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Should Craig Joubert referee another International Test match.

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Post by No9 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 4:00 pm

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Do you think this is the last we see of Craig Joubert on the international scene..

Poll being simply Yes or No.. But feel free to add comments to back up your vote...

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Post by cakeordeath Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:31 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
BamBam wrote:Throwing a lion amongst the pigeons, World Rugby are

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/34576756

This means nothing. It's not as if Australia will be stripped of the three points and IMO they shouldn't be either.

Speaking for myself I  would settle for an apology from Joubert and world rugby though.

I am almost madder at that statement, if true, than the decision. What does this achieve. We lost. Suck it up and move on. Of course we are all entitled to a gripe, but that should never turn into playground name calling

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Post by Heuer27 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:32 pm

I think world rugby has answered this thread question with that statement talk about throwing him under a fast moving bus full of Scotland players.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:35 pm

TJ wrote:I think it was the crowd myself - tens of thousands baying and booing

He's in the wrong job then if that bothers him so much, pathetic excuse for a pathetic action.

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Post by Biltong Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:35 pm

For those of you who stand in judgement of Craig Joubert and calling him pargetic, cowardly, a cheat and what not, I do hope that you don't like in glass houses as I find your judgements absolutely lacking any class whatsoever.

I get that you are upset, but for those of you who now stand in judgement and stood in judgement of SA posters when they vented their disappointment 4 years agom you should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Post by mikey_dragon Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:39 pm

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/13924869/craig-joubert-awarded-scrum-australia-not-penalty-scotland-world-rugby


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Post by 123456789. Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:39 pm

Biltong wrote:For those of you who stand in judgement of Craig Joubert and calling him pargetic, cowardly, a cheat and what not, I do hope that you don't like in glass houses as I find your judgements absolutely lacking any class whatsoever.

I get that you are upset, but for those of you who now stand in judgement and stood in judgement of SA posters when they vented their disappointment 4 years agom you should be ashamed of yourselves.


It's not his performance that has led to the accusations but his decision to flee the pitch, if you can give a genuine reason for why that, in our sport, is acceptable then I would be more than happy to take back my comments. What I would say is that if Matt Giteau had booted the ball of the pitch and then charged up the tunnel and in the process failed to acknowledge his opponents, would you be so forgiving?

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:42 pm

World Rugby have announced he was wrong to award the penalty but remains 'a world class referee'.

Mmmmmmmm.

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Post by goneagain Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:45 pm

It seems that the early exit is a convenient excuse to call for his head after the initial outrage over the penalty decision. All the calls of 'why didn't he use TMO' became untenable once the rules of it's use were understood.
As for the statement by WR, that's just outrageous. Are we now to expect every refereeing error to be exposed with chapter and verse from the rule book?

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Post by goneagain Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:46 pm

Tattie Scones RRN wrote:World Rugby have announced he was wrong to award the penalty but remains 'a world class referee'.

Mmmmmmmm.

So there are no world class referees then?

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Post by Heuer27 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:48 pm

I suspect that we will hear some sort of official statement from Joubert that he is retiring from international rugby now.
It's the only way I can fathom world rugby issuing that statement.

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Post by Tattie Scones RRN Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:49 pm

I wouldn't use the term 'world class'. There are competent referees and there's Joubert.

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Post by goneagain Mon 19 Oct 2015, 7:54 pm

Good answer. Problem is that competence is never universally agreed.

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Post by Fanster Mon 19 Oct 2015, 8:10 pm

It does smack of Allan Rolland around social media right now,

As bad a decision it was, as poor an action sprinting from the field to not face the players was, this furore may be a determinant in the end of what i a young mans career.

For that I sympathise with Joubert, I've never been a fan, but not sure 'stepping down' is the way he needs to be dealt with.

We al have those freeze moments professionally, we've all made that blunder at work where we sit at home all night and fret about the consequences, his has just come in front of a million fans.

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Post by Guest Mon 19 Oct 2015, 8:36 pm

SecretFly wrote:

But I don't get how this run-away has turned into the big event.  He wasn't wanted and he knew it.

Because for some it is an excuse to continue to throw Poopie at the man while denying that it has anything to do with bitterness over the defeat.

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Post by wayne Mon 19 Oct 2015, 8:49 pm

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SecretFly wrote:

But I don't get how this run-away has turned into the big event.  He wasn't wanted and he knew it.

Because for some it is an excuse to continue to throw Poopie at the man while denying that it has anything to do with bitterness over the defeat.
Fuzzy, if the criticism ALL came from within Scotland that could be true, yet it has come from all over the WORLD, including from the country that gained the most.

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Post by Guest Mon 19 Oct 2015, 9:12 pm

wayne wrote:
Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

But I don't get how this run-away has turned into the big event.  He wasn't wanted and he knew it.

Because for some it is an excuse to continue to throw Poopie at the man while denying that it has anything to do with bitterness over the defeat.
Fuzzy, if the criticism ALL came from within Scotland that could be true

Well you've certainly set the threshold high. Shocked

Some criticism is coming from elsewhere, true. There's plenty of examples of that on this thread alone. However from my time on other boards, social media, reddit, etc. the overwhelming majority is coming from Scottish posters. Of course this is hardly an accurate survey and my experience could be completely different from yours.

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Post by TJ Mon 19 Oct 2015, 9:25 pm

Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:
SecretFly wrote:

But I don't get how this run-away has turned into the big event.  He wasn't wanted and he knew it.

Because for some it is an excuse to continue to throw Poopie at the man while denying that it has anything to do with bitterness over the defeat.

Have a read of the game thread. Not much bitterness. Most of accept that it was the bolloxed restarts and lineouts that really cost us..Most ( but not all)of the really critical folk are not scots

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 9:54 pm

I have said numerous times,  I'll say it again anyway,  we made too many errors and let Australia score too many tries. We cocked up 3 restarts and made a horror show of THAT line out.

You can't win a test match making so many mistakes.

Equally Craig Joubert cannot be a top match referee making so many mistakes either.

Professional sports is results driven, the men in the middle are no exception. It's not the first time he has courted controversy either. It does feel he has been hung out to dry by his employer though.
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Post by 123456789. Mon 19 Oct 2015, 9:57 pm

Despite my criticism of Joubert's conduct, which I stand by, he's been hung out to dry here, he's a bad referee and there's no way he'll be able to even nearly referee a match in a competent manner after his performance has been publicly criticised by his employers, in effect World Rugby have announced that the result is invalid. If he comes back from this and puts in a decent performance I'd be hugely surprised.

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Post by sportform Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:11 pm

It was a difficult decision to give on the pitch. A much easier decision to make on tv. The bigger question should be should TMO be used for all possibly scoring incidents, ie for tries and penalties and nothing else.


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Post by temporary21 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:13 pm

Real time he made a sensible decision, it looks damning without slow mo. Without TMO hes well and truly without a prayer there, hes on the wrong side of where it happened.

Agree re the running down the tunnel being a convention way to stay angry at him, and a lot of this lacking any sense of perspective.

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Post by 21st Century Schizoid Man Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:19 pm

Sack him - he is a cheating tool !
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Post by temporary21 Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:21 pm

Just modify the rule to be allowed to check for match hinging moments I guess.
Losing sight really, it was still a Scottish infringement in any case

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Post by 123456789. Mon 19 Oct 2015, 10:38 pm

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:Sack him - he is a cheating tool !

Come on, I'm on your side but what he did was bad enough without throwing in unfounded allegations.

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