The v2 Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

+22
Exiledinborders
SecretFly
Heaf
Engine#4
mikey_dragon
Cumbrian
Tattie Scones RRN
Pot Hale
formerly known as Sam
eirebilly
BigGee
Hood83
Sgt_Pooly
Chunky Norwich
doctor_grey
Rory_Gallagher
Scottrf
kingelderfield
asoreleftshoulder
thebandwagonsociety
yappysnap
George Carlin
26 posters

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by George Carlin Wed 04 Nov 2015, 6:55 am

First topic message reminder :

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Leinst10          Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Wasps_10
Leinster Rugby v Wasps
Sunday 15th November 2015
KO 13:00
RDS Arena, Dublin

Live on BT Sport / beIN Sports

Referee Mathieu Raynal (France)
Touch Judge 1 Cyril Lafon (France)
Touch Judge 2 Thomas Dejean (France)
Fourth Official Paul Haycock (Ireland)
TMO Philippe Bonhoure (France)
Citing Commissioner Jeff Mark (Wales)

A. Head to Head

5 Played 5
2 Wins 2
2 Losses 2
1 Draws 1
111 Points 105

B. Recent Form

24 January 2015
Leinster 20 - 20 Wasps

19 October 2014
Leinster 25 - 20 Wasps

C. Teams

Leinster Rugby
Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Victor10
[tbc]

Wasps
Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Jenny_10
[tbc]


Last edited by George Carlin on Tue 10 Nov 2015, 5:58 am; edited 1 time in total
George Carlin
George Carlin
Admin
Admin

Posts : 15412
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : United Arab Emirates

Back to top Go down


Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by Heaf Sun 15 Nov 2015, 6:40 pm

Scottrf wrote:Honestly I wasn't sure why the commentary made such a deal. Clearly backwards, what law would disallow it?

I was puzzled by their comments too - couldn't work out what they were getting out - what's wrong with the ball bouncing backwards and didn't understand at all what BOD was saying about once the ball's grounded it's effectively a knock on even if it bounces backwards? Not sure which laws they think were broken?

Heaf

Posts : 5260
Join date : 2011-07-30
Location : Another planet

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by SecretFly Sun 15 Nov 2015, 8:54 pm

Didn't see the game but I had a feeling it was going to be a beating and a half.  Leinster have a new head coach, a new backs coach, and are just a few games into a new post-MOC era.  He left the team in a pretty impotent position, and it'll take a good bit longer to bounce back into any real effective shape. Miracles don't happen.

I'll have patience as long as the objective is right - we want to set ourselves up to play rugby the way Leinster have played in the past and it's doable... and the side must keep playing with that projection in mind despite results.  It'll take time.

Meanwhile, let's not overlook the fact that these damn English sides are damn good! Wink  Let's not beat about the bush here.  They're greedy and have the skillsets to make their greed work for them.  Congratulations to Wasps.  A thumping is a thumping.

SecretFly

Posts : 31800
Join date : 2011-12-12

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by Exiledinborders Mon 16 Nov 2015, 7:43 am

Heaf wrote:
Scottrf wrote:Honestly I wasn't sure why the commentary made such a deal. Clearly backwards, what law would disallow it?

I was puzzled by their comments too - couldn't work out what they were getting out - what's wrong with the ball bouncing backwards and didn't understand at all what BOD was saying about once the ball's grounded it's effectively a knock on even if it bounces backwards?  Not sure which laws they think were broken?

BOD seemed to be suggesting that if the ball hits the ground and then bounces back it is still a knock-on. Of course the position is that only if the ball is knocked or dropped forward is it knock-on. That does not apply in this case of course because the ball was never knocked or dropped in  a forward direction.


Last edited by Exiledinborders on Mon 16 Nov 2015, 12:39 pm; edited 1 time in total

Exiledinborders

Posts : 1645
Join date : 2012-03-18
Location : Scottish Borders

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by rodders Mon 16 Nov 2015, 9:25 am

Well chickens are coming home to roost a bit for the Irish provinces - poor coaches, mediocre recruitment, failing academies.

Leinster were dominated in every facet but in particular that shockingly poor backline.

A novice inside centre who can't tackle, paired with a utility winger, a fly half at fullback, a fullback on the wing - if they played for a week Leinster still wouldn't have scored  -no pace no power no intelligence.  

What a sad state of affairs for Ireland's flagship province and hope the Joe Schmidt knockers take notice.

Not sure who feels worse this morning - Leo Cullen or Rhona Rousey...

Only good news is Piutau coming to Ulster next year Smile

P.s. Last try was a knock on...
rodders
rodders
Moderator
Moderator

Posts : 25501
Join date : 2011-05-20
Age : 41

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by SecretFly Mon 16 Nov 2015, 11:59 am

rodders wrote:  

What a sad state of affairs for Ireland's flagship province and hope the Joe Schmidt knockers take notice.


Take notice of what? That 6Ns points wins are more convincing than getting to WC semi-finals? Wink

So I suppose that means Provinces should do now what Lord D has always suggested, concentrate on the only competition they are fit for (Pro12) and leave the European game to the silky boys from England and France.............. and New Zealand, Argentina, South Africa, Fiji, Samoa, Australia etc etc etc...


SecretFly

Posts : 31800
Join date : 2011-12-12

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by thebandwagonsociety Mon 16 Nov 2015, 1:36 pm

Well done to Wasps. By far the better side and well deserving of such a comprehensive victory.

Leinster got exactly what the deserved out of that game.

McCarthy was our best forward (and I don't even like him as a lock option).
Our front row was poor.
The lineout struggled.
Our kicking to touch and out of hand was atrocious.
We even put a restart short and out on the full.


We picked a backrow with 2 sixes and a no.8. Then decided to chose a no.8 as cover on the bench. Heaslip has gone off injured once my memory of euro fixtures, so the introduction of Conan for either SOB or Jordi was never going to make sense.
We have two outhalfs on the pitch (one at full back) and choose our 3rd outhalf on the bench? What scenario was Leo ever going to put Marsh onto the field?
Boss wasn't in the matchday squad (ok, I've found one positive from the game!).
The kid Luke McGrath was noticeably better than Reddan.
Sexton was poor.
Reid can't defend.

You put a winger at 13, an outhalf (who has more experience as a centre) at full back and a full back on the wing. Even taking the names alone and putting Zane at 15, Madigan at centre and McFadden on the wing would have been a more balanced choice.
Ringrose has been the form back this season. Only a kid but deserved to be in the centres ahead of Reid (put Ringrose to 13 and have Madigan at 12).

I know Isa only got injured in the morning of the match, but that doesn't excuse the selection errors. I'd have the fullback options running Rob, Isa, Zane, Dave, Kelleher, Madigan.

That wasps back 3 were through our defensive line at will.
Wasps back row was far more settled.
Quality players doing their jobs.
Not sure how they will get on against Toulon or Bath.

thebandwagonsociety

Posts : 2774
Join date : 2011-06-02

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by George Carlin Tue 17 Nov 2015, 6:16 am

George Carlin
George Carlin
Admin
Admin

Posts : 15412
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : United Arab Emirates

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by George Carlin Tue 17 Nov 2015, 11:46 am

George Carlin
George Carlin
Admin
Admin

Posts : 15412
Join date : 2011-06-23
Location : United Arab Emirates

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by yappysnap Tue 17 Nov 2015, 9:18 pm

Watching this game now.

Great to see Launchbury absolutely livid with his own player (no2) for giving away a silly pen at the breakdown. Runs over to the guy grabs him and gives him a lashing!

yappysnap

Posts : 11926
Join date : 2011-06-01
Age : 35
Location : Christchurch, NZ

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by mikey_dragon Tue 17 Nov 2015, 9:32 pm

Bit cheeky of Launchbury, and not very teamy if you ask me.

mikey_dragon

Posts : 14029
Join date : 2015-07-25

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by yappysnap Tue 17 Nov 2015, 9:40 pm

They're all adults, if you've just held out for 10+ phases without losing ground, only for a team mate to give away a silly pen when the refs shouted at him repeatedly then he should expect the other players to give him a bollocking. Can't all be hugs and pats on the bum.

yappysnap

Posts : 11926
Join date : 2011-06-01
Age : 35
Location : Christchurch, NZ

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by yappysnap Tue 17 Nov 2015, 9:54 pm

Is it Pooly that hates Simpson and doesn't rate him? I hope he watched this game because he's been claaaass. Good passing too.

yappysnap

Posts : 11926
Join date : 2011-06-01
Age : 35
Location : Christchurch, NZ

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by geoff999rugby Wed 18 Nov 2015, 10:38 am

If ever a game showed how important a back three were this was it .

A back three that has mediocre as its by word faced one that was dangerous at every turn - absolutely decisive

Also Reid will be nowhere the Irish team until he learns to tackle - it was almost like watching I. Humph

geoff999rugby

Posts : 5256
Join date : 2012-01-19

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by Rory_Gallagher Wed 18 Nov 2015, 11:28 am

Very disappointing though as he seems to have it all in terms of attacking prowess.

Rory_Gallagher

Posts : 11324
Join date : 2011-09-18
Age : 30
Location : Belfast

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by BamBam Wed 18 Nov 2015, 12:01 pm

yappysnap wrote:They're all adults, if you've just held out for 10+ phases without losing ground, only for a team mate to give away a silly pen when the refs shouted at him repeatedly then he should expect the other players to give him a bollocking. Can't all be hugs and pats on the bum.

Yeah, I thought it was good to see a bit of fire from Launchbury, he's been a bit too nice so far given he's wearing Jonno and Grewcock's old shirt


BamBam

Posts : 17124
Join date : 2011-03-17
Age : 33

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by asoreleftshoulder Wed 18 Nov 2015, 2:44 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:If ever a game showed how important a back three were this was it .

A back three that has mediocre as its by word faced one that was dangerous at every turn - absolutely decisive

Also Reid will be nowhere the Irish team until he learns to tackle - it was almost like watching I. Humph

You could have saved yourself some typing by just finishing there.

Have to say while the rsult and performance were incredibly disappointing I'm not panicking yet.Cullen has the team playing good attacking rugby in the league and I'll wait til the end of the season when he's had time to get the returning internationals following his plan before I'll judge him.

This was a pretty major setback but up to now things have been hugely positive,if we're still performing like this after Christmas then I'll start to worry.Cullen is on a steep learning curve,I expect there will be more bumps in the road but if he learns from them and the team progresses then things aren't too bad.

asoreleftshoulder

Posts : 3945
Join date : 2011-05-15
Location : Meath,Ireland.

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by BigTrevsbigmac Fri 20 Nov 2015, 12:26 pm

yappysnap wrote:Is it Pooly that hates Simpson and doesn't rate him? I hope he watched this game because he's been claaaass. Good passing too.


BigTrevsbigmac

Posts : 3333
Join date : 2011-05-15

Back to top Go down

Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November - Page 2 Empty Re: Champions Cup Pool 5: Leinster Rugby v Wasps, 15 November

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 2 Previous  1, 2

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum