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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:51 pm

Well he feckin is !  lets make sure we do it boys ?
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:51 pm

Thanks Schizoid that's most helpful Rolling Eyes
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:53 pm

i know we mere NH teams wont win but thanks for that Joubert you Frak disgarace
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:55 pm

He should have sent it to the TMO. He made a mistake.

We failed to gather 3 restarts and played a stupidly overcomplicated line out inside our 10 meter line in the poring rain whilst ahead with 2 minutes in the clock.

Throw to 2, stick it up the jumper,  punt it out. Done.

Instead we flung it to the tail and...  Well the rest is history.


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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:55 pm

I was about to start a thread to take it away from the Scottish thread to let them focus on their pain...


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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:56 pm

Matt Dawson is Fizzing...

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 6:59 pm

and when this distressing forum says muppet i say cheating Kumquat
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:00 pm

For Kumquat i say ladies front toilet area = Muppet
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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:01 pm

hahahaha those last 2 comments were worth the read solely lol

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:03 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:For Kumquat i say ladies front toilet area = Muppet

Schizoid, you are cheering me up brother Hug
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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:05 pm

WTF will D4 do about it - nothing !
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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:08 pm

he made some bad calls. I just can't see how he can continue to officiate big games if he makes such bad calls. Take the 2011 final. It was ridiculous. Take today.... big calls  which I hear most pundits feel are harsh not just one eyed fans. Look AUS were marginally the better side, Scotland rode their luck and made their own luck for much of the game but it doesn't mean Joubert was justified. He simply looks uneasy at the highest level and premeditates calls. He doesn't belong at the highest level.

He was just too trigger happy for me. He was so sure of himself when usually referees would be cautious. Its like he was hoping for the first infringement to immediately lift his arm.

Just like when pape was felled by O'Brien. Why didn't Owens go to the TMO to check given he was obviously injured to check foul play. O'Brien would have gone off, straight red. A 2 week ban suggest this to be true. You just know world rugby are there to look after their mates.

Would a team like NZ or England as hosts have been treated like that? Doubtful.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:10 pm

OK so say you are Mr Cheaty Joubert/ Christ 2 mins to go . How do I ensure the boys get through ? I know - when the ball is ricocheting around lets give Oz a kickable penalty.

You are a filthy cheating bunch of Kumquat and get on with playing each other. We can do way better in Europe - and make money
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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:11 pm

The 2011 final was a stitch up from start to finish, I have never seen a team be so up against the referee and still come so close to winning.

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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:13 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:The 2011 final was a stitch up from start to finish, I have never seen a team be so up against the referee and still come so close to winning.

I've said that for years, it was a disgrace, and Joubert has had some very one sided performances since then, usually when a NH team plays a SANZAR team.

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Post by VinceWLB Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:16 pm

I actually thought the ball came off Strauss' shoulder which may explain the speed and direction of the ball.

Still i have seen a lot of times a scrum awarded in such situations for accidental offside. The rule isn't quite clear in this regard.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:20 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Thanks Schizoid that's most helpful Rolling Eyes

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Post by Fantasticbarnsmell Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:25 pm

I never realised that Scotland supporters were such bad losers...

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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:37 pm

Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:I never realised that Scotland supporters were such bad losers...

Its actually refreshing to know people have some fight in them.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:38 pm

He Frak is - big time - a disgrace!
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Post by Fantasticbarnsmell Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:39 pm

fa0019 wrote:
Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:I never realised that Scotland supporters were such bad losers...

Its actually refreshing to know people have some fight in them.

The decisions were made and the game is over, who are you going to fight? Scotland were not flawless in every aspect of their game, but by all means keep whinging.

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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:42 pm

The problem for me is Joubert simply doesn't look like he belongs at the elite level... the KO stages of the RWC. AUS were the better side and another day they could have been 20 points ahead easy.
But he seems to leave an uneasy smell around games. Take Owens, outside of the IRE FRA game where whilst Ireland were easily the better side, Owens was rather poor... he's known throughout as an excellent ref.

Look refs are human, they will miss things. However the difference of missing things and being overtly trigger happy and almost looking for infringements. That is the diff between good refs and ones that don't belong in elite rugby.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:42 pm

VinceWLB wrote:I actually thought the ball came off Strauss' shoulder which may explain the speed and direction of the ball.

Still i have seen a lot of times a scrum awarded in such situations for accidental offside. The rule isn't quite clear in this regard.

If the ball did indeed come off a Scottish player, then it was a justifiable penalty because another Scottish player caught the ball and attempted to play it. It's only a scrum if it hits and offside player who is not attempting to play the ball.

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Post by temporary21 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:44 pm

One point to make lads. Apparently he COULDNT go to the TMO by the rules to check the decision anyway. The yellow card was a shame but hes knocked it on with one hand right near their try line, thats asking for serious trouble

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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:44 pm

Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:
fa0019 wrote:
Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:I never realised that Scotland supporters were such bad losers...

Its actually refreshing to know people have some fight in them.

The decisions were made and the game is over, who are you going to fight? Scotland were not flawless in every aspect of their game, but by all means keep whinging.

So saying that its refreshing some people actually show a bit of fight is a whinge... got to try a little harder my wee little troll. Come on, you have to have better than that.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:45 pm

Thanks baw bag. We had an Australian citing boobie feck things uo for us then yesterday it was overturned and now a disgraceful one sided performance from a crap, rubbish one sided boobie of a referee. Yeah good - have a Frak great RWC
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Post by Fantasticbarnsmell Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:46 pm

fa0019 wrote:
Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:
fa0019 wrote:
Fantasticbarnsmell wrote:I never realised that Scotland supporters were such bad losers...

Its actually refreshing to know people have some fight in them.

The decisions were made and the game is over, who are you going to fight? Scotland were not flawless in every aspect of their game, but by all means keep whinging.

So saying that its refreshing some people actually show a bit of fight is a whinge... got to try a little harder my wee little troll. Come on, you have to have better than that.

No, the "showing of a fight" is the whinge. Try redoing your basic English comprehension classes, you can do better than that.

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Post by TJ Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:48 pm

actually he wasn't whistle happy - only 14 pens for both sides in ther game. 8 against scotland, 6 Aus -thats a low number of pens

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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:51 pm

TJ wrote:actually he wasn't whistle happy - only 14 pens for both sides in ther game.  8 against scotland, 6 Aus -thats a low number of pens

Being whistle happy throughout the game is one thing... being whistle happy at the key moment in the match as in final moments, few points in it. Completely different.

In 2011 his whistle had been fedex'd back to SA come the last 20 mins.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:54 pm

fa0019 wrote:
TJ wrote:actually he wasn't whistle happy - only 14 pens for both sides in ther game.  8 against scotland, 6 Aus -thats a low number of pens

Being whistle happy throughout the game is one thing... being whistle happy at the key moment in the match as in final moments, few points in it. Completely different.

In 2011 his whistle had been fedex'd back to SA come the last 20 mins.

I felt he made the right call at the end. Either way he was going to get pilloried by one side or the other...Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:54 pm

fa0019 wrote:
TJ wrote:actually he wasn't whistle happy - only 14 pens for both sides in ther game.  8 against scotland, 6 Aus -thats a low number of pens

Being whistle happy throughout the game is one thing... being whistle happy at the key moment in the match as in final moments, few points in it. Completely different.

In 2011 his whistle had been fedex'd back to SA come the last 20 mins.

I did mention him being poor with around 20 minutes to go, when he was looking to penlise Scotland in a maul they looked good defending, then a scrum Nel had been dragged to ground and made to play away under their own posts.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:54 pm

For the sake of reference

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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:55 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:
fa0019 wrote:
TJ wrote:actually he wasn't whistle happy - only 14 pens for both sides in ther game.  8 against scotland, 6 Aus -thats a low number of pens

Being whistle happy throughout the game is one thing... being whistle happy at the key moment in the match as in final moments, few points in it. Completely different.

In 2011 his whistle had been fedex'd back to SA come the last 20 mins.

I felt he made the right call at the end. Either way he was going to get pilloried by one side or the other...Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

WHAT?! The ball clearly comes back off an Aussie hand, it was the wrong decision, and it cost Scotland the game

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Post by Imperialbigdave Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm

What happened happened. This thread is an embarrasment.
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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm

'Clearly' is a bold word to use. It's clearly not clear. What would you have done? Not penalised it and then had all the Aussie supporters and pundit giving you grief, saying it clearly was offside and his call cost them the game.

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Post by nathan Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm

Really hope this isn't true...

https://twitter.com/rugbydump/status/655819294610030594

Edit: ignore, some sick Meat trombone soloist created a fake account


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Post by fa0019 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 7:59 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:For the sake of reference

but it hits phipps last. Strauss may have bumped into Phipps who touched the ball... to cause it to go forwards but Phipps touched the ball last. That is for sure. Can't be a pen then.

In the end AUS were the better side. It would have been a pickpocket victory... and I'd have taken that but it doesn't mean we shouldn't question Joubert's suitability. Owens lets games flow, gives teams guidence and also in play warning... why in part so many games in refs end up being classics.

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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:00 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:'Clearly' is a bold word to use.  It's clearly not clear.  What would you have done? Not penalised it and then had all the Aussie supporters and pundit giving you grief, saying it clearly was offside and his call cost them the game.

Clearly is the exact word to use, as in it 100% ricochets off Straus shoulder, onto Phipps, then he swipes with his hand and his finger tips clearly change the direction of the ball...

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Post by temporary21 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:01 pm

Sorry but that looks like a scottish knock on... it was their fault for making such a terrible mess of their own line out.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:09 pm

temporary21 wrote:Sorry but that looks like a scottish knock on... it was their fault for making such a terrible mess of their own line out.

It was initially a Scottish knock on but that isn't the point here, the last person who touched the ball however was Phipps and that is why it shouldn't have been a penalty.

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Post by Fanster Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:11 pm

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Post by temporary21 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:15 pm

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/96575

Heres the trouble. Full speed it doesnt look like what the slow mos say whatsoever, looks like it came off the Scottish guy.
However he cant check to make sure because the TMO rules do not allow it, he HAD to make a call, he was b*ggered either way, in the end Scotland were their own worst enemies.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:18 pm

Foul play does include obstruction and any intentional infringement of the laws so yes Joubert could have gone to the TMO.

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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:20 pm

Fanster wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:21 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Foul play does include obstruction and any intentional infringement of the laws so yes Joubert could have gone to the TMO.
World Rugby statement says Joubert could not have referred this matter to the TMO.

Not a great look for the sport when current players, pundits, along with former coaching and playing greats all believe something is possible when the ruling body is clear that it isn't.

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Post by temporary21 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:25 pm

Plus that would mean he could only check for foul play by the Scottish guy, whch would have been a penalty as well if called wouldnt it?

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:25 pm

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Hammersmith harrier wrote:Foul play does include obstruction and any intentional infringement of the laws so yes Joubert could have gone to the TMO.
World Rugby statement says Joubert could not have referred this matter to the TMO.

Not a great look for the sport when current players, pundits, along with former coaching and playing greats all believe something is possible when the ruling body is clear that it isn't.

I think they're covering their backs somewhat, the laws of the game regarding foul play are so open ended you can go to the TMO for pretty much anything.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:26 pm

temporary21 wrote:Plus that would mean he could only check for foul play by the Scottish guy, whch would have been a penalty as well if called wouldnt it?

It would have resulted in a scrum for Oz
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Post by Mr Fishpaste Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:26 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
temporary21 wrote:Sorry but that looks like a scottish knock on... it was their fault for making such a terrible mess of their own line out.

It was initially a Scottish knock on but that isn't the point here, the last person who touched the ball however was Phipps and that is why it shouldn't have been a penalty.

Here is the law from the IRB website:

When a player knocks-on and an offside team-mate next plays the ball, the offside player is liable to sanction if playing the ball prevented an opponent from gaining an advantage.

It doesn't say anything about whether Phipps' contact with the ball (should it have indeed occurred) does or doesn't change it from being a penalty.



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Post by cakeordeath Sun 18 Oct 2015, 8:27 pm

I have a certain amount of sympathy for Joubert, a very very small amount. It is not an easy job. In my opinion he got it wrong, and it is easy to point the finger at him and say he cost Scotland the game, but the truth is the only people we have to blame is ourselves. We Frak it. We should have secured our own lineout. Stuffed it up the jumper and clung onto possession.

The one (massive) criticism I have of the referee is his behavior at the the end of the game, when he sprinted off the pitch

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