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Pro 12: Edinburgh Rugby vs Munster, 7th November

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Post by EWT Spoons Tue 03 Nov 2015, 9:49 am

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Edinburgh Rugby v Munster Rugby
7th November 2015
17:15
BT Murrayfield

TV: Alba & Sky Sports apparently

Referee: David Wilkinson, (IRFU,34th competition game)
Assistant Referees: Neil Paterson, Bob Nevins (both SRU)
Citing Commissioner: John Kirk (SRU)
TMO: Jim Yuille (SRU)

Edinburgh Form

Last 3 Matches
31/10/15 Connacht 14 - 9 Edinburgh
24/10/15 Zebre 19 - 11 Edinburgh
16/10/15 Edinburgh 16 - 10 Ulster

Munster Form

Last 3 Matches
30/10/15 Munster 32 - 28 Ulster
23/10/15 Scarlets 25 - 22 Munster
17/10/15 Munster 35 - 27 Blues

Teams

Edinburgh Rugby
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15 Blair Kinghorn
14 Damien Hoyland
13 Will Helu
12 Matt Scott
11 Tom Brown
10 Greig Tonks
9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne
1 Alasdair Dickinson
2 Ross Ford
3 WP Nel
4 Anton Bresler
5 Alex Toolis
6 Mike Coman (captain)
7 Hamish Watson
8 Cornell Du Preez

Substitutes
16 Neil Cochrane
17 Rory Sutherland
18 John Andress
19 Roddy Grant
20 Nasi Manu
21 Sean Kennedy
22 Andries Strauss
23 Dougie Fife

Munster Rugby
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Simon Zebo;
Gerhard van den Heever,
Keith Earls,
Francis Saili,
Ronan O'Mahony;
Ian Keatley,
Conor Murray;
Dave Kilcoyne,
Duncan Casey,
John Ryan;
Donnacha Ryan,
Dave Foley;
Dave O'Callaghan,
Jack O'Donoghue,
CJ Stander - capt.

Replacements:
Niall Scannell,
James Cronin,
Mario Sagario,
Robin Copeland,
Jordan Coghlan,
Tomás O'Leary,
Rory Scannell,
Denis Hurley


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Post by RDW Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:07 am

Thanks Spoons.

Most worrying news for Edinburgh is that both Burleigh and Kinghorn are doubts.  If Tonks is still injured that means my arch enemy at number 10! Pro 12: Edinburgh Rugby vs Munster, 7th November Banghe10

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Post by EWT Spoons Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:27 am

No worries.

That is worrying. Hopefully he's one of those players who play better when the cameras are on them, considering we have both Sky and Alba

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Post by RDW Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:31 am

Will be an interesting team selection - the first time all the backrow resources will be available.

I still think he should go for a 6/2 split on the bench - even more so given we'll be dealing with the Munster pack. That or pick two back rowers instead of Alex Toolis.

Something like

6 Du Preez (although I'm sure he'll still pick Coman)
7 Hardie
8 Denton

Bench - Watson, Manu

With Watson and Manu seriously upping the anti from 55 minutes off the bench.

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Post by EWT Spoons Tue 03 Nov 2015, 10:43 am

Say what you like about our backs, but our backrow options are brilliant

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Post by RDW Tue 03 Nov 2015, 3:28 pm

McKenzie has copped a 2 week ban for a ruck clear out against Connacht.

With Gilchrist and Toolis injured I guess we'll be seeing my 2 back row bench after all!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Nov 2015, 10:59 am

Lovely work on the thread Spoons.

Bit of a blow to lose McKenzie, for us and for him. I like him as an option for us and he'll have been hoping for a really good run of games in this period.

This would be my team for this (assuming Kinghorn, Burleigh and Tonks are out):

1.Dickinson 2.Ford (c) 3.Nel 4.Bresler 5.A Toolis 6.Du Preez 7.Hardie 8.Manu 9.Hidalgo-Clyne (c) 10.Te Rure 11.Helu 12.Beard 13.Dean 14.Hoyland 15.Cuthbert

16.Sutherland 17.Cochrane 18.Berghan 19.Denton 20.Watson 21.Fowles 22.Strauss 23.Brown

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Post by EWT Spoons Wed 04 Nov 2015, 11:15 am

Cheers FES.

Like your team and two captain approach is an interesting one. Smile

Is Scott injured again/still?

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Post by funnyExiledScot Wed 04 Nov 2015, 11:38 am

In my view you need two captains to replace a leader like Coman.....

I always assume Scott is injured. It's just easier that way. If Scott is fit I'd start him at 12 with Beard at 13, and have Dean on the bench instead of Andries "what am I for" Strauss.

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Post by EWT Spoons Wed 04 Nov 2015, 11:42 am

Fair point about Coman, I believe Al Kellock learnt all he knows about captaining a team from Coman.

Yeah I think it's sadly safe to assume that Scott is injured

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Post by George Carlin Thu 05 Nov 2015, 10:46 am

Who is going to play in the boiler room this week for the wicker picnic basket users?
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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 10:49 am

With Gilchrist and Toolis injured and Mckenzie banned we only have two left – Bresler and the least favourite Toolis.

I suspect he’ll go with the two recognised locks, although he may put Denton in the 2nd row. Denton will be 2nd row cover either way most likely.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:00 am

I did wonder about Denton at lock this weekend. A pack including Denton, Du Preez and Manu is certainly going to want to get its hands on the ball.

Still, not to depart from my mantra of playing people in the correct position, I'd give Alex Toolis 60 minutes at lock. If he isn't going to play lock in this contest, then what's the point of having him in the squad. He's currently earning the tag of "Sep Visser II". In the squad to keep his brother happy!

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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:03 am

I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:06 am

Also, Gilchrist is targeting a return for the Agen game, so we'll only have 2 fit locks next weekend as well.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:14 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Also, Gilchrist is targeting a return for the Agen game, so we'll only have 2 fit locks next weekend as well.

Maybe we can lure Big Al out of retirement for a couple of weeks. Might be nice for him to come back to where it all started for him.....

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Post by Nematode Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:20 am

Could Coman play in the second row? Or could we maybe get a wee loan of Kieran Low?

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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:26 am

I’d probably prefer Coman over Denton in the 2nd row – Coman would be happy to do the donkey work, whereas Denton makes no secret how much he doesn’t like playing there!

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 05 Nov 2015, 11:45 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:I’d probably prefer Coman over Denton in the 2nd row – Coman would be happy to do the donkey work, whereas Denton makes no secret how much he doesn’t like playing there!

Agreed - Coman knows he's just lucky to be getting a game, and he also acts as a lineout jumper anyway.

Plus with Coman at lock it allows us to pick a decent blindside.....

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Post by EWT Spoons Thu 05 Nov 2015, 1:20 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

Not to disappoint...when do we think team will be announced?

Seriously though, I think Alex needs to get a run out, not just because we have no one else left, but because he needs to show he warrants being part of the team and not just because he's Ben's brother. Not saying he doesn't deserve to be in the side, just he needs to take this chance to challenge for his place.

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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 1:29 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

Not to disappoint...when do we think team will be announced?

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3.46am tomorrow morning - worth setting the alarm for OK

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Post by George Carlin Thu 05 Nov 2015, 1:31 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

Not to disappoint...when do we think team will be announced?
When Solomons works out how to use that confounded, new-fangled internet device that the young people have been telling him about.
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Post by EWT Spoons Thu 05 Nov 2015, 1:31 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

Not to disappoint...when do we think team will be announced?

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3.46am tomorrow morning - worth setting the alarm for OK

HA, good man. I'll get the alarm set. OK

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Post by RDW Thu 05 Nov 2015, 1:42 pm

Solomons really is very old:

Grant Gilchrist wrote:“Solly has been coaching for 100 years and never seen the like,” said the lock. “Hopefully it will never happen again.”

When talking about the injury stricken Lyon game - Gilchrist's last appearing for Edinburgh funnily enough!

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Post by VinceWLB Thu 05 Nov 2015, 4:44 pm

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RDW_Scotland wrote:I’d probably prefer Coman over Denton in the 2nd row – Coman would be happy to do the donkey work, whereas Denton makes no secret how much he doesn’t like playing there!

Plus with Coman at lock it allows us to pick a decent blindside.....

Laugh

Good point, ideally Coman the joker would be within the team only in the bus.

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Post by jimbopip Thu 05 Nov 2015, 4:48 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm just waiting on Spoons to ask when the team will be announced.

Not to disappoint...when do we think team will be announced?

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3.46am tomorrow morning - worth setting the alarm for OK

You notice that Glasgow fans never ask that.... we know that the team is announced ten minutes after the Tombola stops whirling round.

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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Nov 2015, 8:47 am

They're taking their time with this team announcement, I've been waiting since 3.46am for it.

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 8:50 am

Laugh

I locked Jade Te Rure in a cupboard so he can't get picked - they'll be busy trying to find him.

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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Nov 2015, 8:59 am

If you've locked Te Rure in a cupboard, and with Kinghorn, Burleigh and Tonks all doubtful, does that worryingly increase the chances of Strauss playing 10, in some kind of Solly special?

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 9:05 am

Jack Cuthbert said in an interview a while ago that he thought he could do a decent job at 10....

He fits the Solomons mould perfectly - kick like a mule with the accuracy of one too, but doesn't bring overly much else!

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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Nov 2015, 9:10 am

Was the 'interview' a head impact assessment question, and did he fail miserably?

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 11:58 am

The Edinburgh and Scotland front row of Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford and WP Nel, alongside centre Matt Scott, return to the starting line-up as Edinburgh meet Munster in the Guinness PRO12 at BT Murrayfield tomorrow (Saturday 7 November, kick-off 5.15pm).

Dickinson, Ford and Nel – who touched down against USA – played in all five of Scotland’s Rugby World Cup matches while Scott featured in four, scoring a bonus point try in the pool win over the north Americans.

Eighteen-year-old Blair Kinghorn keeps his starting spot at fullback with winger Damien Hoyland retaining the 14 shirt.

Will Helu moves from left wing to outside centre with Scott in at inside centre replacing the injured Sam Beard while Tom Brown replaces Helu at 11.

Fully recovered, Greig Tonks comes in at stand-off to replace the injured Phil Burleigh with scrum-half Sam Hidalgo-Clyne retaining the 9 jersey to complete the half-back partnership.

In addition to the returning front row, Alex Toolis moves up from the bench to pair Anton Bresler in the second row, replacing the unavailable Fraser McKenzie.

Mike Coman will again lead the team out at blindside, Hamish Watson returning at openside and Cornell Du Preez moving up from the bench to start in the no 8 jersey.

After opening the season with the best run of results since 2009, Edinburgh have faltered on the road over the last two weekends, most recently experiencing a bonus point defeat to Connacht in Galway.

Munster, meanwhile, have just lost one game, to date, this season, against table-toppers Scarlets though were defeated in the opening round of last season’s Guinness PRO12, at home to Edinburgh.

Head coach Alan Solomons said:

“We are only too aware of the challenge that we face on Saturday and know that we need to be at our best.”

Match details
Saturday’s Guinness PRO12 game against Munster (kick–off 5.15pm) puts the emphasis on a family afternoon out with the return of our popular ‘kids for a quid’ ticket offer. Tickets are available from the Ticket Centre in Roseburn Street, by phone on 0131 346 5160 and online. Adult tickets purchased before midnight tonight cost £20 (increasing to £25 on match day) while tickets for under-18s are from £1 until 5pm this evening (Friday), increasing to £5 after 5pm and on match day. Tickets for senior citizens and students are £10.

Players not considered due to injury
Michael Allen (shoulder), Sam Beard (hip), Phil Burleigh (leg), Grant Gilchrist (groin), Stuart McInally (neck), Jade Te Riure (knee), Ben Toolis (elbow)

Players not considered this week
Fraser McKenzie, David Denton

Edinburgh Rugby v Munster
15 Blair Kinghorn

14 Damien Hoyland

13 Will Helu

12 Matt Scott

11 Tom Brown

10 Greig Tonks

9 Sam Hidalgo-Clyne



1 Alasdair Dickinson

2 Ross Ford

3 WP Nel

4 Anton Bresler

5 Alex Toolis

6 Mike Coman (captain)

7 Hamish Watson

8 Cornell Du Preez



Substitutes

16 Neil Cochrane

17 Rory Sutherland

18 John Andress

19 Roddy Grant

20 Nasi Manu

21 Sean Kennedy

22 Andries Strauss

23 Dougie Fife

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 12:07 pm

Delighted to see Tonks and Kinghorn fit. Dare I say it, that is actually quite an attacking backline! Whether we see much of it or not is another question.

It is amazing how much Dougie Fife has fallen out of favour.

Very solid pack, albeit I think Du Preez is a better 6 than 8.

Strong team - could get the win but it won't be easy.

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 12:10 pm

Munster: Simon Zebo; Gerhard van den Heever, Keith Earls, Francis Saili, Ronan O'Mahony; Ian Keatley, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Duncan Casey, John Ryan; Donnacha Ryan, Dave Foley; Dave O'Callaghan, Jack O'Donoghue, CJ Stander - capt.

Replacements: Niall Scannell, James Cronin, Mario Sagario, Robin Copeland, Jordan Coghlan, Tomás O'Leary, Rory Scannell, Denis Hurley.

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Post by MacKnocked-on Fri 06 Nov 2015, 12:17 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Laugh

I locked Jade Te Rure in a cupboard so he can't get picked - they'll be busy trying to find him.

Like the time Boy George chained that guy to his wall?

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Post by George Carlin Fri 06 Nov 2015, 12:33 pm

Both teams look strong - this should be good.
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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 06 Nov 2015, 2:53 pm

Decent looking team, at least until Strauss and Andress come on, at which point we'll fold like a cheap suit.

But nice to have a few of our internationals back, hoping we can end the wee stutter we had in the last few games and get back to winning ways.

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Post by RDW Fri 06 Nov 2015, 2:58 pm

The Tonks-Scott-Helu axis is a good combination of power and athleticism - hopefully they can make good use of the ball too.

Or, alternatively, chase Tonks' kicks all game.

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Post by Golden Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:30 pm

Thats some jersey you lads are sporting.

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Post by 2ndtimeround Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:53 pm

Why have an Italian Referee in charge of Blues V Glasgow then use an Irish ref for Edinburgh V Munster ?

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Post by BigGee Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:54 pm

Edinburgh scrum looks really strong

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Post by BigGee Sat 07 Nov 2015, 5:58 pm

Better from Edinburgh, but Tonks is no FH. They really do need a playmaker

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Post by 2ndtimeround Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:19 pm

Nice moving the ball around from Edinburgh, good try.

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:20 pm

That is a lovely try

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Post by tigertattie Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:22 pm

Will helllllllooooooooo
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Post by BigGee Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:32 pm

What is it with the Edinburgh passing. Game would be over now if they had managed to make a few of them stick!

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Post by VinceWLB Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:35 pm

Curious to see how Sagario the Uruguayan TH fare against that Edinburgh front row, was only signed on a short term deal.

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Post by RDW Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:38 pm

We really are poor with the ball in hand - don't know what to do with it!

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Post by tigertattie Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:39 pm

We're just so inconsistent

Look at that wee passage. Sam H-C fumbles the ball backwards. Scoops it up and Helu gets it, brown pants it to Tonks who brown pants it to Scott who brown pants is to Watson. We've just lost 30 yards with our own ball. Watson decides enough brown pants and actually takes the ball forward.

Calm down and do the basics.
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Post by RDW Sat 07 Nov 2015, 6:40 pm

Why are we suddenly getting so penalised so much in the scrum?

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