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Post by LondonTiger Tue 01 Dec 2015, 1:06 pm

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Table

Team
Played
--Won--
-Drawn-
---BP---
Points
Saracens
5
5
0
2
22
Exeter
5
4
0
3
19
Leicester
5
4
0
0
16
Harlequins
5
3
0
3
15
Wasps
5
3
0
2
14
Northampton
5
2
0
4
12
Sale Sharks
5
2
1
2
12
Bath
5
2
0
2
10
Worcester
5
2
0
2
10
Gloucester
5
2
0
1
9
Newcastle
5
0
1
0
2
London Irish
5
0
0
0
0
Fixtures:


Fri 4th Dec

19:45 Gloucester Rugby  v   Sale Sharks BT Sport
Both sides will not have been happy with their performances last week in games that failed to rise above the awful conditions. Gloucester's experiment of Twelvetrees at 10 and hook at 12 failed rather conspicuously as neither managed to add any control. Gloucester will be hoping for dry conditions in which their quick backs are more likely to thrive. Not for the first time this season, Danny Cipriani was unsuccessful with a "win-the-game" kick. After his break during the Challenge Cup matches he looked rusty, and with the court appearance hanging over him he will need to cast away all extraneous emotions and perform if Sale are to sneak anything from this game. Gloucester should win and overtake their visitors in the table, but it is hard to see either team threatening the top half of the table.


Sat 5th Dec

15:00 Harlequins  v   London Irish
Having secured a TBP at Sandy Park, Quins will be bemoaning their ill-discipline (plus attempts to run the clock down at the end of the first half) that allowed Exeter to sneak the win. Still, if you had offered them 2 points before they started their journey west they would probably have bitten your hand off. London Irish are the only team still pointless in the table, but can keep tyheir hopes up by looking at just how hard their opening fixtures have been. all five of their opponents so far finished in the top half of the table last season, and all bar Bath are their again. The trip to the Stoop continues the trend of playing form teams. Certainly Irish have no being playing as poorly as the table would suggest and, despite Quins being clear favourites, they are capable of getting something from this game.

15:00 Worcester Warriors  v   Leicester Tigers
Along with visitors Bath, Leicester did well to rise above the conditions last week and produce a game full of ambition and running - but perhaps not finishing. With Bell and Youngs both kicking far too long with the wind behind, Bath dominated territory and possession in the first half. However tigers showed real grit to hold them at bay, repeated this when down to 14 men in the second half and pulled away at the end. While the influence of Mauger can be seen in how Tigers are trying to play, the physicality with which tigers hit every tackle, ruck and maul was quintessential Cockers. They will need all that grit and fire for the visit to Sixways to face a Worcester side that are more than the sum of their parts. Wuss will be disappointed and even shocked by the score line last week. They did not play as poorly as a casual look at the score would suggest. DOC needs to avoid winding the ref up though. There were a number of 50/50 calls that went the Sarries way after some rather pointless in the refs face behaviour.


15:15 Bath Rugby  v   Northampton Saints BT Sport
The top two in last years regular season have struggled for form and consistency in the league so far, both with just two wins from five games. It is hard to decide who will be more confident going into this match. Bath played some excellent rugby in absolutely dire conditions at the weekend, but allowed Leicester's physicality to seize the day. Saints in conditions almost as bad featured in perhaps the worst match of the season - but dominated their opponent up front. Bath struggled at the lineout last week, but went toe-to-toe  at scrum time with the Leicester 8, almost gaining parity. they will need to raise their game further though for the visit of Saints beast of a scrum. I fell thi smatch could be decided by the conditions. If dry and still Bath should be able to avoid arm wrestle and seize the win. Wet and heavy and Saints abrasiveness and grunbt should dominate. Both sides will not wish to lose and slide down the table, but both sides will have their eyes on potentially tricky European matches.

17:30 Wasps  v   Exeter Chiefs BT Sport
Two teams that love to run the ball. Also two teams that have shown admirable defence this season at times, Wasps most notably in Europe, Chiefs for Leicester's visit. I am fascinated to see how this match will pan out. On paper Wasps look stronger, but Exeter have continued to make a mockery of such assertions. Battle of the back rows could be seismic.


Sun 6th Dec

15:00 Newcastle Falcons  v   Saracens BT Sport
It will be a shock if Saracens fail to win this game. Falcons should not be written off though. With one eye on Europe the defending champions will continue to rotate their players. Falcons came close to beating Sarries last season in Barnet with an all action attacking game - same again could make things interesting - but they have to be precise. Lose possession when in attack and they will see just how precisely Sarries counter attack.

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Post by doctor_grey Fri 04 Dec 2015, 10:44 pm

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Is Hartley back yet, I was sort of expecting him to bench at least this week.

Lawes seems to be taking a long time for what was initially reported as a niggle
Saints are missing 6 regular starters in the pack as well as starting Fotuali’i and Hanrahan as the halfbacks. So will be a big test for Saints. They are treating their injuries, even the less severe injuries, very carefully. Hopefully they can keep it close and edge it at the end.

Next week it would not be a surprise to see Hartley and Wood, with Corbs on the bench. Also I would expect to see Victor Matfield starting. Not too bad. Lawes would be more doubtful.

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Post by nathan Fri 04 Dec 2015, 10:45 pm

have to disagree, Glous players arms were up all the time.

You could tell they were trying to wind up the sale players too by pushing them around after the whistle had gone.

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Post by Heaf Sat 05 Dec 2015, 12:30 am

nathan wrote:
Heaf wrote:I thought it was just me that spotted that obvious obstruction by Sale before AH mentioned it ...
i don't get how it was though, he wasn't moving at all. i think the glous players went looking for it - they were trying to play the ref all evening.

Early in the move you could see the Sale player see which direction Cips was coming from and the Glaws player starting to move into the gap when the Sale player moved forwards into his path and grabbed him - loosely admitted but enough to make the Glaws player go around him and miss the tackle - it was pretty obvious he knew what he was doing IMO.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 9:52 am

nathan wrote:have to disagree, Glous players arms were up all the time.

You could tell they were trying to wind up the sale players too by pushing them around after the whistle had gone.

As I said, just a matter of opinion. I was infuriated by Stringer and Braid mostly - doing their darnest to wind up the Gloucester players, holding on to the ball for longer than they needed to, sly comments and pushes - while at the same time moaning at the ref constantly.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 9:58 am

I admire and respect Steve Diamond - but he is a hard man to like. The Sale pack seem to play in his image, always pushing the boundaries.

I went into the game not bothered who would win but from the first lineout when Taylor refused to stand where told, yapped at the AR and then threw straight to his own man without punishment my heckles were up.

I then felt that for 20 minutes JP was completely one-sided in his decisons thus I started to favour Glaws. this may have blinded me then to their infractions, still only noticing the Stringer/Braid gamesmanship - but I did start neutral.

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 1:29 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
nathan wrote:have to disagree, Glous players arms were up all the time.

You could tell they were trying to wind up the sale players too by pushing them around after the whistle had gone.

As I said, just a matter of opinion. I was infuriated by Stringer and Braid mostly - doing their darnest to wind up the Gloucester players, holding on to the ball for longer than they needed to, sly comments and pushes - while at the same time moaning at the ref constantly.
I thought the opposite such as when hook took both braid and stringer out of the ball and 36 had a plenty of comments of his own.

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:21 pm

Not the greater start for the tigers

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:25 pm

Our game is very much like last weeks.  23 minutes in and if we've had the ball for more than about 5 minutes of that I would be surprised.  Defending well, but we need some possession!
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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:30 pm

17-0 to wuss :s

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:33 pm

The Worcester Tigers scoreline is a bit of a shocker. I was impressed with Worcester when we played them, they certainly look organised and can counter.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:37 pm

Quins 10 Irish 0.  Six minutes to go until half time.  It's been pretty much 1 way traffic so far.  We've done well to keep them down to 10!
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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:41 pm

Wuss have a man in the bin, hopefully tigers get there arses in gear

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:45 pm

17 - 7, getting there

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Post by Ozzy3213 Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:52 pm

10-0 to Quins at the break.  I reckon they've had about 80% possession.
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Post by doctor_grey Sat 05 Dec 2015, 3:57 pm

Two points.  

BeIN Sports claim they televise Rugby in America.  but this seaosn they show almost nothing.  nothing today and almost nothing live.  I can't watch my Saints live and there are no other matches televised either.  This stinks to the high heavens.  All they show is effing soccer, which to me is like watching Hemorrhoids‎ form.  By the way, the Pro12 has fewer matches on in America this year than the Premiership.  

My American mates are going gaga because the USA team just beat NZ in the Dubai 7s for the second day in a row.  I know it is only 7s, but it does show the Americans are coming on.  England are playing Fiji in the final now.  Why is that on TV and not proper Premiership Rugby XVs?  Buggeration! England currently up 7-0 in the first half.

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:02 pm

Doc, saints finishing is still as bad but forwards going well. Scrum well on top

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Post by Cumbrian Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:12 pm

Bath frontrowers not doing their England chances any favours.
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:13 pm

Bath front row are being ripped new ones at the moment. Ethan Waller is showing up well, Saints are well blessed with the Waller family.

Saints have the wind 2nd half, they will just pin Bath back and dominate from the set piece
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Post by TJ Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:14 pm

I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened? Am I a jinx?

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:17 pm

For your info Doc, 5-1 scrum penalties to Saints, Wilson on as Thomas yellow carded for repeated infringements at the scrum. Auterac lucky not to have joined in the times he has turned inside.
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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:19 pm

nathan wrote:17 - 7, getting there

DOC red card for two yellows

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:39 pm

20-15 to Worcester with 11 minutes left.

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:40 pm

Eek, hopefully we can squeeze any other try

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:43 pm

20-22 Wuss play last 8 minutes with 13

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:43 pm

Tigers have a penalty try and Worcester are down to 13 men for the last seven minutes. Leicester lead 20-22

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:45 pm

Penalty to Worcester and Heathcoate is going for the posts from far out, and against the wind.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:46 pm

Wuss have penalty 5m from touch. To improve angle takes it back to about 25m out. Comes up 10m short of posts -- wind that strng

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:47 pm

Commentator says he got a good contact but the wind caught it, and it went nowhere near. 4 minutes left.

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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:48 pm

Quins get the try bonus point and Visser a hatrick as they lead 38-0 with a couple of mins to go. Tries to Care and Clifford too.

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:51 pm

20-29

TBP

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Post by bedfordwelsh Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:51 pm

Bath got away with that one, great finish though.
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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:52 pm

Irish get a try to make it 39-7 with a minute left

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Post by LondonTiger Sat 05 Dec 2015, 4:53 pm

Well we reallu seemed to panic at times, but wind was the real game changer

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:07 pm

Realistically, we needed the TBP in this fixture to keep up momentum and challenge for top 4 later in season. How was our execution, guys? And commiserations Pete, thought it would be a bit closer.

For matches where we needed tries more than defence, Visser is a fantastic purchase, what's that, 6 tries in 5 matches?!
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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:08 pm

Roko showed with that try why wingers shouldn't always kick in a 1on1 position.

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Post by TJ Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:10 pm

TJ wrote:I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened?  Am I a jinx?

Much more entertaining second half. Bath with all the attacking but seem to be Edinburgh in disguise ( I am an Edinburgh fan)with the amount of knock ons with the line at their mercy. Ford had an absolute mare - so why did Preistland come on at 12 with only 8 mins to go? Ford cost Bath the game.

Both scrums playing for penalties - not one prop drove straight all game !

Still - I enjoyed the game.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:11 pm

That's a terrible result for Irish, hopefully we can get something tomorrow but I'm not holding my breath.

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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:14 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Realistically, we needed the TBP in this fixture to keep up momentum and challenge for top 4 later in season. How was our execution, guys? And commiserations Pete, thought it would be a bit closer.

For matches where we needed tries more than defence, Visser is a fantastic purchase, what's that, 6 tries in 5 matches?!

Agreed, I really thought it would be a lot closer, especially with the wind. Seems like Irish's tackling tired them out in ref first half and we could capitalise in the second. Got to wonder what their mindset is like with the run of losses and lack of points too.

Great for Quins, this is historically coming up to the worst time of year for us, so as many points as possible is great. Visser has been a mighty purchase. Roberts will have to go some to match his contribution.

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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:15 pm

TJ wrote:
TJ wrote:I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened?  Am I a jinx?

Much more entertaining second half.  Bath with all the attacking but seem to be Edinburgh in disguise ( I am an Edinburgh fan)with the amount of knock ons with the line at their mercy.  Ford had an absolute mare - so why did Preistland come on at 12 with only 8 mins to go?  Ford cost Bath the game.

Both scrums playing for penalties - not one prop drove straight all game !

Still - I enjoyed the game.

Any game involving Saints is liable to be a bore fest. Out side of the scrum they're very predictable. Very boring 1 our runners and kicking to pressure the lineouts.

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:16 pm

Shocked we managed to get a tbp in that game, the start was awful

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Post by nathan Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:17 pm

Yeah saints seem to gave taken over from tigers boring play last season

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:21 pm

I think Roberts, based on his style and what he brings, will hugely help us over the hard couple of months coming up, as will having our best English players in better form than much of last year, having a functional second row! (I've been v impressed by Horwill and impressed and surprised by Twomey and Matthews has been good when he's had a chance this season), better depth and most importantly of all, a rejuvenated Nev. I am very optimistic that this is more of a 2012 than a 2015 season
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Post by yappysnap Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:23 pm

Say it quietly but I agree

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:23 pm

yappysnap wrote:
TJ wrote:
TJ wrote:I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened?  Am I a jinx?

Much more entertaining second half.  Bath with all the attacking but seem to be Edinburgh in disguise ( I am an Edinburgh fan)with the amount of knock ons with the line at their mercy.  Ford had an absolute mare - so why did Preistland come on at 12 with only 8 mins to go?  Ford cost Bath the game.

Both scrums playing for penalties - not one prop drove straight all game !

Still - I enjoyed the game.

Any game involving Saints is liable to be a bore fest. Out side of the scrum they're very predictable. Very boring 1 our runners and kicking to pressure the lineouts.

Which is weird with King involved, I rated him highly at ASM!
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Post by TJ Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:35 pm

yappysnap wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Realistically, we needed the TBP in this fixture to keep up momentum and challenge for top 4 later in season. How was our execution, guys? And commiserations Pete, thought it would be a bit closer.

For matches where we needed tries more than defence, Visser is a fantastic purchase, what's that, 6 tries in 5 matches?!

Agreed, I really thought it would be a lot closer, especially with the wind. Seems like Irish's tackling tired them out in ref first half and we could capitalise in the second. Got to wonder what their mindset is like with the run of losses and lack of points too.

Great for Quins, this is historically coming up to the worst time of year for us, so as many points as possible is great. Visser has been a mighty purchase. Roberts will have to go some to match his contribution.

A great poacher / try scorer but for a big man useless in defense. He seemed to have got stale and was in and out of the Edinburgh team so I hope he is reinvigorated down south

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Post by TJ Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:36 pm

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TJ wrote:I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened?  Am I a jinx?

Much more entertaining second half.  Bath with all the attacking but seem to be Edinburgh in disguise ( I am an Edinburgh fan)with the amount of knock ons with the line at their mercy.  Ford had an absolute mare - so why did Preistland come on at 12 with only 8 mins to go?  Ford cost Bath the game.

Both scrums playing for penalties - not one prop drove straight all game !

Still - I enjoyed the game.

Any game involving Saints is liable to be a bore fest. Out side of the scrum they're very predictable. Very boring 1 our runners and kicking to pressure the lineouts.

Hmmmmmmmmm - who should I be watching in the ap then? Exeter? I was born in the west country ;-)

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:40 pm

Wasps have been thee most entertaining team this season

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Post by ChequeredJersey Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:42 pm

TJ wrote:
yappysnap wrote:
TJ wrote:
TJ wrote:I am watching Saints / Bath looking for some entertaining rugby - what has happened?  Am I a jinx?

Much more entertaining second half.  Bath with all the attacking but seem to be Edinburgh in disguise ( I am an Edinburgh fan)with the amount of knock ons with the line at their mercy.  Ford had an absolute mare - so why did Preistland come on at 12 with only 8 mins to go?  Ford cost Bath the game.

Both scrums playing for penalties - not one prop drove straight all game !

Still - I enjoyed the game.

Any game involving Saints is liable to be a bore fest. Out side of the scrum they're very predictable. Very boring 1 our runners and kicking to pressure the lineouts.

Hmmmmmmmmm - who should I be watching in the ap then?  Exeter?  I was born in the west country ;-)

In my opinion? Quins, Exeter, Wasps. Though often Tigers are involved in great games
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Post by Hood83 Sat 05 Dec 2015, 5:52 pm

So glad Malinger wasn't appointed England coach. Saints can scrum, maul and defend. That's it. Awful to watch.

Have to say that the only teams that have impressed me so far have been Quins, Exeter and Wasps. Perhaps Sarries as well. Even then I'm not sure which of those I'd say look fantastically coached. Maybe Exeter? Dai Young has done a great job so far at Wasps but I'm not sure if that's more in his building a good group of coaches and recruiting players well, rather than his own coaching. I think he's dropped the ball though in this game, back row doesn't look good enough for me.

I wonder what people make of the Bath coaches. Still not sure about Mike Ford.

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Post by TJ Sat 05 Dec 2015, 6:04 pm

Mike ford made a glaring error tonight IMO. George Ford was clearly having a nightmare - shovelling on Poopie under pressure losing territory in the process and gifting Saints a try they hardly looked like getting then kicked a restart out on the full so he brought Preistland on at 12 taking off a guy who was doing OK and cleared up Fords mistakes a couple of times. Preistland should have been on for Ford with 20+ mins to go

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