RubyGuby wrote:
ME-109 wrote:
RubyGuby wrote:Anyone on here from Sneem in Kerry?

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Kerry people arent allowed to comment on Rugby unless they have gone through rigorous electric shock therapy.


Ooops! I didn't know that, strangely enough I'm the fella that usually gives the ECT!!!! - My grandfather was born in Sneem and his family hails from there - On the plus side I've now won 6 Grand Slams and 8 championships in the past 10 years.


Lucky you, Ruby.  Fighters on both sides of the family!  A Welsh/Irish cross must be one fierce beast!

An Afrikaner-Samoan... now that would be the ultimate rugby player. Probably will happen sooner or later given the numbers of both in NZ.

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Post by fa0019 Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:25 pm

SecretFly wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Argentina beat the boks in South Africa this year. People can say the boks are poor but it doesn't take away the point no home nation bar England have ever won in SA and they haven't done it since 2000.

They didn't catch the Boks when they were poor???? Wink

Thus far Wales and Scotland have had their best shots in the UK too. Couldn't see England beating them nor Ireland had they put out the same   side as they did on Saturday.

Real test to that will come next year though... 3 away games fly, a win has to be the target.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:26 pm

rodders wrote: How many wins do you think the 6N teams would pick up in the RC over 2 or 3 seasons - on the evidence of the RWC not many.

Over three years rodders? I'd hope for about two or three. Mostly against Australia.


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Post by SecretFly Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:29 pm

fa0019 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Argentina beat the boks in South Africa this year. People can say the boks are poor but it doesn't take away the point no home nation bar England have ever won in SA and they haven't done it since 2000.

They didn't catch the Boks when they were poor???? Wink

Thus far Wales and Scotland have had their best shots in the UK too. Couldn't see England beating them nor Ireland had they put out the same side as they did on Saturday.

Real test to that will come next year though... 3 away games fly, a win has to be the target.

We'd hope to try and not put out a team like last Saturday fa Wink Doing so might be considered a might negligent if a better side was around and not on crutches. But there you go. As you say we'll see next year. I only hope SA are 'poor' for one or two of the games so that we can compare ourselves more realistically with Argentina.... a team that caught us in a 'poor' moment too.

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Post by RubyGuby Tue 20 Oct 2015, 1:39 pm

Isn't Uruguay in the Southern Hemisphere - Make that 3 wins out of 29

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Post by brennomac Tue 20 Oct 2015, 2:25 pm

Since this has turned into a whither Ireland thread any views out there on Connacht bringing in Aj McGinty. I know he's Irish and a decent player but after playing for the US I assume he's NIQ. Wouldn't Ireland be better off farming out the likes of Marsh to Connacht develop his game in the Pro12 rather than being no. 3 in Leinster behind Sexton and Madigan. We need to expose our good young players to a higher level of rugby if we are to develop a team to compete in 2019.

No blame on McGinty, I'm sure he's delighted at the prospect of playing in his homeland and playing in the Pro12 rather than the US certainly won't dent his international prospects with the US.

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Post by SecretFly Tue 20 Oct 2015, 2:37 pm

Yes, brennomac... it is time to be ultra selfish with team spaces.

Ship him back to the US. He'll only be spying on us anyway and telling his mates how we do things and how Henshaw ticks Wink

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Post by Shifty Tue 20 Oct 2015, 2:43 pm

rodders wrote:
Shifty wrote:
Now lets look at some of their losses:
Argentina 3-32 England
Argentina 26-51 England
South Africa 73 - 13 Argentina
Argentina 17 - 54 Australia
Wales 40 - 6 Argentina
Scotland 41 - 31 Argentina

Hell even Scotland beat them home and away in that time period.

Sorry no, Argentina aren't that good, they had a very, very easy pool and played an abject Ireland team that shorn of it's 2 best players threw in the towel.

Argentina rarely get access to their top players so they don't get anything like the preperation the tier 1 sides do. When they do they are as good as any side in the world. Not surprisingly this tends to coincide with RWCs.

They are definitely a notch up on the 6N teams at the minute. How many wins do you think the 6N teams would pick up in the RC over 2 or 3 seasons - on the evidence of the RWC not many.

Sorry but I think your a couple of years out of date, most of Argentinas players went home to play for Buenos Aires the new Super Rugby team, pretty much all of their players where in France a couple of years ago, but out of their 31 man world cup squad, 21 of them are signed to the new super team, 4 more are unattached and in negotiations to join them.  2 play in France and 5 in England.   So 7 players out of 31 are playing outside of Argentina at the moment, it's hardly a case of saying Argentina doesn't have access to them.

11 of Wales world cup squad don't play in Wales and that's not including Jonathan Davies and Halfpenny!
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Post by Shifty Tue 20 Oct 2015, 2:55 pm

SecretFly wrote:
fa0019 wrote:Argentina beat the boks in South Africa this year. People can say the boks are poor but it doesn't take away the point no home nation bar England have ever won in SA and they haven't done it since 2000.

They didn't catch the Boks when they were poor???? Wink

Actually Wales did, they just didn't win! Whistle
71 minutes into the game South Africa 17 - 30 Wales
80 minutes into the game South Africa 31 - 30 Wales Headscratch
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Post by Notch Tue 20 Oct 2015, 2:57 pm

Right, this thread is too long- basically its going to be locked and if you want to continue the topic someone can start an Ireland World Cup Post-mortem thread.
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